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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

OLED kills all. Everything else becomes obsolete. Enough said. lol

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Originally Posted by quantum112 View Post

Makes sense given the technology underneath and how it works.

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Originally Posted by mattg3 View Post

Why look any further,Oled is going to change everything when it gets affordable.

I see lots of reasons for non-erection about OLED. Those 55" @$8K will have lost of watchers but very disappointing sales when there will be plenty of 60-90" Sharp LEDs in shops. Buying bigger equivalent of Sharp Elite for half price and less will be much more attractive proposition.
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I see lots of reasons for non-erection about OLED. Those 55" @$8K will have lost of watchers but very disappointing sales when there will be plenty of 60-90" Sharp LEDs in shops. Buying bigger equivalent of Sharp Elite for half price and less will be much more attractive proposition.

personally, i'd take a smaller OLED over a larger LED given the opportunity. even if the OLED had a premium.
OLED is the future and even the most advanced LED is still just a LED.

I'm really glad to have cancelled an order for the Elite a few months ago.
post #333 of 862
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I see lots of reasons for non-erection about OLED.

It's only January, but I'm nominating this for "Sentence of the Year".
post #334 of 862
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Originally Posted by irkuck
I see lots of reasons for non-erection about OLED.

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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

It's only January, but I'm nominating this for "Sentence of the Year".

LMAO!!!
post #335 of 862
I can't say Sharp or Panasonic has anything erection-worthy at this juncture, so I can't fault those who (like me) who are excited about the LG.
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Just out of curiosity what is this $8K dollar amount for the 55 inch TV based on? Did they come out for formal pricing? I had seen a clip on YouTube with someone interviewing a Samsung or maybe it was LG rep being interviewed at CES who said "The $5K range". I thought that price was low, but that is what he said. And this was for OLED sets they were showing.
post #337 of 862
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

It's only January, but I'm nominating this for "Sentence of the Year".

Better make it your sig!
post #338 of 862
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Originally Posted by stepmback View Post

Just out of curiosity what is this $8K dollar amount for the 55 inch TV based on? Did they come out for formal pricing? I had seen a clip on YouTube with someone interviewing a Samsung or maybe it was LG rep being interviewed at CES who said "The $5K range". I thought that price was low, but that is what he said. And this was for OLED sets they were showing.

Well, I was also told by an LG exec "under $15K". So, when we hear a range of $5K - 14,999 and lots of rumors around $8K, I think that's where people are going with the estimate. I wouldn't be very surprised if it were $10K.
post #339 of 862
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Originally Posted by stepmback View Post

Just out of curiosity what is this $8K dollar amount for the 55 inch TV based on? Did they come out for formal pricing? I had seen a clip on YouTube with someone interviewing a Samsung or maybe it was LG rep being interviewed at CES who said "The $5K range". I thought that price was low, but that is what he said. And this was for OLED sets they were showing.

Pay no attention to all the price predictions. The price will be what it will be, and those taking stabs at what they think it should be, will have no impact on what MSRP the manufacturer will set for it, at release time.
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Originally Posted by irkuck View Post

I see lots of reasons for non-erection about OLED. Those 55" @$8K will have lost of watchers but very disappointing sales when there will be plenty of 60-90" Sharp LEDs in shops. Buying bigger equivalent of Sharp Elite for half price and less will be much more attractive proposition.

i would non-erect an elite. at the price they're asking i expect a fully functioning product, not one with color inaccuracy and pulsing issues.
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Originally Posted by greenland View Post

Pay no attention to all the price predictions. The price will be what it will be, and those taking stabs at what they think it should be, will have no impact on what MSRP the manufacturer will set for it, at release time.

I would only add - Don't pay much attention to MSRP at release time, but rather save cash for "street price" 2-3 month later! It would REALLY surprise me, if LG's 55" OLED TV couldn't be found for 4 thousand at the end of 2012.

Maybe this $800 Sony's beauty can help to get by till next Christmas for OLED's fans...



- http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/sto...erview/theater
post #342 of 862
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Originally Posted by CATYPH202 View Post

I would only add - Don't pay much attention to MSRP at release time, but rather save cash for "street price" 2-3 month later! It would REALLY surprise me, if LG's 55" OLED TV couldn't be found for 4 thousand at the end of 2012.

Shall we bet a C-note? You can have $4200 and down from any legitimate retailer. I'll take $4201 and up. Of course, if the TV fails to ship at all in 2012, I still win.
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Shall we bet a C-note? You can have $4200 and down from any legitimate retailer. I'll take $4201 and up. Of course, if the TV fails to ship at all in 2012, I still win.

It will ship this year. You'll see.
post #344 of 862
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

Shall we bet a C-note? You can have $4200 and down from any legitimate retailer. I'll take $4201 and up. Of course, if the TV fails to ship at all in 2012, I still win.

Na-ah... I'm just human, not the Terminator from the future, like you, determined to kill every last human's hope for affordable OLED display...

...26,654 posts... so what model are you ?..
post #345 of 862
Was LG's OLED TV actually ultra definition? I doubt it, but I dont see a resolution in their press release. This would be a rather big/dumb mistake for one of the research houses to make.

http://www.isuppli.com/Display-Mater...hallenges.aspx

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LGD's 55-inch 3-D, ultra definition - i.e., 3840 by 1260 - AMOLED TV boasts of features that exceed any other flat-panel TV now on the market.
post #346 of 862
LG's TV was referred to as 1920 x 1080 at CES and none of the press from there refers to it as 4k. Not clear why iSuppli thinks it's 4k.

By the way, I am very comfortable with those iSuppli production numbers. They are the kinds of magnitude I have discussed before. I am also feeling a lot better about my prior prediction that LCD will control more than half the display market in 2020.
post #347 of 862
I think anyone could see that coming. LCD has been going up slowly.

As with everything in life. Everything dies. As older tech does out LCD will grow more and more
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On the other hand, isupply is comparing the lowest price lcd to what will be a premium tv price fo the next 4 years.

And in a tv market that has seen sales slow, because of the economy and the fact that they have already sold hundreds of millions of flat panel tvs over the last 10 years, you have to wonder what will get people to replace perfectly good flat panel tvs with another one that to most people won't see an improvement.

People want the leap technology. Look at the brightness, the color, the 1/3rd weight and thinness of oled and its a tech that will get people to buy.

Apple went from zero ipad sales to millions in just 1 year with a product that was new, and more expensive yet it was very successful.

Predicting the growth of a new tech is hard and I don't see how isupply has any market reasearch other then crunching sales and manufacture numbers.

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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

LG's TV was referred to as 1920 x 1080 at CES and none of the press from there refers to it as 4k. Not clear why iSuppli thinks it's 4k.

By the way, I am very comfortable with those iSuppli production numbers. They are the kinds of magnitude I have discussed before. I am also feeling a lot better about my prior prediction that LCD will control more than half the display market in 2020.
post #349 of 862
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Originally Posted by irkuck View Post

Not that obvious: HX is taken at a bad angle to emphasize blooming. Second,
it looks HX is not calibrated for maximum pop. In direct view and with proper settings HX would win this hands-on if one leaves out delusion world and sees that HX is sold in large quantities, there is 65" available (bigger definitely compensates for bit better PQ) vs. single laboratory piece which will never be mass-produced.

That is not a "bad angle to emphasize blooming" nor do I see why you would claim that it is "not calibrated for maximum pop."

You strongly argue against 4K displays, and now against future display technologies that are a significant upgrade over what we currently have, strongly denying the benefits of either.


Clearly you don't want to upgrade your own display any time soon, and that's fine, but these kinds of comments are just ridiculousI say that as the owner of an HX900.

What benefit is it to Sony to badmouth their current top-tier display, and the last local-dimming LED set they will have on sale for a while?

The comparison clearly shows how much higher contrast is, and how much better the ambient light rejection is with the Crysyal LED display.


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Originally Posted by CATYPH202 View Post

Maybe this $800 Sony's beauty can help to get by till next Christmas for OLED's fans...

http://cdn-static.cnet.co.uk/i/produ...y3dviewer6.jpg

- http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/sto...erview/theater

The unit was very uncomfortable for me, the OLED panels are low contrast (10,000:1 maximum, half that when calibrated) the image size appeared small to me, colour was less accurate than my current display, and the optics are terrible.

It does, however, provide the best 3D I have ever experienced. I can't go back to anything else after it, and am hoping 4K passive might be the next best thing, because anything else right now has unacceptable drawbacks. (in my opinion)
post #350 of 862
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Originally Posted by rgb32 View Post

Better make it your sig!

Feel free to use, I am not going to copyright it. Future will confirm my prophecy.
post #351 of 862
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Originally Posted by Chronoptimist View Post

You strongly argue against 4K displays, and now against future display technologies that are a significant upgrade over what we currently have, strongly denying the benefits of either.

The comparison clearly shows how much higher contrast is, and how much better the ambient light rejection is with the Crysyal LED display.

I am saying that 4K has no real merits for the TV viewing scenario. I am strong proponent of 4K for other scenarios.

Regarding OLEDs, CLEDs and so on I am warning about over-hype. OLEDs have been for years pushed into mobile with very little effect, why it should be more successful in the TV area?. CLED chances for commercialization are zero.
post #352 of 862
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Originally Posted by Chronoptimist View Post

That is not a "bad angle to emphasize blooming" nor do I see why you would claim that it is "not calibrated for maximum pop."
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The comparison clearly shows how much higher contrast is, and how much better the ambient light rejection is with the Crysyal LED display.

I can't find photo of them both shot from a distance by some reviewer (with SONY logo on black) and left CLED "Sony-Rules" while right LED FBL LCD TV ,clearly "Sony-Sucks"
And I provided CLED comparison, because OLED even better! -
"Sony didn’t reveal much about a possible OLED set, only stating that the technology is still being developed. However, the company did unveil a new display technology called Crystal LED. It’s the industry’s first 55-inch self-emitting display that uses LEDs as the light source. To our eyes, the display didn’t stack up to the LG or Samsung OLED in picture quality or set design." -http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-th...nology-at-ces/


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Originally Posted by Chronoptimist View Post

The unit was very uncomfortable for me, the OLED panels are low contrast (10,000:1 maximum, half that when calibrated) the image size appeared small to me, colour was less accurate than my current display, and the optics are terrible.

It does, however, provide the best 3D I have ever experienced. I can't go back to anything else after it, and am hoping 4K passive might be the next best thing, because anything else right now has unacceptable drawbacks. (in my opinion)

-That sort of input from hands-on experience people want here! But you can't expect much from 720p resolution anyway.

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Originally Posted by irkuck View Post

...
Regarding OLEDs, CLEDs and so on I am warning about over-hype. OLEDs have been for years pushed into mobile with very little effect, why it should be more successful in the TV area? ...

-Because technology matured just literally "yesterday" -with new WOLED approach and only today finally viable for "big-screen-TV's"? - Developed ~100 000 Hrs H-B lifetime and MUCH cheaper manufacturing process for mass production? They just NOW building/built plants for it! -C'mon! -

"The most mainstream product LG will have is the world’s largest OLED TV, a 55” set that uses a White Organic Light-Emitting Diode (WOLED), and will be available almost immediately, plus the technology will be used by several other manufacturers.
Most would agree that OLED is a superior technology to LCD TVs, but the manufacturing costs have been high enough to slow the adoption of the new technology. LG thinks that it has found a way around that, and so has begun mass production on the world’s largest OLED set.
" - http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-th...on-on-the-way/
post #353 of 862
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Originally Posted by CATYPH202 View Post

... -That sort of input from hands-on experience people want here! ...

rogo, maybe you can share some of your photos of OLED TV's from CES?
post #354 of 862
The first side-by-side pictures of a 55" OLED and 55" LCD. Meaningless but still fun.



http://www.oled-display.net/first-pi...st-lcd-led-tv/

Edit: one more:

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And, while I'm at it, some more LCD vs OLED:





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I want one!
post #357 of 862
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Originally Posted by ferro View Post

And, while I'm at it, some more LCD vs OLED:







Which LED panel is shown in the comparison pictures? Is it the new Nano LED model?
post #358 of 862
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Originally Posted by greenland View Post

Which LED panel is shown in the comparison pictures? Is it the new Nano LED model?

If your Korean is good, you may be able to find the answer here:

Link for 1st picture

Link for other pictures
post #359 of 862
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Originally Posted by ferro View Post

If your Korean is good, you may be able to find the answer here:

Link for 1st picture

Link for other pictures


This what Google Translator was able to come up with.

"LED TV screen badly intentionally created or not the older discontinued model year, new LED TV 2012 is being released."

It appears to indicate that LG used an older discontinued LED panel, for the comparison. Perhaps some one who is fluent in Korean can translate what the site actually says, for us?
post #360 of 862
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Originally Posted by greenland View Post

This what Google Translator was able to come up with.

"LED TV screen badly intentionally created or not the older discontinued model year, new LED TV 2012 is being released."

It appears to indicate that LG used an older discontinued LED panel, for the comparison. Perhaps some one who is fluent in Korean can translate what the site actually says, for us?

It is evident the LED was darkened and OLE pumped up in those pics. This rigging made into grotesque when the LED pic looks much better than OLED .


According to new market research OLED is going to be a big disappointing flop carving up 1% market niche in 2015.
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