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"I’d like to see LG double the scan lines to accomodate the interlaced 3D I think they use, rather the alternate screens like the others. That would counter Samsung’s “complaints” about LG’s 1/2 HD resolution for 3D." -

I think they do already.....

I do like Wrgb I have seen the TV is person and it looked great, and I think samsung has no chance to come to market in 2012.
post #422 of 862
I came across this
It is a few months old now, and I have no idea how speculative it is.
A few things I noticed, at least according to the author,
Samsung is using LITI for oled in handheld devices and intends using SMS for the large flat panels. They look to be very different processes, and looking at the cons found in table 2, I noticed one of the cons for LITI was "Reduction of organic age" which I assume means a shorter life span.

Another thing I noticed was this quote about LG's process

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This approach uses red, green and blue light emitting layers without patterning. The sub-pixels are created by a unique color filter with an R, G, B, W pattern. To overcome the ~50% light blockage from the color filter, LGD uses a tandem stack, which doubles the number of light emitting layers.

which to me implies 6 emitting layers (2 each of R,G,B). I'm not sure why 3 thicker emitting layers wouldn't do the same thing.

LITI: Laser induced thermal imaging
SMS: Small mask scanning
post #423 of 862
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Originally Posted by sstephen View Post

which to me implies 6 emitting layers (2 each of R,G,B). I'm not sure why 3 thicker emitting layers wouldn't do the same thing.

LITI: Laser induced thermal imaging
SMS: Small mask scanning

The tandem architectures can get a bit complicated but in general the idea is that you can get a lower current and better power efficiency. I think it is a pretty safe bet that LG is using some form of tandem architecture. Costs go up, but the entire material stack is only a small part (~10%) of the overall cost of the display.
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LG chairman orders faster roll-out of OLED TVs

http://www.koreaherald.com/national/...20120308001063

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LG Group chairman Koo Bon-moo urged its flagship electronics arm to secure the lead in the organic light-emitting diode television market by rolling out the TV sets earlier than scheduled.

During his visit with its affiliates' chief executives to the group's research and development conference in Daejeon on Wednesday, he requested an early release of the 55-inch OLED TV, which is currently set to be launched in the latter half of this year.

He also asked LG Display to speed up the development of plastic-based OLED panels and commercialize them at an earlier date.
post #425 of 862
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LG Group chairman Koo Bon-moo urged its flagship electronics arm to secure the lead in the organic light-emitting diode television market by rolling out the TV sets earlier than scheduled.

During his visit with its affiliates’ chief executives to the group’s research and development conference in Daejeon on Wednesday, he requested an early release of the 55-inch OLED TV, which is currently set to be launched in the latter half of this year.

He also asked LG Display to speed up the development of plastic-based OLED panels and commercialize them at an earlier date.

Continuation of article.

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Mr. Koo Bon-moo also challenged his flagship electronics team to find a way to make pigs fly before the end of this year.

Seriously, though, I'm really glad to see that the top execs are pushing OLED this much, but don't you think the tech people are doing everything they can to get the thing out as soon as possible?
post #426 of 862
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Seriously, though, I'm really glad to see that the top execs are pushing OLED this much, but don't you think the tech people are doing everything they can to get the thing out as soon as possible?

This means tech guys will not only stay at night and sleep in their offices during weekdays also at weekends. Just to put the LG TVs into shops a couple of days before Samsung.
post #427 of 862
I am sure that the engineers are doing everything that they can, but a statement like that probably indicates that they have increased access to resources. It might also mean that LG is willing to launch when yields are ridiculously low just to get the title of first mover.

There was an article in the Korean press from a few days ago where the Google translation seemed to indicate that Samsung was pushing hard for a release by the Olympics.

These targets seem insanely ambitious, so we'll have to see if either company can actually hit them.
post #428 of 862
I can't imagine what Samsung would sell before the Olympics. It's clear they don't even have a fully realized design for a finished product. If they offer anything for sale, it'd be some kind of limited edition thing that then disappears.

As a practical matter, LG is beating them to market. As for the chairman ordering his people to release some product earlier, I'm sorry but that's just laughable. I realize Korean culture is different, but in most places on earth, if the staff didn't immediately tell the guy "we're already doing everything we can't, but thanks for your recommendation", they'd laugh, point, and -- after he left -- roundly ignore him and get back to work.

There is nothing going on at LG that will change because the chairman bossed around some people at a site visit. He's talking to the markets, not LG's employees and managers.
post #429 of 862
Koreans and Japanese are incredibly "herd". They are driven by the alpha male. But the context of the speech has to be understood well. I'm optimistic though that there's a chance that 55" will cease to be vaporware before olympics, though possibly on sale only in Korea.

Ironically they are disgusted by politics, but more due to repeated disappointment than lack of faith.
post #430 of 862
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I can't imagine what Samsung would sell before the Olympics. It's clear they don't even have a fully realized design for a finished product. If they offer anything for sale, it'd be some kind of limited edition thing that then disappears.

As a practical matter, LG is beating them to market. As for the chairman ordering his people to release some product earlier, I'm sorry but that's just laughable. I realize Korean culture is different, but in most places on earth, if the staff didn't immediately tell the guy "we're already doing everything we can't, but thanks for your recommendation", they'd laugh, point, and -- after he left -- roundly ignore him and get back to work.

There is nothing going on at LG that will change because the chairman bossed around some people at a site visit. He's talking to the markets, not LG's employees and managers.

Yeah no way sammy is coming pre Olympics with anything but a limited or demo TV.... I don't think LG is either.... Olympics don't sell TVs the the worldcup/superbowl/worldseries... LG is beating them to the bunch I would be super surprised not to see something by September.... Possibly pre Olympics maybe %20.
post #431 of 862
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

As a practical matter, LG is beating them to market. As for the chairman ordering his people to release some product earlier, I'm sorry but that's just laughable. I realize Korean culture is different, but in most places on earth, if the staff didn't immediately tell the guy "we're already doing everything we can't, but thanks for your recommendation", they'd laugh, point, and -- after he left -- roundly ignore him and get back to work. There is nothing going on at LG that will change because the chairman bossed around some people at a site visit. He's talking to the markets, not LG's employees and managers.

That is not so where the workday starts with signing company anthem and raising its flag. They are more like a battling army fighting with the Samsung dragon. Boss command means they will now work 24/7 and can count on a couple of hundred bucks bonus when TVs are in shops for the Olympic time.
post #432 of 862
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

I can't imagine what Samsung would sell before the Olympics. It's clear they don't even have a fully realized design for a finished product. If they offer anything for sale, it'd be some kind of limited edition thing that then disappears.

As a practical matter, LG is beating them to market. As for the chairman ordering his people to release some product earlier, I'm sorry but that's just laughable. I realize Korean culture is different, but in most places on earth, if the staff didn't immediately tell the guy "we're already doing everything we can't, but thanks for your recommendation", they'd laugh, point, and -- after he left -- roundly ignore him and get back to work.

There is nothing going on at LG that will change because the chairman bossed around some people at a site visit. He's talking to the markets, not LG's employees and managers.

-What is really laughable -that's some people truly believe every worker on Earth (even korean/japanese) constantly working at peak of their performance and can not be pushed to work much harder (for relatively short time) by reward or (better! ) severe punishment...
post #433 of 862
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-What is really laughable -that's some people truly believe every worker on Earth (even korean/japanese) constantly working at peak of their performance and can not be pushed to work much harder (for relatively short time) by reward or (better! ) severe punishment...

or that a CEO adding resources or willingness to take losses can have zero impact on a product introduction.

Not that any of this matters, except that I would probably be even more leary of buying a first gen OLED TV.
post #434 of 862
Samsung can be rolling out OLED TVs in 3 months if they want.

You know nothing about manufacturing.

GM spent 2 BILLION dollars to pull a new version of the C/K truck up by 4 months once.

Anything is possible, it just takes willpower and money.

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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

I can't imagine what Samsung would sell before the Olympics. It's clear they don't even have a fully realized design for a finished product. If they offer anything for sale, it'd be some kind of limited edition thing that then disappears.

As a practical matter, LG is beating them to market. As for the chairman ordering his people to release some product earlier, I'm sorry but that's just laughable. I realize Korean culture is different, but in most places on earth, if the staff didn't immediately tell the guy "we're already doing everything we can't, but thanks for your recommendation", they'd laugh, point, and -- after he left -- roundly ignore him and get back to work.

There is nothing going on at LG that will change because the chairman bossed around some people at a site visit. He's talking to the markets, not LG's employees and managers.
post #435 of 862
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Samsung can be rolling out OLED TVs in 3 months if they want.

You know nothing about manufacturing.

GM spent 2 BILLION dollars to pull a new version of the C/K truck up by 4 months once.

Anything is possible, it just takes willpower and money.

It takes a working design that can be manufactured.

You can't will a production process that doesn't exist into existence with money. They are attempt to develop a method of using SMM to mass produce these screens with 55" diagonals. No one has done this yet, including them.

Among the things that are not possible, irrespective of willpower and money:

* Faster than light travel
* The commercialization of a supersonic passenger aircraft in, say, less than 5 years
* You recognizing the futility of showing up at a gun fight with your pen knife over and over and over
post #436 of 862
This thread is supposed to be about the LG OLED display, not about Samsung's, and the perpetual clash of egos between you two know it alls. There is also a thread for general OLED developments discussions.
post #437 of 862
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This thread is supposed to about the LG OLED display, not about Samsung's, and the perpetual clash of egos between you two know it alls. There is also a thread for general OLED developments discussions.

Which is a shame, it was a good thread. They have to reply to every single person that doesn't agree with them or just shares their own opinion. No wonder I don't visit this forum as much.
post #438 of 862
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Which is a shame, it was a good thread. They have to reply to every single person that doesn't agree with them or just shares their own opinion. No wonder I don't visit this forum as much.

It's a forum, you are supposed to reply to people that don't agree with you. That said, I'm tired of being trolled and insulted by my personal e-stalker. So, yes, none of his trolling goes without a response.
post #439 of 862
Can you imagine the HUGE displays they will be able to make with multiple plastic backed OLEDs?

I remember seeing a few Sci Fi movies where they had moving billboards every 2000ft near the transit roadways, and thought "wow, that's 100 years out!".

Maybe with LG and Samsung pushing OLED this hard it may be closer then anyone could possibly think!

Plastic substrate OLED will be a huge seachange in the world.

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LG chairman orders faster roll-out of OLED TVs

http://www.koreaherald.com/national/...20120308001063
post #440 of 862
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Plastic substrate OLED will be a huge seachange in the world.

If it's invented.
post #441 of 862
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If it's invented.

Has been for a while:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw_3rQDrW1I
post #442 of 862
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Has been for a while:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw_3rQDrW1I

Sun, there's a difference between a demo and something that can be manufactured in wall-size sheets. Or even TV-sized sheets (like 8G-ish). The demos have been shown, the production processes to make such a thing in large formats don't exist (although people are working on them and have been for years).
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It the LG life's good site, no wonder that ''LG's OLED technology will define the industry''.
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It the LG life's good site, no wonder that ''LG's OLED technology will define the industry''.

LOL, anyway they were Goldstar way before when they got rich selling RAM memory to PC (90's era), then it becomes Lucky Goldstar selling general electronic (until around 2000), and recently they changed to "Life's Good" to be more "universal".
post #446 of 862
Audiovision.de reports that LG mentioned during their road show that they want to bring the 55LM9600 to market on May 23rd.
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Which market?
post #448 of 862
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Audiovision.de reports that LG mentioned during their road show that they want to bring the 55LM9600 to market on May 23rd.

I heard it's going to be on sale in Candyland on May 23.
post #449 of 862
The first market will be the UK. I read a similar date for Samsung. Supposedly they are aiming for the beginning of the Olympic torch relay in the UK.
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The first market will be the UK. I read a similar date for Samsung. Supposedly they are aiming for the beginning of the Olympic torch relay in the UK.

I may get out to the UK late spring / early summer.
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