JVC RS 45 / Sony HW30 / BenQ W7000 / Epson 5010 mini-shootout - Page 32

Hey, my Pannasonic plasma sits 15ft away, but it's cooling fans still irritate me in quiet scenes. Having a PJ immediately overhead is going to be a noise problem in most cases. There is a threshold level I'm willing to live with, without resorting to using a hushbox. I think the RS40 in 3D mode was about as loud as I can handle comfortably.

Wow you have super human hearing. Kidding..I can hear my plasma as well.
When watching movies, its not something I'm trying to listen for though.

I think CMD3 on the JVC RS45 works fairly well, better than I recall on the RS40. I suspect they've made a few improvements. I'd never before seen a frame interpolation system that I liked. There were always either strange artifacts (similar to MPEG blocking) or unnatural motion. I turned on CMD3 on the RS45 the other day for a Blu-ray disc, and then forgot it was on. In other words, it didn't call attention to itself. That's refreshing.

I cant tell ANY difference from the 40 to the 45 with CMD3. What improvements are you seeing?

It's been a long time since I used it on the RS40, so it's possible I'm mis-remembering. What I recall doing with the RS40 was trying the different forms, and then turning them off. I've done the same thing on my Samsungs and the Panasonic 4000. With the RS45, CMD3 seemed to smooth the motion subtly, without looking unnatural. I don't recall seeing any blocking-type artifacts around edges, or any freaky motion effects. My Samsung created such funky motion that I nearly got nauseous. At any rate, FI isn't a huge attraction for me.

I would like a 5000 lumen projector with a 7x gain 100" screen and then I'll consider 3D bright enough :P
In brightest mode, that'd be right at the equivalent of 35,000 lumens or 1,100 fL on a 100" for 2D. Man I wonder if that actually could blind someone, that would be funny (scary?) to be in a room with that setup.

CMD 3 still has the video look, although the FI was better than some of the older LCD's I've seen FI on, but it's not as good as the newer FI's on some projectors.

Sony FI and Panny FI > Epson FI > Benq FI > JVC FI > ?

Thanks Jason. So it looks like we're saying the same thing about the 5010's sharpness vs. the need on other machines for FI in all modes. Good to know.

If my screen was 2x brighter (2.6 gain instead of 1.3) I'd probalby been gabbing about the incredible brightness. As it is, my 1.3 currently @ 21.5ft to a 110" is fine. I plan to move to a 11.5ft throw distance (10ft closer) in the future, and that should increase the lumens substantially (>25%). I haven't metered anything yet... running out of assessment time.

I know you're exaggerating but things are mighty well illuminated here. 114" 2.8 HP, 5010 shelf mount, just watched A Christmas Carol 3D and the first appearance of the brilliantly glowing ghost of Christmas past was truly blinding, didn't dare take off the glasses, loved it. After trying an RS40, HD33, and Panny 7000, I think, despite occasional crosstalk, that I'm finally going to be able to live with this one. Well done Epson.

Couple more things about the 5010 experience:

1. Did anyone with a 5010 get a User Manual in the box?


2. The 3D emitter worked fine with the Epson glasses, even at a 21.5ft throw distance and the MV3D IR dongle hanging directly in front of the 5010's built in emitter. As long as the glasses were in some reflective exposure, they operated in synch, even from 30 ft away in another room area adjacent.

That seems quite strange that the Panny would ghost so much more. It uses the same 480hz Epson LCD panels. Strange

No
You can download it here if you need it.
http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/s...3&infoType=Doc

Doesn't the Epson 3010 use the same panels and it has ghosting?

Yeah, my fingers ain't broken. Just wondering if it should have been included. I'd rather not print out an 84 page UG if I don't need to.

Strange, but true. Had to get my courage up to try the same panels again.

Ya, everyone is trying to save trees these days and save money on printing manuals.

You could just use/buy a tablet and open the PDF when you are near the projector or need to reference something. Not cheap but convenient to have all manuals available on a single source.

The Panny, 3010 & 5010 all share the same LCD panels but I suspect the HW/processing is different between the models. They also use different lenses.

The Sony HW30 also allows FI in 3D and has reports of minimal ghosting in 3D also.

I'm also considering the Epson 5010 as well and while it gets good reviews I'm gathering from everyone's posts (and from Zombie's impression) that it is somewhat of a step down in 2D from the JVC. It's just unfortunate this year that whatever route you take you have to give up some fundamental PQ feature when choosing a projector (Epson has no DI or FI in 3D but spanks the JVC but, the JVC is the 2D PQ king in this price range but brings up the rear in 3D, the Sony HW30 is a nice overall unit but lacks DI in 3D, and black levels on an HP screen are lacking for those who crave deep black levels).

Hi guys. Amazing thread and wonderful information here. Kudos to zombie and everyone!!

I am a total noob. I am looking for advice on which screen is a best fit with 5010?

I will most likely need something that can give me the most brightness as i have whitel walls and a lot of ambient light. I read people reference DaLite screens here. Is 2.8 gain the maxiumum?

I am looking for 120' 16:9 screen. Electronically retractable to hide it when not used. I hope i am not hijacking i couldnt resist to ask to "masters of projectors" after seeing so much knowledge being displayed

If the Epson is just a step down from the JVC in 2D then there's nothing to worry about, specially if you count how many steps there are to get there.

How far is it mounted above "eye level"? I eliminated the 2.4 HP as a possibility for me because I thought the projector had to sit at eye level. Mine is to be mounted from the ceiling in the basement about 6" below the top of the screen.

Is there any hot spots at that height?

Thanks.

All I can say is hmmmm. A 3LCD panel unit vs a single DLP. I suspect that may have a lot to do with 720P vs 1080P on a huge screen but again hmmmm.

Cheap Acer's aren't exceptionally sharp for a DLP, not all DLP's have the same sharpness but 720p is part of it, some Acer models are sharper than others though. If you want sharp, Benq and Mits make the sharpest DLP's out of the ones being discussed here.

When you read the forum, you should have you seat belt firmly fastened and have your drink in a no spill container. When you are thinking about posting, you should look in both directions and be sure your brain is in gear.

Its not a question of hotspotting if you mount it significantly higher than your eyes. Where are your eyes off the floor compatred to how high the projector lens center is when hanging upside down on the ceiling. Also you have to consider the angle your eyes are looking up at the screen. The higher above your eyes the projector is, the less gain you will get from the 2.4 max available. It is by far not the ideal screen surface for many of the aspects important to a high quality picture. But it isn't really bad in any area and does provide for a big boost in gain if you can mount the projector near your eye level. If you are looking at the screen say at mid screen and your projector is say 27 inches above that (say for a 54 x 96), I would choose another fabric which would give about the same gain as the HP under that situation but which would have better flatness and less color bleed and color shift.
Also the more gain, the more you will raise the ref black level although the on off contrat ratio will remain the same.

Really? Better than Sim2 or Runco? All BS aside I will let you know what I think of the Acer as will jmalto I am sure. It only needs to be sharp enough for me. My point was that he was comparing a 1080 picture to a 720 one on a very large screen. What can one expect?

Well, for screens for 3D high gain is very desirable. I really like my Vutec Silverstar. It has high gain like the High Power, but is angular reflective so you can ceiling, or high shelf mount your projector, so people aren't constantly getting in the way. Maybe that is just my problem since my kids seem to have itchy rears and need to get up constantly. The silverstar isn't retractable, but is so pretty you won't want to. With my 2500 lumen Acer in 2D it is blinding. In 3D it is just right. Of course that is why I think a good 2D/3D projector needs a much dimmer 2D mode than 3D. The Panny and Epson are the only choices there, and I prefer the Panny's dimmer 2D mode and smoothscreen filter, but the brighter 3D, and better blacks in 2D, and much better warranty are leading me in the Epson's direction. Also I can always pick up another in the future and some SPAR linear filters and do passive.