JVC RS 45 / Sony HW30 / BenQ W7000 / Epson 5010 mini-shootout - Page 12

Is the Sony dithering the image to reduce the ghosting?
Are sophisticated signal processing algorithms being applied which increases noise and reduce the resolution but "washes-away" ghosting?
Are they taking a running average over multiple frames?
Hmmm... This my guess and explains all the symptoms.
Of course all this is proprietary so don't expect an answer...

Hi, I've been very interested in the new w7000 projector since I heard of it and I placed an order with Mark at AVS as soon as he announced he was taking pre-orders. I should say first of all that I have taken a lot of Mark's time asking questions and he's been very patient with me. Well today he called me and he told me to just hold off on the BENQ for right now until they get the software upgraded on the new projectors.I just have to say that in this day and age of crappy service, and saleman who just try and push you into a purchase, dealing with Mark has been great. I really aapreciate the service that I have gotten so far and I plan on being an AVS customer soon. Sam Zeoli.

Dust blobs on Epson are not a problem, because if you get one you send it in and they will fix it. Even after the warranty expires they will still fix it, you might have to pay shipping and a tiny fee after warranty expires, but that's about it.

I never will buy LCD again because of dust blobs. I had the 8100 and 8500 and got tired of returning to get fixed. The reason I went to JVC and Sony. When I get back in the fp game, I will still stay away from Epson.

I hear you, but you kept getting them over and over again, weird?
Do you have pets or something. After the second time it happened, I would have rigged a big anti-dust system near the projector, they are not that expensive.

Most projectors have some issue, JVC is the lamps, LCD is dust blobs, more importantly is if the vendor stands behind the product, and Epson's customer service is said to be very good.

The 8100 had one. Got it fixed and sold it. The 8500 had two different dust blobs. Sold it after the second. No pets and smoke free. I did have HP screen with projector sitting on a shelf about 6" over my head. I figure my sitting area was too close to the fp. Maybe stirring dust. I liked the HP too much to ceiling mount and change screens so I went with other technology.

Definitely don't lump all LCDs in the same bucket, I have a 5+ year old Sanyo PLV-Z5 LCD projector, cat in house, no special air cleaning, never a dust blob!

I just found out the Epson's are compatable with the sony playstation 3d glasses and panasonic's. I ordered one pair of the PS glasses and since my brother has the new Panasonic projector he is lending me a pair when we go see the new mission impossible movie tonight.

I will test out the scenes zombie requested this weekend if I get a chance.

I've had the 1080UB, 6700UB, 8700UB Epsons and never had a dust blob although in fairness I didn't keep any of them that long.

My other brother on the other hand has an 8350 and he has already been through 2 replacements bulbs and his projector looks brand new as if he just took it out of the box. A little trick I always did with my other Epsons was I would dust it off real fast and blow out the fans before turning it on in the event dust was sitting on top the unit and wouldn't get sucked in on start-up.

Sony HW30 owners must be pretty happy with it. Trying to find a good used one is mighty hard.

Actually I bought the first affordable 400 lumen hemispherical LED light projector:
http://www.amazon.com/EarthLED-ZetaL.../dp/B004IR98WC

Update: For some reason it sold out at $9.95. Go figure!

Totally newbie comments here....but I just demo'd the 6010 at my local HT store and all I can say is WOW! I've made my choice and it will be the 6010.

This thing is bright as hell (I almost thought I was looking at a 100 inch plasma screen on the wall!...seriously even my wife was amazed) and killer 3D!, also super bright and no ghosting that I could see on any Captain America scenes. Even with the bright ambient lighting of the store it rocked - approx 14x16 room with a double glass door on the side near the screen. I was quite excited about the performance with ambient lighting because my room not a dedicated theater, more of an entertainment room, and my wife likes to have the fireplace going sometimes during a movie, so this performance means a lot to me.

I had demo'd the RS45 and HW30 at other stores, albeit not at the same time, but to these virgin eyes the 6010 really set itself apart, and made an huge first impression. So critical analysis aside, I really liked what I saw....yea the fan is somewhat noticeable in normal mode, and only on quiet dialog scenes (still, what was Epson thinking!!!!), however 98% of my viewing will be in 2d and the delta in Eco mode is worth the silent fan (absolutely dead silent in eco mode) and when I do watch a 3D flick I can deal with it (actually my wife didn't hear a thing till I told the sales guy to turn down the volume all the way and switch between modes).

I don't know much about interpolation or response times but I looked at scenes that were power packed action and I saw no jitter or motion blur. Colors and contrast were excellent, not over saturated and bright levels were not clipped. Skin tones looked natural and soft, yet sharp and detailed. I am a pro photographer so one thing I can report with authority is brightness levels and color balance - I could not see a need to have this projector calibrated but I guess that will mean more once I get in installed at my home.

I wanted to see a real dark produced flick such a Potter or Underworld movie but we were short on time...there were some dark scenes on CA that I was quite impressed with and, of all the things I was most concerned with after reading the comparisons here, I could not see any issues at dark levels. Transitions from bright to dark areas were very good IMO. I saw no pixelization.

Anyway as I said I am not a videophile, however I am very sure this will be an excellent first project for my needs and room size. I will report first light but first I need to get the drywall finished and flooring down!

Thx all for the posts and analysis - first rate!

Chris Hetlage
http://imagingthecosmos.com

I think the 6010 is the same as the 5010 except warranty and some minor other differences, right?

Almost all these projectors have quite a bit louder fans in lamp high modes, not really something you can get around. Some are a little quieter than others.

Thx coderguy...correct, it also includes a mount, 2 pair of 3D glasses, a 3 year warranty and THX certification

And anamorphic lens support, I believe.

and ISF calibration controls - not sure what 'controls' are included....

sweet...one of my many compulsive addictions.

Good for him/Mark. I dug deep and found I was not happy with BenQ support. I would not buy that unit at half price based on my conversation with their tech support. They better get their act together and soon. They need to stand behind their products a lot better than they do. At the present time I cannot recommend the W7000 to anyone based solely on reported problems and lack of support to recognize them. We won't even touch on their stubborn refusal to allow users to make easy FW upgrades. So yeah, I say avoid this unit right now.

Almost no vendor allows firmware upgrades. I know the argument keeps going back to BUT there are bugs, I'm just saying they are no different than everyone else. There are a couple MFR's you can do back-door firmware upgrades, but only a couple that I know of. Optoma and someone else (forgot who).

The only thing I concern myself with for technical support is the warranty process, as long as they do not refuse warranties, then it's fine. I'm not going to email them expecting precise answers. It's also pretty normal to train the tech support guys to always say we are not aware of issues. It's just a different mindset of how you do business, one school of thought says don't ever admit to issues because I'm guessing it could create liability if there were ever a class-action on a product, and some think it hurts sales when they admit to problems. Personally I think the answer should simply be not to overly discuss specific problems, but to just re-affirm that they will have an update that should address most peoples concerns. If there is a deal-stopping problem, then I think they should shelf the product and get the problem fixed, even if it means releasing the product a tad late.

They do need to fix the bugs, but that's another story, they will be forced to fix them IMHO.

JVC on bottom, Epson, then the BenQ W7000. The JVC is heavier and bigger than both combined.

Let the games begin

If it were me I'd check with someone who knows the product and then post complete and accurate information.
One could kill two birds with one stone at their local dealer by auditioning it too, then and report what they thought.
But that's just me. Sorry but I just saw Limitless!

Just make sure you compare stuff that favors each projector to see their strengths and weaknesses, and then let us know how the Epson holds up in black levels (although I pretty much can guess since I've setup an 8700ub and owned an 8500ub).

IMHO, the Epson does do very good in certain types of scenes with black levels, but mostly it's when there isn't really bright light in the middle of black areas, because on the 8700ub although the IRIS wasn't that visible, it did crush the white peaks a bit and was too aggressive IMHO in some modes, but it did work better than most. I'd say between the Epson and Sony IRIS's, the Epson is more aggressive at times, but the Sony is less visible and quieter. Let us know if these differences still apply (I know you don't have the Sony anymore, but I think you had it).

I bet you will find the JVC still easily beats the Epson in certain scenes if you compare the right content (grab Tree of Life bluray from Redbox).

Did Jason get the RS55? I thought I read he got it this past week but have not seen anything posted about his observations.

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WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE?

All kidding aside, its a shame you don't have the Sony to compare as well, That's the projector I'm about to pull the trigger on.

I had the HW30 several months ago.



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Correct. My Sanyo Z2000 has had zero blobs in 3+ years. It has a dust removal system too, but Ive never needed it!

If anyone could get a reading on the lag for the 45 with CMD mode 3/4 enabled I would be curious to see how much this adds.

Thanks!