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post #871 of 3271
1/16/12 at 2:46pm
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Its not posted yet... Tell him to hurry the hell up... J/K
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post #872 of 3271
1/16/12 at 9:01pm
Feel free to decline to answer, Jason, but I'm curious about something. If you had to choose just one projector to live with for a year, which of the ones you've reviewed would you pick? Not asking for a recommendation - we're all different. Just curious about what your preference would be, and why?

Since I know such a decision would cause you untold grief, we'll call this "Jason's Choice."
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post #873 of 3271
1/17/12 at 6:56am
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Feel free to decline to answer, Jason, but I'm curious about something. If you had to choose just one projector to live with for a year, which of the ones you've reviewed would you pick? Not asking for a recommendation - we're all different. Just curious about what your preference would be, and why?

Since I know such a decision would cause you untold grief, we'll call this "Jason's Choice."

Jason's choice = the H5360 720p 3D Acer of course!

No disappointments because you expect so little and get so much. I'm having such a hard time rationalizing a new purchase, especially because I know next year's projectors will be really good -- I'll bet the Epson will have an active DI and FI in 3D mode. I bought a pair of Sony PS3 3D glasses (on sale) in anticipation of buying the Epson and then watched Deathly Hallows Part II on the Acer and it looked amazing. It looks better in 3D on the Acer than anything I've seen in 2D on my Epson 9500 or my Sony G90 (just gave it to a friend).
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post #874 of 3271
1/17/12 at 7:26am
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Its not posted yet... Tell him to hurry the hell up... J/K

Here is the link for the 5010. The W7000 should be up in the next couple of days. That's whats being said on the Benq w7000 forum.

http://www.displaycalibrationonline...._epson5010.asp
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post #875 of 3271
1/17/12 at 8:06am
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

Feel free to decline to answer, Jason, but I'm curious about something. If you had to choose just one projector to live with for a year, which of the ones you've reviewed would you pick? Not asking for a recommendation - we're all different. Just curious about what your preference would be, and why?

Since I know such a decision would cause you untold grief, we'll call this "Jason's Choice."

If I were forced to pick one, I might go with the 5010. I like the torch mode in 2D and it's nice to be able to watch tv with a room full of lights. The brightness in 3D has set a new standard for me to be able to see 3D as bright as most people watch 2D on a low gain screen. My screen is a bit bigger than most and I welcome every last one of those 1900 lumens.

a friend came over last night to watch Final Destination 5 3D (great 3D, blah movie). This was shot in native 3D and looked excellent on the 5010, no apparent ghosting and I was looking all over for it. My friend has the HW30 and the 2.4 and couldn't believe how bright the 3D was through the glasses in torch mode. I've adjusted the colors with some tweaks and flesh tones look good.

When the movie was over, I put it the regular cinema mode which was calibrated to D65 / R709 and watched the last 20 minutes of Blade (OAR). It's not the RS55 w/ E-shift turned on, but much better than I was expecting for an LCD projector.

This is a nice all around projector for those that like to turn up the candle power yet still be able to produce a quality cinema mode with good black levels.
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post #876 of 3271
1/17/12 at 8:36am
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If I were forced to pick one, I might go with the 5010. I like the torch mode in 2D and it's nice to be able to watch tv with a room full of lights. The brightness in 3D has set a new standard for me to be able to see 3D as bright as most people watch 2D on a low gain screen. My screen is a bit bigger than most and I welcome every last one of those 1900 lumens.

a friend came over last night to watch Final Destination 5 3D (great 3D, blah movie). This was shot in native 3D and looked excellent on the 5010, no apparent ghosting and I was looking all over for it. My friend has the HW30 and the 2.4 and couldn't believe how bright the 3D was through the glasses in torch mode. I've adjusted the colors with some tweaks and flesh tones look good.

When the movie was over, I put it the regular cinema mode which was calibrated to D65 / R709 and watched the last 20 minutes of Blade (OAR). It's not the RS55 w/ E-shift turned on, but much better than I was expecting for an LCD projector.

This is a nice all around projector for those that like to turn up the candle power yet still be able to produce a quality cinema mode with good black levels.

Welcome to the 5010 club (ducks from incoming fireballs.)
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post #877 of 3271
1/17/12 at 8:44am
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If I were forced to pick one, I might go with the 5010. I like the torch mode in 2D and it's nice to be able to watch tv with a room full of lights. The brightness in 3D has set a new standard for me to be able to see 3D as bright as most people watch 2D on a low gain screen. My screen is a bit bigger than most and I welcome every last one of those 1900 lumens.

a friend came over last night to watch Final Destination 5 3D (great 3D, blah movie). This was shot in native 3D and looked excellent on the 5010, no apparent ghosting and I was looking all over for it. My friend has the HW30 and the 2.4 and couldn't believe how bright the 3D was through the glasses in torch mode. I've adjusted the colors with some tweaks and flesh tones look good.

When the movie was over, I put it the regular cinema mode which was calibrated to D65 / R709 and watched the last 20 minutes of Blade (OAR). It's not the RS55 w/ E-shift turned on, but much better than I was expecting for an LCD projector.

This is a nice all around projector for those that like to turn up the candle power yet still be able to produce a quality cinema mode with good black levels.

Based on what you've been saying, and knowing you're a "brightness guy," I thought you might say that. I'm pretty sure I'm going to order one from AVS in the next couple of weeks. I have to see that 3D torch mode for myself. With just a few hours on the lamp, and in brightest settings, I like the brightness of the RS45, too. I was watching that way, with my head just inches to the side of the lens and on my 2.8 gain 110" HP. Wow! Except for the dark on light ghosting, it looked phenomenal!

There shouldn't be any flames over Jason's preference. I asked him what he'd like, not what he'd recommend.

Do the Xpand 103s work with the Epson?
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post #878 of 3271
1/17/12 at 8:53am
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Jason's choice = the H5360 720p 3D Acer of course!

No disappointments because you expect so little and get so much. I'm having such a hard time rationalizing a new purchase, especially because I know next year's projectors will be really good -- I'll bet the Epson will have an active DI and FI in 3D mode. I bought a pair of Sony PS3 3D glasses (on sale) in anticipation of buying the Epson and then watched Deathly Hallows Part II on the Acer and it looked amazing. It looks better in 3D on the Acer than anything I've seen in 2D on my Epson 9500 or my Sony G90 (just gave it to a friend).

I'm going over to my friend's house to watch his Acer 5360 again, just as soon as he gets another pair of nVidia glasses. I watched it initially with just the DLPLink glasses, and I thought it put up a very good picture, but I noticed rainbows a bit and the contrast disappointed. He tells me that with the nVidia glasses, the improvement in contrast is "not subtle." I'm anxious to watch a whole movie on it, with the better nVidia kit.

As an added bonus, we'll get to kill two birds with one stone that day. He's going to be working with me on the voice over for my 3D video, too.
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post #879 of 3271
1/17/12 at 11:22am
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Do the Xpand 103s work with the Epson?

No, they don't. Epson's glasses adher to the new M-3Di standard, developed by Panasonic and Xpand, but X103s are not compatible with it. X104s apparently are, I hear.
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post #880 of 3271
1/17/12 at 11:52am
I couldn't get the 103s to work on it other than vary intermittently and poorly at that.
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post #881 of 3271
1/17/12 at 1:07pm
That really sucks. I already have 5 different types of 3D glasses. When I order the Epson, I'll have to have a fire sale and get some 104s.
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post #882 of 3271
1/17/12 at 2:09pm
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That really sucks. I already have 5 different types of 3D glasses. When I order the Epson, I'll have to have a fire sale and get some 104s.

Go sift through the "Epson 3010 glasses" thread which is the same tech as the 5010:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1372529

The 104s apparently do work, but are not reported as one of the best.
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post #883 of 3271
1/17/12 at 2:31pm
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

Based on what you've been saying, and knowing you're a "brightness guy," I thought you might say that. I'm pretty sure I'm going to order one from AVS in the next couple of weeks. I have to see that 3D torch mode for myself. With just a few hours on the lamp, and in brightest settings, I like the brightness of the RS45, too. I was watching that way, with my head just inches to the side of the lens and on my 2.8 gain 110" HP. Wow! Except for the dark on light ghosting, it looked phenomenal!

There shouldn't be any flames over Jason's preference. I asked him what he'd like, not what he'd recommend.

Do the Xpand 103s work with the Epson?

it's a bit more than just the brightness. it's sharp in 3D, and colors/contrast are respectable. it does look different than the JVC, no doubt.

I think you should bite the bullet and just keep both if you like the 5010. It will save those precious lamp hours and use it for critical 2D BD viewing.
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post #884 of 3271
1/17/12 at 2:43pm
Besides ghosting and color, have people noticed performance differences among different brands of 3D-glasses?
I bought a pair of cheap Sony palystation-2 3-d glasses for the 5010 and they offer a much more relaxed 3D viewing experience than the Epson's, at the same time the Epson's provide a more immersive 3D experience and depth all around. the Sony suffers from too much reflections though, where the Epson's don't.
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post #885 of 3271
1/17/12 at 3:54pm
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Besides ghosting and color, have people noticed performance differences among different brands of 3D-glasses?
I bought a pair of cheap Sony palystation-2 3-d glasses for the 5010 and they offer a much more relaxed 3D viewing experience than the Epson's, at the same time the Epson's provide a more immersive 3D experience and depth all around. the Sony suffers from too much reflections though, where the Epson's don't.

Did you mean to say that the Sony glasses provide a more immersive 3D experience?

If so that is good news for 5010 owners, since the Playstation glasses are so cheap.
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post #886 of 3271
1/17/12 at 4:09pm
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Did you mean to say that the Sony glasses provide a more immersive 3D experience?

If so that is good news for 5010 owners, since the Playstation glasses are so cheap.

You may be experiencing reverse polarity. To fix, tilt head sideways and give it a good slap.
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post #887 of 3271
1/17/12 at 4:46pm
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You may be experiencing reverse polarity.

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post #888 of 3271
1/17/12 at 4:50pm
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Did you mean to say that the Sony glasses provide a more immersive 3D experience?

If so that is good news for 5010 owners, since the Playstation glasses are so cheap.

No, I meant to say that the Sony glasses provide you with a more relaxed experience simply because is easier on the eyes, ( no headaches) the Epsons on the other hand give a more like "you are there" illusion (more immersive) but bother your eyes a little. At the same time the Sony glasses reflect anything that's behind them, while the Epsons don't.
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post #889 of 3271
1/17/12 at 5:15pm
Zombie 10K,

Do you experience any eye fatigue on the Epson 5010? I would think the BenQ W7000 would be the better choice if this is a concern. When I briefly had the Panny 7000, I got some eye fatigue that I never had experienced with my Acer H5360. Thoughts?
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post #890 of 3271
1/17/12 at 5:35pm
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Zombie 10K,

Do you experience any eye fatigue on the Epson 5010? I would think the BenQ W7000 would be the better choice if this is a concern. When I briefly had the Panny 7000, I got some eye fatigue that I never had experienced with my Acer H5360. Thoughts?

It's not so much a projector issue in this case as it is the use of different glasses. I have not watched any other 3D projector in my room. Most other people watching with me felt more comfortable with the Sony glasses than the Epson's. yesterday the whole family got together and we watched Tangled, and with Sony glasses it felt as if you weren't using glasses at all because of how easy they are on the eyes, my dad says he could watch hours of 3D material using the Sony glasses but not with the epsons. I personally don't feel any eye fatigue with iether.
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post #891 of 3271
1/17/12 at 5:53pm
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Zombie 10K,

Do you experience any eye fatigue on the Epson 5010? I would think the BenQ W7000 would be the better choice if this is a concern. When I briefly had the Panny 7000, I got some eye fatigue that I never had experienced with my Acer H5360. Thoughts?

negative, i've used the Epson glasses and Monster Vision 3D and don't have any issues with either on this projector. I watched FD5 3D last night and it looked excellent on the 5010.
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post #892 of 3271
1/17/12 at 6:03pm
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negative, i've used the Epson glasses and Monster Vision 3D and don't have any issues with either on this projector. I watched FD5 3D last night and it looked excellent on the 5010.

On the Epson 5010 do you prefer Monsters over Epson re: tint? Is one of these brighter than the other?

To use the Monster glasses with the Epson 5010 the Epson 3D emitter must be purchased as well (due to lack of VESA port on the Epson)? Whereas on the JVC X30/RS45 the supplied VESA cable with the Monster RF transmitter can plug directly into the JVC "3D Synchro" port which is a VESA port? Trying to understand what all is needed to use the Monster glasses with the Epson and JVC projectors.
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post #893 of 3271
1/17/12 at 7:21pm
I think if you guys are going to study and attempt to rate 3D shutter glasses re eye fatigue, I think you should follow double blind testing procedures.
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post #894 of 3271
1/17/12 at 8:32pm
I'll just take whatever glasses matched Zombies first review of the projectors.
Hope stores keep them in stock. I fear the glasses will wear out way before the projector and wont be able to find compatable glasses in the future.
A friend of mine already dropped a pair of my Sony 3d glasses and the earpiece broke off. Lucky they glued back on but they don't fold up anymore.
3d in 24" is just sad anyway. I wanna go BIG.
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post #895 of 3271
1/18/12 at 6:15am
What specific glue did you use and do you think it would work on the other brands and models of glasses being discussed used here?

I think a potentially sturdier repair could be acomplished if you used a small metal rod as a splint and some good old duct tape covered with a finishing layer of black tape to minimize any possibility of unwanted reflections.
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post #896 of 3271
1/18/12 at 6:16am
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On the Epson 5010 do you prefer Monsters over Epson re: tint? Is one of these brighter than the other?

To use the Monster glasses with the Epson 5010 the Epson 3D emitter must be purchased as well (due to lack of VESA port on the Epson)? Whereas on the JVC X30/RS45 the supplied VESA cable with the Monster RF transmitter can plug directly into the JVC "3D Synchro" port which is a VESA port? Trying to understand what all is needed to use the Monster glasses with the Epson and JVC projectors.

I think the color tint and brightness is about the same on the Epsons vs. the MV3D's. For some reason, I like the Epson glasses and the first factory glasses I would wear vs. reaching for the MV3D's.

The IR Receiver that ships with the MV3D kit works fine with the built in emitter on the 5010. I just put the receiver in the front of the projector and it sync's up fine. I haven't been able to tune the MV3D's as well as I'd like on the 5010, I might need to update the firmware on the receiver box first.
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post #897 of 3271
1/18/12 at 6:23am
Also does anyone here use a slip on strap to keep the glasses around your neck when you take them off? They also provide a degree of safety in preventing the glasses from flying off your face as you scream in ecstacy the first time you see the Epson in torch mode on a 2.8 HP screen. Also should the glasses come off in that mode and with that screen you could suffer eye damage.
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post #898 of 3271
1/18/12 at 8:16am
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Originally Posted by WynsWrld98 View Post

On the Epson 5010 do you prefer Monsters over Epson re: tint? Is one of these brighter than the other?

To use the Monster glasses with the Epson 5010 the Epson 3D emitter must be purchased as well (due to lack of VESA port on the Epson)? Whereas on the JVC X30/RS45 the supplied VESA cable with the Monster RF transmitter can plug directly into the JVC "3D Synchro" port which is a VESA port? Trying to understand what all is needed to use the Monster glasses with the Epson and JVC projectors.

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I think the color tint and brightness is about the same on the Epsons vs. the MV3D's. For some reason, I like the Epson glasses and the first factory glasses I would wear vs. reaching for the MV3D's.

The IR Receiver that ships with the MV3D kit works fine with the built in emitter on the 5010. I just put the receiver in the front of the projector and it sync's up fine. I haven't been able to tune the MV3D's as well as I'd like on the 5010, I might need to update the firmware on the receiver box first.

I'd like to use only the RF ability of the MV/Optoma glasses and discard the IR blasting. So I would like to know if the RJ45 external emitter port on the 5010 is the same (standard spec?) as the HW30? By using an emitter/cable, the built-in IR on the 5010 pj itself would be disabled.

re: the Sony RJ45 patch cable discussed here, and Mark's simplified cable suggestion in port #1528:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post21254110

The schematic in that topic was derived from the HW30 service manual, which I have not located for the 5010. Perhaps Mark could get some inside track if this RJ45 appearing on 3D devices is a standard emitter wiring?
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1/18/12 at 9:04am
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No, I meant to say that the Sony glasses provide you with a more relaxed experience simply because is easier on the eyes, ( no headaches) the Epsons on the other hand give a more like "you are there" illusion (more immersive) but bother your eyes a little. At the same time the Sony glasses reflect anything that's behind them, while the Epsons don't.

Thanks. That sounds like some tough tradeoffs. Reflections are really annoying though so thats unfortunate, however a lot of the universal glasses are quite reflective, I don't know why?

@plasma: I think my polarity has been skewed since childhood, but thats a story for another day
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1/18/12 at 10:17am
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I'd like to use only the RF ability of the MV/Optoma glasses and discard the IR blasting. So I would like to know if the RJ45 external emitter port on the 5010 is the same (standard spec?) as the HW30? By using an emitter/cable, the built-in IR on the 5010 pj itself would be disabled.

re: the Sony RJ45 patch cable discussed here, and Mark's simplified cable suggestion in port #1528:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post21254110

The schematic in that topic was derived from the HW30 service manual, which I have not located for the 5010. Perhaps Mark could get some inside track if this RJ45 appearing on 3D devices is a standard emitter wiring?

I just made a cable post in the HW30 thread which I posted there by mistake attempting to answer your question.
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