LG Official Announces 55" OLED for CES- - Page 9

I'm putting my money on LG's design.

But 55 inch is not large enough for me.

Same here. Except 55 works fine for me. 60 is almost to big. I refuse to go any lower then 55.

Well. I'm pretty shure that the 2nd gen Sharp Elite Pro will be the 2012 number one flatscreen, maybe it will beaten by A OLED (with a lot of issues, good luck with that ).

Even with issues. I'm sure OLED will make the sharp look cheap and dated.

There is so much marketing and spin regarding electronics and everything else, so I believe people need to see displays for themselves and decide.

The Elite, as "the best of LCDs", looks very, very good, but to some it is not the earthshaking display they were expecting. I've seen it twice...once in THX mode...and it is a very good display, but...

CNET, who gave the Elite a very high rating had this to say about the LG:

"It's a TV. And its organic light-emitting diode display technology is the future of flat-panel tech. OLED promises better picture quality than either plasma or LCD/LED--thanks to effectively infinite contrast (for realzies this time!), wide viewing angles and lightning-fast response times--combined with an unbelievable form factor. The winning LG measures just 4mm in depth, "three credit cards thick" as LG's Tim Alessi cooed accepting the award, and boasts a bezel around the screen just 1mm wide. It's basically all gorgeous picture."

http://ces.cnet.com/8301-33379_1-573...s-best-of-ces/

I believe emissive displays are the ones to bet on for many reasons.

It will make the cosmetics and design ook cheap and dated. I doubt very much either of the OLEDs will meaningfully beat the second generation Sharp Elite in a shootout. Assuming Sharp fixes the color bugs, the only area it's meaningfully "trouncable" is viewing angle -- where the plasmas already beat it soundly.

Of course, assuming the Elite goes 4k, it's going to mash the OLEDs on resolution, come more than close enough on contrast, probably win on apparent motion handling (the OLEDs are having what I'd call "image persistence issues"), and theoretically equal them on color. Of course, even with the cyan error, the Elites currently produce colors much closer to reference than the OLEDs shown at CES, which were showing nonsensical hues.

So you think it's OK to compare an LCD TV that was calibrated for many hours, viewed in a dark room for hours against your 10 minutes of questionable content viewing of a beta OLED in a brightly lit convention floor, with who knows what kind of settings on it and say OLED's can't compete?

It's about as silly as your statement 2 years ago that OLEDs wouldn't hit the market till at LEAST 2016.

Are you ever right about any of your guess's?

Good points.

My guess is that OLED (or Quantum Dot) will fairly rapidly replace LCD and Plasma as the display technology of choice. An emissive display has too many advantages over any combination of backlighting and LCD shutters.

Here's another person' perspective, writing for PC Magazine:

"...OLED TVGorgeous, 55-inch OLED TVs from LG and Samsung stole the show.

Featuring vivid colors, deep blacks, and superior clarity and contrast, these displays are supper thin, too. How pretty are they? PCWorld's Tim Moynihan, who got an eyes-on demo of the LG OLED TV at CES, had this to say: "To put it bluntly, this is probably the best TV I've ever seen, 3D or otherwise..."

http://www.pcworld.com/article/24820...ing_again.html

At least 2016!? I've always thought 2012. Only because of the whole world ending thing though lol. I don't know why anyone would say 2016. I expect 2016 to be the date OLED sets are much closer to perfection and MUCH MUCH cheaper then what they will be now. If a anything. 2016 should have OLED become a standard.

Whenever he claims I'm wrong about something, he never actually quotes the post where I'm wrong. It would be interesting to read what I actually said vs. what he claims I said, but I'm not bothering to feed the troll anymore.

I would agree that by 2016 we'll see much better and cheaper OLEDs and that they will have a significant market presence. Perhaps they'll even start to eclipse the 55" wall. But a standard? Not sure what that means. I'm guessing that even 10% of the TV market would be about all they could hope for by then and that might prove high.

Dutch viral commercial for LG's OLED TV:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYX5fFxcXWU&hd=1

Slightly amusing.

The review is favorable, but the mere presence of PCWorld gives me pause.

BTW, at this juncture, I would consider one of these OLEDs before a 2nd gen Sharp Elite. That might qualify me as crazy, but the limitations of LCD (even when minimized by LED backlighting) were sown in me a long time ago. It all hinges upon how compromised these first gen OLEDs end up being in the PQ and QC departments.

Maybe he doesn't quote you because you have more than 26.000 posts ...
You are free to give YOUR opinion and YOUR analysis of the future of that market but telling it everyday is a bit tiring
It reminds me Auditor55

Your opinion was (is?) that people won't be able to make a real difference in visual quality between an high-end lcd and a Oled, am i right ?

The fact is the OLED Tvs were the big stars of this CES and they completely eclipsed all the lcds and plasmas present there ... 4K or not ...

From Trusted Reviews (but there are many other sources)
http://www.trustedreviews.com/lg-55in-oled-tv_TV_review

He may be talking about this post from November 2010 in the OLED technology advancement thread where you made this prediction:


I'm not sure what the context was, though.

That surprised me too. Especially with 4K being a real product that can actually be mass produced next year and affordable mass produced OLED being vaporware for now. To me the OLED look way over saturated and I don't think that was because they were in torch mode. Hopefully, they can get the bugs worked out and OLED can become a viable product for 2015, but you can't forget that LCD and other tech like Sony's CLED will be making advancements as well. It is not always the best tech that wins the consumer market. While a 80" Sharp 4K display with Nippon Glare free glass may not have the contrast or viewing angles of a 55" OLED, the fact that it would cost half as much would be enough to prevent OLED from reaching any significant market penetration for the foreseeable future.

Thats all hype, prototype hype. Means very little.

Lets see the real product - Lets see them in the stores - lets see those reviews - lets see those user threads.


Yeah, right, PCWorld.

PCworld top 10 HDTVs 2011:
01) Samsung UN46D8000 <- Edge Lit LED
02) LG Infinia 47LW6500 <- Edge Lit LED
03) Sony Bravia 46HX820 <- Edge Lit LED
04) LG Infinia 50PZ950 <- Plasma
05) Vizio XVT3D650SV <- Edge Lit LED

cant take it no more ...stop here.
http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/colle...dtvs_2011.html

Given the discussion of what Rogo said or didn't say, and all of this in the context that this is a discussion thread, with everybody having the right to their opinion, here are a few excerpted quotes from Rogo's posts in the OLED TVs: Technology Advancements Thread. The post numbers are given, so that the excerpts can be read in context. This is just a small selection from a much longer thread, and Rogo has opined on other OLED threads. The point is that Rogo's opinion's were not fixed, but varied a bit in the flux of the discussion.

Again, these are posts from early 2011. His opinions may have changed after this point, with ongoing developments. One could, after all, spend a whole day culling through these forums.

2014
03-23-11
"...I don't see a chance in hell of a 55-inch OLED TV shipping at any price next year and I see the chance as very small for a high-priced one to ship in 2013..."

2023
03-25-11
"...Let's use Specuvestor's prediction as the one that intrigues me for the moment:

2012, Christmas, $5000, 32-inch OLED TV

I'm betting against; I think he's betting on for.

I hope he's correct.

(note: either way, an OLED TV that should interest any of us here is 2+ years away -- minimum.)..."

2026 (Here Rogo is discussing possibility of a 32 inch LG OLED-taichi4)
03-25-11
"Guidryp, to clarify, $5000 USD MSRP. And, yes, I'll give Spec the inch to allow for the LG.

By the way, I don't believe that LG will be available for purchase in the U.S. if it ships this year in Korea. I do believe the $9000 price.

Again, I don't really want to be right."

2046
04-15-11
"...Some people here are pretty convinced 60 inch LCD is
going to reach $1000 in the next year or two. If that happens, I don't see anyone following through on Spec's reports of CapEx spending to make TV-sized OLEDs. It'd be a half decade before they got production costs down to a profitable level. And when they can already make money selling TVs, it just won't make sense..."

2054
04-19-11
"...That PhysOrg article was one of 200+ articles on OLED over the past decade that purported to offer some breakthrough that makes OLED manufacturing viable/cheap/whatever. It's not clear any of the developments described in any of the articles have ever been implemented on an OLED production line.

And, yes, I'd bet on a 50-inch by the end of the decade. But I wouldn't bet my entire life savings on it..."

I guess what I meant by the standard is pricing, options, quality, etc... OLED will be affordable. About the same price as a mid range LCD. People won't have to break the bank to get amazing picture anymore due to the nature of OLED tech. Anything we try to to improve. Will be from there. OLED is where we'd want to improve.

I agree. I think that Quantum Dot, and even possibly Sony's Crystal LED, will also develop.

But I see this kind of emmisive display replacing any combination of backlighting and LCD shutters. This kind of display is simpler, better, and doesn't need the kind of tweaking and electronic compensation that must be applied to LCD for it to remain competitive. I would say that LCD may be nearing the end of its lifecycle, whereas OLED (and related designs) is at the beginning of its developmental curve.

I wish to remind those habitual predictions making egomaniacs, that they are just wasting our time with them, since they are just guesses that no one can base their purchasing decisions on. Just like the rooster crowing at each morning is not what causes the sun to rise, neither do your barrage of predictions and defenses of them, cause products to be brought to market or not.

Put your swollen egos in slings, and stop hijacking every OLED thread with your self absorbed blather. I have checked with Oslo; and they have confirmed that they will not be giving out a 2012 Nobel Award for Best Predictor, in the category of outstanding achievement in self-aggrandizement.

No need for you to keep hijacking every OLED thread. Buy yourselves some crystal balls, and turn pro by joining the carnivals. .

my local paper said this tv will hit the store this year for 5 grand lol

5k is not a bad price if it's 4mm thick and 16lbs and can kill my now sold 9g Kuro in everyway. I will wait a good 2 years or so.

Oslo can keep their Nobel, I gots $20 cold hard cash riding on this.

they chose mostly lcds because lcd is ideal for pc use. hence pc world rating them higher.

You paint with a pretty broad brush there, Greenland. To some degree, everybody blathers on these forums.

This is after all, a discussion and speculation thread, and there is a difference between making hard and fast predictions, based on "hidden" knowledge, and a conversation, by interested parties, as to what we might look forward to in the future regarding displays. I don't think anybody wants to buy into limited technology.

It's reasonable to discuss, based on logic and analysis, where things may go. In the same way, it is fair and reasonable to discuss limitations in technology, particularly when many of us are trying to pick our way through the spin and marketing that is prevalent.

The thing to be avoided, I believe in these threads, is making absolute and definitive remarks, and attributing to oneself an authoritative rank. Facts are authoritative.

Some careful predictions from person who REALLY knows CEO's and what-not.

"
Q: Where do you see the Display market in 5 years? Where will OLEDs be?

A: Two different perspectives coexist for a while.
OLED's current acceleration in growth is based on mobile handsets, where it is arguably better looking and more power-efficient that LCDs, but those are incremental improvements. Most mobile handsets use LCDs, where they perform very effectively. We could argue that the reason OLED has grown so slowly (until now) is because they were "nice" rather than "necessary," while costing more than the incumbent display (of course).

Or,

As you can see OLED confers massive advantages, the main problem is in productionising the technology. They are starting with small screens, just as LCD did, and then gradually working their way up. But already they can be found in a number of production devices. So every LCD device will become obsolete, as the features and benefits of OLED devices are so overwhelmingly superior. And games will look so much better.
- Mr Won Kim, Vice President of OLED Sales and Marketing from LG Display,
Jun 17, 2009
" - http://www.oled-info.com/interview-l...d-marketing-vp

-Just nonsense.

"As said before, it's a matter of calibration and the OLED technology is perfectly capable of reproducing accurate and correct colors and pictures in general."

"Therefore I examined EL9500 with different color gradients from our monitorTest software (it's free). I saw some different results depending on what picture preset I used. The vivid preset gave me some bands in the smooth color gradients which means not all colors are perfectly distinguished. But in my calibrated preset (and also the expert modes) the color gradients was silky smooth. Pretty much all colors were reproduces to perfection.

Again, this proves what I said in the previous section. The OLED technology is perfectly capable of reproduced amazing picture quality - if the manufacturers allow it to. This is really a matter of calibration and if manufacturers stay faithful to the correct picture element, the OLED technology takes care of the magic."

"I'm not saying that OLED is perfect in terms of response time but it's pretty close. By comparing it to both plasma and LCD I saw that blurring on fast motion is almost nonexistent on OLED. I'm saying almost because I did see some blurring on fast motion but actually this is an issue with the frame rate of the input signal, and not really the OLED technology."
- http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.p...&id=1289487180

Does anybody know if the LG 15EL9500 uses the same or similar White-RGBW OLED technology as the 55" model?