JVC RS 45 / Sony HW30 / BenQ W7000 / Epson 5010 mini-shootout - Page 107

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I have used a SI Gamma 4K screen and a Carada CW screen. Both are neutral screens. Not as good as the Stewart ST100 but neutral none the less. I had dual screens and used the HP just for 3D. Then, one day I decided to watch Star Wars and I use the HP screen. I switched back and forth with my SI screen and the HP screen. Been using the HP screen ever since.

I'm curious how the BD zero edge 1.4 screen will perform with the RS45?. Thinking of getting a 120" 2:35 model. That new back lighting for the screens looks pretty cool as well!

I have a 100" fixed 1.4 gain Black Diamond and its awesome... You'd love it. Like a plasma screen.

Thanks jslaw for the insight! I'm moving in a few months, hopefully Santa Claus will be good to me this year! I need to make sure whatever place I get has the wall space. If not I'll just go with a smaller screen.

"Yes without any doubt. The Acer H9500BD 3D is clean without ghostîng but the WOW this is 3D ! Effect is much better on the new Sony." Kraine has apparently bought the new Sony HW50ES so he's put his money where his mouth is. That says something.

I'm really looking forward to Zombie's comments -- especially concerning 3D on this projector. My Epson 6010 may be moved to my second HT. My kids don't mind since they keep inheriting some pretty good equipment as I "upgrade".
Edited by Deja Vu - 10/14/12 at 8:41am

Think you need another edit:D

Not a big fan of Kraines reviews. Way too light on details and mostly reads like a spec sheet with a casual one line reference to performance. But it would be impressive if he chose the Sony over the JVC. I believe he is one of the only people to have compared both projectors at this point? While I can't get much out of his reviews, has he posted a direct comparison between the Sony and JVC?

You're right! I got a little ahead of myself. Maybe in a few months I'll own an Epson 6020 (have a 6010 now) and hopefully, if I do, I won't be dumping it for the Sony. I'll be interested in what you end up with for this coming year. I'm still enjoying the 6010 you recommended.

I have someone who wants to buy the Epson from me right now and I'd only lose 500.00. I think I may try the Sony 50es next. I'm hoping to have the Sony next week. I don't really need to sell the Epson, as I do like it, but.......I gotta buy something new I'll do a good 3D comparison and if it sucks, I'll post that too, but it seems from the positive feedback that it should be great.

If I change my mind I may also give the JVC a shot.

Also, I'll be sure to compare darbee +RC, and every combination inbetween.

Yeah its freezing,eh. I ordered the Sony and should be here soon. I paid extra to get the express dog sled delivery service . I could have got the first X75, but I can't justify the cost vs. the risk of not knowing how it performs. I got burnt 2 years in a row with JVC.

Burnt how, bad lamps?
I got a replacement lamp for free when mine started to DIM, but I do still question the long-term viability of the JVC for someone that puts as many hours on the projector as I do (over 1000 per year).

Funny, I've always experienced the opposite. My previous projectors with DI seemed better (or at least equal) at very dark scenes than my JVC. It's when you had a mixed scene that the JVC really excelled. When there is no light on the screen the iris is able to really clamp shut dropping black levels a ton, but falls short when opening up for mixed scenes.

DI's have also come a long ways over the years. The VW95 is a great example of how a well implemented DI can really compete with JVC head to head.

I wasn't stating the 95 was superior, just that it could compete. I would almost bet that unless you did a side by side A/B comparison you'd be hard pressed to really pick out a "clear" winner. Black levels are getting really close now a days, unlike the runaways in days past.

You'd know best of course with your extensive hands on experience with different models.

I'm really rooting for the JVC. There really aren't too many projectors on the market right now to choose between IMO. For my viewing it's really a competition between JVC and Sony, and the Sony won't work in my room (lens throw). So JVC better step up this time around.

Well at just over a foot away from the screen, you might need to wait for e shift 3.

I wish I had the opportunity to compare the hp to something like the brilliant white from carada.


I still have not decided on my screen for my rs46. Never thought one of the hardest decision would be the screen

Zombie has to run a JVC in those dark scenes because of the HP. For me on the carada screen, the Epson and JVC were close in blacks, but if the scene was mixed content, the brighter areas were brighter on the JVC. If I ran the JVC at -13, I would get like 200 lumens in 2D, but the black would be far superior to the Epson at that point.

JVC ended up giving me a refund for the X70. Had one lamp go, and then the power supply went. I never had so many problems with JVC projectors that even my dealer was started to think it was impossible and that it was something in my setup that was causing the issue. I guess we will see how it goes this year....

The reason I went with the Sony 50es for now is:

3D brightness. Brightest 3D projector in this category.
Sony RC
Sony motionflow and DFI (which I really like)
Quiet iris
unobtrusive iris
2D brightness
motion flow and iris in 3D (new epson should have these features also)
Quite in high lamp mode

These are things that should be better then the Epson 5010. The Epson 5020 may equal brightness in 3D and should have FI and Iris available in 3D also, but the epson will still have average best mode brightness, noisy iris, slightly visible iris, and much louder in high lamp mode (especially ceiling mounted) and the epson super res sucks balls. Not sure if the darbee plus epson would equal Sony RC. Also, SDE should be much less with the Sony.

The Epson will sell for substaintally less and will most likely be the best value projector this year also.

So many choices and I am getting impatient .

Patience is a virtue! Once you get the JVC you'll understand why some of us love it for sci-fi movies. Anyone telling you 6000:1 and 20,000:1 native look close. Needs to have their head and eyes examined.
The tell tell signs will be in scenes with candles, lamps or anything where light emits from dark surroundings. On the JVC's those objects burn bright! On the same scene with a projector using an Iris, the same objects are slightly subdued or dim by comparison. Those scenes on the JVC have a 2 dimensional look instead of looking flat.

Well I am sticking with the JVC for sure.

My dilemma is screen now. I already preordered the JVC an have no intent on changing.

Email the manufacturers & request samples. Da-Lite samples are typically ~7". If you want a larger size, eg. 12", let 'em know.

I believe you'd be very happy with the HP material as long as you can mount the pj close to eye level. Samples should tell the tale...

I asked over on the Sony thread about the iris on the 50 being active in 3D and was told that it was not. You might want to double check whether the iris is actually active in 3D. Here's the response --

"If you ask me, it dosnt, I watch direct into the lens for a hole minut, and it didnt move at all, and I could not activate it with the remote with 3D signal on.
On the other hand, I didnt miss it.

Maybe Rich can confirm?

Dj"
Edited by Deja Vu - 10/16/12 at 7:43am

The Epson has a little less calibrated lumens than the JVC and the HP screen raises both black and white levels.
A placebo once cured an entire race of people of an imaginary disease :P

People that have white ceilings or carpet that isn't dark enough and have their PJ's mounted close can lose contrast and even a little black level from reflection backwash with the HP screen (if it is enough), but this isn't the best way to set it up. Contrarily, people with white walls but dark carpet and ceilings will generally get an improvement of at least ANSI contrast with the HP screen and possibly a little Native On/Off if the reflecting light back onto the screen was uneven. Of course the previous example assumes the center of the lens is closer to the floor or carpet than it is to the edge of the walls (which is usually the case with an HP setup). This is because the HP screen is redirecting light towards the middle rather than the edges, and the reflection isn't perfectly even.
Edited by coderguy - 10/16/12 at 8:32am