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post #601 of 1268
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Weekend Update

Things got off to a good start this weekend with another surprise waiting for me when I got home.

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Lots of 2" cotton waiting for me to install it. smile.gif This should complete all of my treatment deliveries. Now I just need to start using some of it.

On Saturday I wanted to get the last dead vent hole cut. It was really tough to put a sizeable hole in my soundproofing. frown.gif

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You can see the 8" adapter above the 6" hole that I need to attach to. Probably will come straight out, make a u-turn up through the 2x2 structure over the stage, and then make a right turn completing the run. It will cause my corner bass trap to adapt around it but I didn't really have much of a choice. This will be the room inlet. The dead vent outlet is behind the projector.

I also continued work on the columns. I finished construction for all the base and top pieces. These were the last two I had to build because they weren't as straight forward as the others. Each column base got an outlet hole cut in it too (not pictured).

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Thought about trying to bring the curved section down around the steps but figured it would be more trouble than it was worth. Not even sure that I could have gotten the bend to look the same. The longer one will also be covered by the seating so it probably would never be seen anyway. And the one on the step looks pretty good as is I think.

I have one last thing to do to each column section (see below). I am going to add a strip of 1/4" plywood to each overhang to straighten and reinforce them. It will also give me a better place to attach the fabric to. Only issue, the staples I currently have are too long and stick through. Ordered some 1/4" staples to use and should be able to finish that up this week. This was also my first test for the Porter Cable US58. Worked like a charm and has some good power to it.

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Sunday was a long cold day. Spent the vast majority of my time outside cutting the face pieces for the 4Pi speakers. Only have one pic to show at this point because they are not assembled but will have more once I start to put the pieces together.

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Once inside, I ran some wires for the LED lighting...

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and installed some more can lights. I now have all of them in except the ones over the stage which are on another circuit. I hope I have some time tonight to wire in the switch and connect it to the panel and get some additional light in the room. biggrin.gif

So here is where the room stands as of today. Front...

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Back...

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This week I want to get the lights on, finish the strips on the columns, start sealing and priming the columns, and maybe prime the equipment room. Hopefully the rack will be in by Friday so I can get that mounted and ready to go. Also eagerly awaiting word that my screen has shipped. And next weekend it will be time to break out some fabric. biggrin.gif
post #602 of 1268
Looking good, Vanice!
post #603 of 1268
Vanice,

Nice progress, I think you are hitting a home-run with your chosen direction for the columns! Then the added LED lighting behind them = BIG style points!!
Getting all those cans finished and lit up, will be nice step back and "admire point".
post #604 of 1268
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Looking good, Vanice!

Thanks Spaceman! Trying to catch up to where you are (hanging fabric frames) but it's been slow going.

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Vanice,
Nice progress, I think you are hitting a home-run with your chosen direction for the columns! Then the added LED lighting behind them = BIG style points!!
Getting all those cans finished and lit up, will be nice step back and "admire point".

Thanks cuzed! I am happy with the way things look right now but am a little worried about the fabric wrapping that I have coming up. There are places that need fabric and places I don't want it visible so it could make the columns very difficult to finish. And then throw in the LEDs which could be frustrating depending on how easily it is to make the jumper wires. Oh, and punch a bunch of holes in the columns to allow me to run the wiring. rolleyes.gif
post #605 of 1268
Vanice,

I wish you were closer (or I had a business reason to visit Indy);
If so; would be happy to jump-in and assist; by wiring up and soldering those LED strips.

CK
post #606 of 1268
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Vanice,
I wish you were closer (or I had a business reason to visit Indy);
If so; would be happy to jump-in and assist; by wiring up and soldering those LED strips.
CK

Thanks for the offer cuzed. I can do the next best thing in the mean time and post all my LED questions on here for you to answer for me. biggrin.gif

I need to order some more LEDs. I have one strip right now that I plan to use for the step lighting and I have 4 more strips on the way that I plan to put in the soffit. So at this point I don't have LEDs for the columns but that's ok because I am basically just prewiring the columns right now. I have a strip of lights that I can reference and once I get the quick-connect connectors I can start punching holes in the columns and wiring up jumpers. The jumpers will be the most important part right now because they will keep me from closing up my soffits if I don't have them done soon. I ordered the connectors from Hitlights and they just shipped today (a week after I placed my order). Not too happy with that kind of order fulfillment. I hope I don't need anymore than I already ordered because I don't have the patience to wait. rolleyes.gif
post #607 of 1268
Everything is looking great Vanice! I love the column design.
post #608 of 1268
In Germany and have finally had the chance to catch up on everybody's build threads. I am glad the tips on the electric helped!

Really nice progress and I can't wait to see the speaker build part of your home theater build. I will be buying off-the-shelf speakers, but wish I had the time, energy and motivation to do it on my own. I will have to live vicariously through your speaker build.

Cheers!
post #609 of 1268
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Another delivery today. Hope this helps tame the IB.

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And now time for a little wiring. Broke out my first Insteon dimmer. This is a 6 button dimmer that will have scene control for the theater. It directly controls 11 of the 15 soffit can lights. I really like the look of this Insteon dimmer. I have a black keypad kit that I will switch out once the dimmer is in it's final home.

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Need to get an extension for the box and add some spacers around the dimmer to give me a place to attach the fabric to.

And let there be light!

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The front of the room is still pretty dark because I haven't installed the four lights over the stage (on a different circuit which hasn't been installed yet).

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I can now finally work in the room without my shop lights. biggrin.gif

Used these new lights to test out the fit of my speaker front panel. Tight fit. Still have another piece to install on the front but starting to see the final product.

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Really happy with the way the lights turned out. Need to finish the light trims and get those installed. Tomorrow I will fill some holes in the columns and get them ready for sealing. And maybe glue some more on the speaker boxes.
post #610 of 1268
Im looking forward to seeing how the columns pan out, keep up the good work!
post #611 of 1268
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For those who have used Insteon dimmers, have you touched the metal surround on the dimmer where it screws into the box while the dimmer has been on for awhile? I knew it would be warm but it was almost scalding. I'm a little worried that it could create issues down the road once it has it's cover on it. Anyone have any thoughts? I followed the supplied wiring diagram and everything seems to function properly. Just a little paranoid I guess.
post #612 of 1268
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For those who have used Insteon dimmers, have you touched the metal surround on the dimmer where it screws into the box while the dimmer has been on for awhile? I knew it would be warm but it was almost scalding. I'm a little worried that it could create issues down the road once it has it's cover on it. Anyone have any thoughts? I followed the supplied wiring diagram and everything seems to function properly. Just a little paranoid I guess.

What's your total load attached to the dimmer?
post #613 of 1268
It's the same with a lot of dimmers.. You can buy standard dimmers at 600w, 1000w etc.. Like TMcG asked, what was the load, and what is the switch rated at?

Also check the instructions.. a while (years) back it had limits on the number of dimmers in a box, whether or not you could take the aluminum heat sink off of one side... maybe size of box.. don't remember.

Tim
post #614 of 1268
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What's your total load attached to the dimmer?

550 watts on a dimmer rated at 600 watts.
post #615 of 1268
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It's the same with a lot of dimmers.. You can buy standard dimmers at 600w, 1000w etc.. Like TMcG asked, what was the load, and what is the switch rated at?
Also check the instructions.. a while (years) back it had limits on the number of dimmers in a box, whether or not you could take the aluminum heat sink off of one side... maybe size of box.. don't remember.
Tim

The dimmer is rated at 600 watts. I have 11 lights connected to it. Each light is 50 watts.

The dimmer is in a 1gang box so I don't have to worry about reducing the capacity.

Checked the dimmer again tonight. Ran the lights for a couple of hours and the switch stayed pretty warm but didn't get any worse than it did last night. I guess it just runs really warm. I'll keep an eye on it as I continue to work in there.
post #616 of 1268
Wow! Can't wait to see the finished columns. I really like the design. You are really moving along quickly. Keep up the great work.
post #617 of 1268
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Thanks Nick! I hope they turn out as good as the design I have in my head. Still pushing trying to get the majority of it done by Thanksgiving. Not sure if I will make it or not but I am going to try.
post #618 of 1268
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Holes are filled in columns and was sealing them last night until I ran out of sealer with one column to go. mad.gif

Also tried to finish the front plate assembly for one of the 4Pi speakers but realized that I didn't make the outside hole big enough. mad.gif I cut it too close and am about a 32nd all the way around too small. You wouldn't think that trying to shave off a 32nd would be that difficult but it is when it's a circle and the piece you are working with is somewhat fragile. Finally had to give up on it and went to glue up the other two boxes to bring them to the same point as the first. Oops, I guess not quite the same point point as they don't have the ports glued in like the first one. I will try and take a few pictures tonight.

Going to pick up some more sealer tonight as well as try and narrow down my carpet selections. I am going to be cutting it really close if I want carpet installed before Thanksgiving. Means I need to get my order in this week. eek.gif This is going to be cutting it close.
post #619 of 1268
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I cut it too close and am about a 32nd all the way around too small. You wouldn't think that trying to shave off a 32nd would be that difficult but it is when it's a circle and the piece you are working with is somewhat fragile.

Hmm, maybe a dremmel with a sandpaper tip (The eraser shaped ones, not the disc) on the end would work. Easy way to smooth it out around the hole without damaging the product, and making a little bit of space too. It doesn't need to be a perfect circle, the speaker just needs to fit and be able to be mounted. I had to do something similar on a metal computer case way back when I used to be into gaming and did all of those water-cooling case mods.
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Hmm, maybe a dremmel with a sandpaper tip (The eraser shaped ones, not the disc) on the end would work. Easy way to smooth it out around the hole without damaging the product, and making a little bit of space too. It doesn't need to be a perfect circle, the speaker just needs to fit and be able to be mounted. I had to do something similar on a metal computer case way back when I used to be into gaming and did all of those water-cooling case mods.

That is a good idea. I don't have a dremel tool but I think my Dad has one. Unforturnately this hole does need to be presentable because it surrounds the speaker just like BIG did with his. So the front plate is actually made up of two pieces with two different size holes. The one in the back is smaller to mount the woofer to and the one on top is bigger and fits tight around the speaker so that it fits flush with the face of the speaker vs. on the face as you would typically find. I am pretty much copying BIG's design.
post #621 of 1268
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Hit the store tonight and picked up some supplies. Was able to finish applying the sanding sealer to the columns. Also took a little time to clean up the room.

Here are a few pics of the speaker build. I added the ports to the other two speakers. All three will be ready for the front portion tomorrow once I get the woofer hole enlarged.

The front of the speaker without the face piece.

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The back of the speaker.

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Here is a shot with the face piece laying in place. This has not been attached yet.

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Got a little bad news tonight. While on my trip to Lowes I took another look at the carpet selections. So far they have the most options that I like at a lower price point. The bad news was that when I asked how quickly they could have it installed I got, "about 3 weeks". If that ends up being the case I won't have carpet by Thanksgiving and, if I should happen to get the room mostly done, I won't be able to try and tune the room because it won't have all the absorption. Here are a few shots of the carpets that I like. Nothing too fancy about them. A subtle pattern to them. Looking at doing a gray color. The wife has ruled out black because it would be a pain to keep clean.

I forgot to write the names down but I can get them if someone wants to know. There are three styles. Each was taken in the room with flash first and then without.

Example 01
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Example 02
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Examplet 03
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Let me know what you guys think about the carpet options. I'm taking off work tomorrow to work on the room so I hope to make some good progress.
post #622 of 1268
L015 Mineral Bluff or 127 Diatonic would be my choices based on what's presented with an edge going to the L015 for the simple fact that the pattern is much more apparent. With all your solid acoustic fabric I think it may look a bit better having a patterned carpet than something that has some color variation but would basically look solid, like the 127 Diatonic.
post #623 of 1268
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You are pretty much spot on with what I was thinking after seeing the samples in the room next to the fabric samples. I like a little more of a pattern as well. Adds a little bit of interest vs. a plain carpet. And I agree that since the walls are pretty plan that having a little something going on with the carpet is a good thing.
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L015 Mineral Bluff or 127 Diatonic would be my choices based on what's presented with an edge going to the L015 for the simple fact that the pattern is much more apparent. With all your solid acoustic fabric I think it may look a bit better having a patterned carpet than something that has some color variation but would basically look solid, like the 127 Diatonic.

I am in agreement with the above, with two qualifications
1) Have you also considered the darker choice >> Slate Path?
2) You know; you have a fellow Hoosier on these forums; RT Rose >> RT just happens to be a "certified carpet Counselor"

RT,
Knock - Knock - are you there, your input is needed !!
post #625 of 1268
I'd also like to throw Slate Path into the mix.

I can't remember where you landed as far as a final panel layout/design. Can you repost the rendering to refresh our memories? That might help swing us one way or the other on carpet selection. Also, what color are your seats?
post #626 of 1268
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I'd also like to throw Slate Path into the mix.
I can't remember where you landed as far as a final panel layout/design. Can you repost the rendering to refresh our memories? That might help swing us one way or the other on carpet selection. Also, what color are your seats?

I like both mineral bluff and slate path. They both tie in to the silver color very well.
post #627 of 1268
Here's another one for slate path.

It looks very similar to the color that I chose. In my experience, the sample is misleading and looks a little dark. Once it was put in the room, the color was a dark gray. damelon, I think I remember you having a similar experience?
post #628 of 1268
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I am in agreement with the above, with two qualifications
1) Have you also considered the darker choice >> Slate Path?
2) You know; you have a fellow Hoosier on these forums; RT Rose >> RT just happens to be a "certified carpet Counselor"
RT,
Knock - Knock - are you there, your input is needed !!

CARPET HELP NEEDED!!! Maybe that will get his attention. biggrin.gif

I like the darker but haven't run it by the wife. Probably too close to black that she will veto it.
post #629 of 1268
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Ok, I have taken my current favorite and copied the same design to the other walls in the room.
View of the wall as you walk in (the same wall that I have been playing with designs on to this point). I narrowed the green vertical stripes slightly.
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Here is the back wall.
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And here is the wall with the arched entryway. I may modify this so that there is a solid panel above the arch. Not sure yet. I don't really mind it as drawn.
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I will also be treating that small entryway so I will have to figure out if I want to carry the design around the corner or if I just want to make them solid panels.
I may be close to a decision here. smile.gif

This should be very close to what the final walls will look like. Does this help change any minds??
post #630 of 1268
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Here's another one for slate path.
It looks very similar to the color that I chose. In my experience, the sample is misleading and looks a little dark. Once it was put in the room, the color was a dark gray. damelon, I think I remember you having a similar experience?

I may have to see if there is a way to get a larger sample. Now that the choices are starting to narrow down maybe I can start shopping these options to find better pricing and install times.
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