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Originally Posted by coolscan View Post

LG, Panasonic, Sony, Samsung,Toshiba, Vitek (Turkey), Hisense, Haier (China) all showed 4K LCD TV at IFA. (might be more I haven't heard of.) The Samsung 4K TV is 70". Haier's 4K TV is the smallest at convenient 55".
Quoting myself here.

Adding; Panasonic, showed a 20" 4K monitor (IPS Alpha LCD-pane), same they showed at CES earlier this year.
Grundig displayed a 4K prototype, and Sharp showed a 31.5" 4K IGZO monitor/TV. (can this become the new PC monitor standard?).

Unfortunately, the journalists reporting these additions fail to report even the most basic facts about these. rolleyes.gif

Surprised that the manufacturers are not more focused on tapping into the 4K PC monitor marked, to get the 4K marked started.
There are more people willing to fork out for a 4K PC monitor than 4K TV's at this point. Every Pro and enthusiast Photographer and Film maker would buy this, because they have 4K+++ material.
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http://www.display-central.com/flat-panel/lgd-postpones-oled-tv-panel-production-to-2013/
Anyone's surprised?
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I will wait until I see a more solid confirmation from a more reliable source. Digitimes has a terrible history of just posting unconfirmed rumors. Notice they claim that some mystery source in Japan is where they got the rumor from.

"LG Display’s 55-inch OLED-TV panels will not see volume production until 2013, reported Digitimes’ Julian Ho and Alex Wolfgram this morning, citing an unidentified “report from Japan.” Although this is not the strongest imaginable sourcing for a story, "

It may be true, but they could at least have have obtained a comment from LG or even from some stray dog in the street outside LG Headquarters in Korea first, before running with the rumor.

Of course this accident at an OLED components site, which I posted about four days ago, might cause them to have to delay production and shipment of the panels.

""Explosion at LG Chem's OLED factory kills one employee, injures 14 others"

http://www.oled-info.com/explosion-lg-chems-oled-factory-kills-one-employee-injures-14-others

"LG Chem said that a large explosion broke out at their OLED production factory in Heungdeok District in Cheongju, North Chungcheong, Korea on August 24. One 26-years old employee was killed and 14 others were injured. This tragic accident happened when a large 200-liter drum that contained dioxane (a volatile substrate used in the manufacturing process) exploded due to unknown reasons.

The police are now investigating whether this is a case of poor equipment management and improper maintenance by LG Chem. This may also be due to negligence of workers at the factory. LG Chem said that while there's no problem to continue produce OLEDs in the factory, they have decided to stop operation until the investigation is over.


LG Chem is producing electron transport and hole injection materials used in OLED panels, and is also producing OLED lighting panels. The explosion probably took place in the material factory, not in the OLED lighting factory."
Edited by greenland - 9/6/12 at 10:18am
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Originally Posted by vtms View Post

http://www.display-central.com/flat-panel/lgd-postpones-oled-tv-panel-production-to-2013/
Anyone's surprised?
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Originally Posted by greenland View Post

I will wait until I see a more solid confirmation from a more reliable source. Digitimes has a terrible history of just posting unconfirmed rumors. Notice they claim that some mystery source in Japan is where they got the rumor from."

I can't comment on the accuracy of Digitimes, but don't forget about this Australian article that said pretty much the same thing.

When I see two sources saying the same thing and no word on availability by LG, it is a little concerning. I've been very optimistic about some availability this year but I'm losing some optimism daily.
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Not sure if this was already posted. According to the IFA LG rep, these TV's are not coming out before late Dec. That probably means 2013 in the real world. frown.gif At least he confirmed larger sets are also coming.

http://youtu.be/mojx7bGwQgI
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Originally Posted by Wizziwig View Post

Not sure if this was already posted. According to the IFA LG rep, these TV's are not coming out before late Dec. That probably means 2013 in the real world. frown.gif At least he confirmed larger sets are also coming.
http://youtu.be/mojx7bGwQgI

Thanks!!! Good stuff. Guess he wants to make sure if anything goes wrong it's the engineering staffs fault.smile.gif.

The guy seems pretty straight up. Larger sizes to come duhhhh but glad to hear they are on it.

75 to 80 drool!! Dec is near....

Rick
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Originally Posted by Mr.SoftDome View Post

Thanks!!! Good stuff. Guess he wants to make sure if anything goes wrong it's the engineering staffs fault.smile.gif.
The guy seems pretty straight up. Larger sizes to come duhhhh but glad to hear they are on it.
75 to 80 drool!! Dec is near....
Rick

Pre-ordering my 75" for 2017-2018. wink.gif
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By then should cost you about 1800
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Originally Posted by mattg3 View Post

By then should cost you about 1800

Awesome. smile.gif Less than the difference between the VT50 I bought and the Elite I could have bought. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

^You know for a fact they won't deliver anything by Q4? I think it's a tad early to be claiming your winnings.

This bet may require adjudication. It's clear they won't be delivering commercial product this year. Does putting 5 in stores in Korea count?
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Originally Posted by greenland View Post

"LG'S 55" OLED-TV TO LAUNCH IN MAY FOR $7,900"

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php...&id=1332831891


"According to the interest group OLED Association LG is moving fast to get a head start in the new OLED adventure. The original launch schedule was “second half of 2012”. Later it was reported that LG aimed to have the TV ready before the Summer Olympics in London (in July).


Citing a Korean newspaper, the OLED Association now says that LG plans to introduce the 55” OLED-TV at the Cannes Film Festival that runs from May 16 to May 27. The OLED-TV will cost 9 million Won – or around 7,900 USD, according to the sources.


LG is reportedly hoping to become the leading OLED-TV manufacturer. Samsung is also planning to release a 55-inch OLED-TV this year.


Update: An LG spokesperson confirms to Maeli Economy and says;


- “LG Electronics decided to arrange the launching event of its 55-inch OLED TV during the Cannes Film Festival period from May 16 to 27,” an LG official said Thursday to Maeli.

- “Starting in Europe, the company plans to advance marketing activities of its OLED TVs worldwide”


- Source: OLED Association, Maeli Economy"


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In the past, TV price levels have been set much higher for the European market, than they have ended up being set for North America, so we probably should wait and see if that holds true for the LG OLED TV display also.

Oops.
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Originally Posted by RLBURNSIDE View Post

laugh so hard if LG delivers this at vastly under 10k in the middle of May, 2012, if only to tell those naysayers to STFU and stop spouting their opinions as fact. But, knowing human nature a little bit, they will probably ever deny being against OLED and pretend like their predictions were always in line with this.


This LG timeline + news is definitely huge, if true. I for one am glad I'll have a worthy upgrade next year to my 2008 panny plasma. Even if it does cost me 5k, I make enough money and spend way more time in front of a screen than I do in my car, which cost me 10x more than my TV.

Oops.
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

If LG delivers some tiny quantity of displays in May at $8000, nothing any of the "naysayers" have said will in any way have been proved false.


I don't believe anyone is "against OLED" either.


If you can buy one in June for 5K, we will have been wrong. And I will happily eat a copy of the manual.

Still hungry.
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Originally Posted by specuvestor View Post


Zero intention to provoke but for the record, you were skeptical of a $5k 32" OLED this Christmas.


And for the record, nobody and myself included, expected a larger than 32" OLED TV to be available this year for anything less than $10k, not to mention the multiple naysayers on the OLED thread, just 12 months ago.


That's how I perceive the facts to be, without any hindside bias. I state these to demonstrate how OLED has outperformed our wildest expectations.

Has it?

(March 23, 2011)
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Originally Posted by rogo

I don't see a chance in hell of a 55-inch OLED TV shipping at any price next year and I see the chance as very small for a high-priced one to ship in 2013. I base this on the fact that even a 15-inch will be a bridge too far in 2011 (the LG will exist, be hard to find, cost an astronomical sum, and, oh, be hard to find).

Hmm, so the language was hyperbolic. Guilty. The likelihood is that it will ship in 2013. Oops. The reality is this wasn't so terribly far off after all. It's as if I have insight that might actually go behind the hype of the manufacturers.... Oh dear!
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Originally Posted by ferro View Post


Thanks! Some information from the video:
  • Demo models in the UK in July
  • Available in Europe in Q4
  • Price 9,000!
  • Production target of 50,000 worldwide in 2012
  • David Coulthard does not know what type of TV he has in his 4 homes

Oops.

And from just a few pages ago...

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1382413/lg-official-announces-55-oled-for-ces/720#post_22316977
Edited by rogo - 10/27/12 at 1:46pm
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^lol
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

This bet may require adjudication. It's clear they won't be delivering commercial product this year. Does putting 5 in stores in Korea count?
Come on now, that post was from January 2012, well before the little mishap at the LG plant and constant downward estimations/delays (knowing LG, I should have expected as much). smile.gif Depending on one's definition of commercialization of the panels, the latter might. biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by vinnie97 View Post

^lol
Come on now, that post was from January 2012, well before the little mishap at the LG plant and constant downward estimations/delays (knowing LG, I should have expected as much). smile.gif Depending on one's definition of commercialization of the panels, the latter might. biggrin.gif

Well the point is, the bet was made early in the year and seemed bold.. Now, it seems like it was correct, except that LG has its own definition of "shipped product" that I -- for one -- would ignore if it involves a few demo units running around in Korea. (Of course, they might not achieve even that and unless someone can buy them....)
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Yes, systech was pretty much "on the money."

I would also ignore that shipped definition (unless I was a S. Korean resident and even then, I might ignore it).
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Originally Posted by greenland View Post

Since they can not even manufacture the 55 inch 1080P units and ship them out, then they should instead manufacture the much more difficult ultra-resolutions panels instead, and start cranking them out soon. Brilliant!
Send in that suggestion to both companies. The engineers could probably use a good laugh right about now.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Someone finally looks like they're going to bring OLED to market in some form after - what, 10 years of teases? - and this is how some people react? They should be a minimum of 65" and no lower resolution than 4K? Oh totally, sure. And they shouldn't even bother announcing them if they don't have jet packs attached and come with a little robot that'll do my laundry for me. You think people won't want this thing because it isn't the size of an ENTIRE WALL and because it doesn't natively display a resolution standard for which NO PROGRAMMING is available or even appears to be in the offing? I would buy this thing today if I had the money, and I sure as hell am happy that they're coming to market with what they're able to produce, instead of nothing.
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Originally Posted by MrGonk View Post

Couldn't have said it better myself. Someone finally looks like they're going to bring OLED to market in some form after - what, 10 years of teases? - and this is how some people react? They should be a minimum of 65" and no lower resolution than 4K? Oh totally, sure. And they shouldn't even bother announcing them if they don't have jet packs attached and come with a little robot that'll do my laundry for me. You think people won't want this thing because it isn't the size of an ENTIRE WALL and because it doesn't natively display a resolution standard for which NO PROGRAMMING is available or even appears to be in the offing? I would buy this tI'm hing today if I had the money, and I sure as hell am happy that they're coming to market with what they're able to produce, instead of nothing.

I'm just a casual enthusiast, but I've suggested what you're questioning as well. The point is, at the price point they're releasing these at, in the time frame they're now releasing them in (remember, the release date keeps slipping vs. emerging competing technology and now non-emerging but actually releasing technologies like 4K LCD), and now because of the slipped time frame having to compete against said emerging tech most notably 4K, from a consumer POV, it'd make the most sense to just delay the OLED rollout that much more and release it as OLED 4K.

Obviously from the POV of these companies, who need to see $$$$ coming back on the multi-$B investments, they're not going to do that (unless that makes sense financially, and only they'd know that).

Chuck
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I think people will not want this thing because it's incremental improvement for 4x the price of a flagship LCD of the same size.

I'd note that Sharp's top-of-the-line 80-inch TV will reach the U.S. at about the same time for about half the money. Not 4K, but about 3x the size.

For 12K, most people would be better off with a Samsung LCD and a down payment on a 3-series Bimmer.
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The first generation launch is not intended to be a mass seller. It is intended to just launch the five year process for getting the product improved, and the prices lowered year after year to where far more people will be able to afford them in the future.

They will use the deep pockets early adopters as guinea pigs, just like what was done with Plasmas at the outset, etc.

I am delighted that they finally are getting the five year clock ticking this year.
Edited by greenland - 1/7/13 at 1:45pm
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Thing is, when the first year price was going to be $8000, the second-year price was likely to be $5000-6000. Now, the first-year price is $12,000. We can take guesses, but it sure suggests that next year's OLED will now be $8000-9000. The ticking is happening more slowly and starting later. And the market is more complex with real product in the 80+" class and real product in the 4K class, even though most of that (save the 1080 Sharps) are nothing more than flagship, early-adopter stuff too.
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It is what it is. Getting the first rocket launched successfully is the most important thing. NASA did not try to get to the moon with their first attempt out of the box either. Patience.

I had no intention or expectations about purchasing an OLED TV this year, or even for the next two years or more anyway. Let the deep pockets first adopters fulfill their role in the process for the next year or more.
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It took NASA fewer years to get to the moon from the Kennedy speech "We will get to the moon by the end of this decade..." than it has to deliver an OLED TV from when they started to get hyped.

That's sad but really quite true.
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Originally Posted by greenland View Post

The first generation launch is not intended to be a mass seller. It is intended to just launch the five year process for getting the product improved, and the prices lowered year after year to where far more people will be able to afford them in the future.
They will use the deep pockets early adopters as guinea pigs, just like what was done with Plasmas at the outset, etc.
I am delighted that they finally are getting the five year clock ticking this year.

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Originally Posted by greenland View Post

It is what it is. Getting the first rocket launched successfully is the most important thing. NASA did not try to get to the moon with their first attempt out of the box either. Patience.
I had no intention or expectations about purchasing an OLED TV this year, or even for the next two years or more anyway. Let the deep pockets first adopters fulfill their role in the process for the next year or more.

Totally agree.
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

It took NASA fewer years to get to the moon from the Kennedy speech "We will get to the moon by the end of this decade..." than it has to deliver an OLED TV from when they started to get hyped.
That's sad but really quite true.
With enough resources and drive, you could accomplish just about any goal within a decade. We could have been done with fossil fuels years ago if we really wanted it.
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Originally Posted by Chronoptimist View Post

With enough resources and drive, you could accomplish just about any goal within a decade. We could have been done with fossil fuels years ago if we really wanted it.

True that, Chron. Fossil fuels will be going eventually anyway, with minimal thanks to a certain superpower. smile.gif

Ironic how the world has changed.
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Originally Posted by greenland View Post

The first generation launch is not intended to be a mass seller. It is intended to just launch the five year process for getting the product improved, and the prices lowered year after year to where far more people will be able to afford them in the future.
They will use the deep pockets early adopters as guinea pigs, just like what was done with Plasmas at the outset, etc.
I am delighted that they finally are getting the five year clock ticking this year.

Exactly. The yields haven't changed from last week when they announced the $10K price in Korea and one can probably pretty easily buy one there and ship here for quite a bit less than $2K. The only thing that could possibly be new information in one week is the number of pre-orders received. The $12K price is a suggested retail price which no one will likely pay. The price probably does say something about Samsung's date for selling an OLED TV. With no competition for the moment, LG can skim the very top of the market for a little while.

From LG UK, a new version will be available in 2nd half 2013 (probably q4) but they don't list any specs.
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Originally Posted by ynotgoal View Post

Exactly. The yields haven't changed from last week when they announced the $10K price in Korea and one can probably pretty easily buy one there and ship here for quite a bit less than $2K. The only thing that could possibly be new information in one week is the number of pre-orders received. The $12K price is a suggested retail price which no one will likely pay. The price probably does say something about Samsung's date for selling an OLED TV. With no competition for the moment, LG can skim the very top of the market for a little while.
From LG UK, a new version will be available in 2nd half 2013 (probably q4) but they don't list any specs.

1) I doubt you will find cross-shipping a Korean one to be a good idea.

2) Charging more here than there is almost unheard of.

3) I suspect nearly 100% of the U.S. sales will be at MSRP, not meaningfully below.

4) They will be skimming an infinitesimally thin layer.

5) It's hard to get excited about a "new model" in the same year as the first one. If anything, that's a clarion call to not buy the first one. That said, I read the twitter post entirely differently than you do. I read it as, a new stand is coming later this year, not a new model.
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

1) I doubt you will find cross-shipping a Korean one to be a good idea.
2) Charging more here than there is almost unheard of.
3) I suspect nearly 100% of the U.S. sales will be at MSRP, not meaningfully below.
4) They will be skimming an infinitesimally thin layer.
5) It's hard to get excited about a "new model" in the same year as the first one. If anything, that's a clarion call to not buy the first one. That said, I read the twitter post entirely differently than you do. I read it as, a new stand is coming later this year, not a new model.

Sounds like you might not be a good fit for the market segment they would be going for just yet. Maybe you shouldn't get one?
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Originally Posted by ynotgoal View Post

Sounds like you might not be a good fit for the market segment they would be going for just yet. Maybe you shouldn't get one?

No one is a good fit for it. Please stop trolling me and understand I'm trying to do a public service to everyone reading this thread.

The idea that someone is a good fit for this TV who is trans-shipping it from Korea to cut the price from $12K to $11K is quite frankly idiotic.

My posts are directed at everyone reading this: Don't buy this TV. If you need more reasons why, ask me.
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

Thing is, when the first year price was going to be $8000, the second-year price was likely to be $5000-6000. Now, the first-year price is $12,000. We can take guesses, but it sure suggests that next year's OLED will now be $8000-9000. The ticking is happening more slowly and starting later. And the market is more complex with real product in the 80+" class and real product in the 4K class, even though most of that (save the 1080 Sharps) are nothing more than flagship, early-adopter stuff too.

Don't discount the fact there were marvelous technologies but they came late and the consumer train left. Pricing the 55" OLED at 12K is an ominous sign that things are not looking well on the tech side - and it is the LG which tech was going to be simpler and easier to make. In addition the consumer train is moving to 4K and the 55" is too small while 2K LCD is seen as more-than-good-enough. Jumping to the 65"@4K OLED economically seems next to impossible and so writing is on the wall.
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Originally Posted by irkuck View Post

Don't discount the fact there were marvelous technologies but they came late and the consumer train left. Pricing the 55" OLED at 12K is an ominous sign that things are not looking well on the tech side - and it is the LG which tech was going to be simpler and easier to make. In addition the consumer train is moving to 4K and the 55" is too small while 2K LCD is seen as more-than-good-enough. Jumping to the 65"@4K OLED economically seems next to impossible and so writing is on the wall.

You sincerely believe this is going to fail as a TV tech don't you?
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