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"When you buy quality, you only cry once" - Chinese Proverb wink.gif
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"When you buy quality, you only cry once" - Chinese Proverb wink.gif

True... true. I just thought I was far enough out in front of this thing that I would be ok. I need to check in with SM2K and see how he is liking his screen after the issues he went through.
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Assembled the rack tonight and put a final coat (I hope) of black paint on the columns.

Also heard from Jamestown. Sounds like my screen should ship by the end of the week. biggrin.gif
post #664 of 1268
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A tentative carpet decision has been made. I got clearance from the wife to go with a darker carpet. It's just on me when it needs vacuumed every other day. rolleyes.gif

Sooo.... it looks like Slate Path has pulled into the lead. They come to measure on Friday and then it's final decision time. eek.gif

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post #665 of 1268
Very nice. I think you'll like the dark carpet. It will look great in your room. I've had two sets of measurements taken this week. One estimate so far. Still waiting for the 2nd set of numbers so we can pick one and get it ordered.
post #666 of 1268
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Thanks Spaceman. I hope that aaustin is right and that once I get the actual carpet it is a little lighter than the small dark sample. That would be an ideal situation. Right now I am looking at Lowes because they have had the best pricing. We will see if I still feel the same after talking to the guy on Friday. My room isn't overally complicated except for the rounded stage. Since the pattern is pretty subtle I don't think this will be a big hurdle.

Have you posted pics of your carpet choice?
post #667 of 1268
Looks good vanice. I think that the darker color is the right choice. It may also help improve your projected image by limiting any reflections.
post #668 of 1268
Slate Path - Excellent Choice!!
Has RT (the CCC) approved?
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Agreed. Slate Path would have been my choice too. That color combo is going to look great!
post #670 of 1268
Going with a darker carpet should shift more attention to those excellent contrasting wall / column colors - I'm thinking they will REALLY POP
post #671 of 1268
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Have you posted pics of your carpet choice?

I have. (Link)
Picked Masland Quadrate in the Times Square color (same as Mario's Cinemar Theater). I'll be using a plain black carpet on the stage, most likely Masland Key West in the Darkside color.
post #672 of 1268
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Thanks everyone. I appreciate the reassurance. This, like the wall fabric colors, is an expensive decision to change later. Now if only I can get Lowes to speed up the process. rolleyes.gif

That's right. I remember those pictures now. That will look really nice. Has either of them quoted you a lead time? You should be ready for it very soon right?
post #673 of 1268
Vanice, I know that you purchased the sound kit from Bpape (i believe you said) do you know why they used the soft Knauf on the screen wall and bass traps v/s OC 703 rigid or Knauf EI-475?
I am just curious since I am at the stage of purchasing my behind the screen material. Thanks for the input. Still looking good.
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Vanice, I know that you purchased the sound kit from Bpape (i believe you said) do you know why they used the soft Knauf on the screen wall and bass traps v/s OC 703 rigid or Knauf EI-475?
I am just curious since I am at the stage of purchasing my behind the screen material. Thanks for the input. Still looking good.

I didn't ask him specifically but I'm guessing that the color plays a big part since the materials are somewhat interchangeable. The darker color means you don't have to worry about covering it. Also, I made it known that I was looking to save money where I could so that may have played a part as well if the Knauf is less expensive. I can shoot him an email and ask if you would like?
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That's right. I remember those pictures now. That will look really nice. Has either of them quoted you a lead time? You should be ready for it very soon right?

The first company said about 7-10 days. The 2nd said about the same, maybe a little longer due to Thanksgiving. I need to finish baseboard in the equipment and media closets and get a threshold for the main entry door before carpet can go in.
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I didn't ask him specifically but I'm guessing that the color plays a big part since the materials are somewhat interchangeable. The darker color means you don't have to worry about covering it. Also, I made it known that I was looking to save money where I could so that may have played a part as well if the Knauf is less expensive. I can shoot him an email and ask if you would like?

Vanice if it isn't to much trouble I would appreciate it. I see people using the rigid 1" interchangeable with the OC product but I didn't know the effect of the 2" soft Knauf stuff. If it is the same and cheaper than obviously I will choose that since it is pretty local to us.
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Will do. Not sure how long it may take to get a response. So you just want to know why the Knauf vs. the more commonly used OC703?
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Will do. Not sure how long it may take to get a response. So you just want to know why the Knauf vs. the more commonly used OC703?

Yes pretty much plus soft versus rigid. Thanks
post #679 of 1268
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Ok. I don't know much about the 703 product but the Knauf isn't really soft. I'll see if he can tell me why one vs. the other.
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Ok. I don't know much about the 703 product but the Knauf isn't really soft. I'll see if he can tell me why one vs. the other.

Ok thanks Vanice, The picture just looked like the 2" material was a little more soft. Thanks for the assistance.
post #681 of 1268
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Got a response back. Here is what he had to say.

"They're essentially the same thing - 3lb density rigid fiberglass board. The Knauf does not have the nasty chemicals in the binding agents like phenols and formaldehyde that the 703 does. It is also darker so that it doesn't tend to show through fabric like the bright yellow 703 does."

Hope that helps.
post #682 of 1268
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Oh man, had a glaring realization that this room is not going to be anywhere near complete by Thanksgiving. frown.gif Just not enough hours in the day.

Still going to try and scratch together a movie this next weekend though. Photo update coming Sunday night or Monday.
post #683 of 1268
Don't worry about it vanice. I originally wanted to have my theater done by Christmas when I started in November! eek.gif

It is a little disappointing at first but just know that the time you put in to make it perfect is all worth it in the end. Enjoy the time spent building; you'll be surprised how much you miss it when you're done. wink.gif
post #684 of 1268
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Thanks aaustin. It is frustrating because I want to start enjoying it but I also know that now is not the time to start cutting corners for the sake of getting done a little sooner. I will have to jump over to the rest of the basement in a week so that I can get it ready for carpet so there goes more time that I won't be dedicating to the theater. I do plan to hang the projector and stuff soon but don't worry, I will limit myself to late evenings when I don't normally work anyway because I am spending quality time with the wife. biggrin.gif
post #685 of 1268
I wouldn't worry about the missed deadline. You will be done soon enough. I finally got to the point where I stopped setting deadlines since I missed so many wink.gif. The week after Christmas it will be two years for me. At least I am finally making some progress.
post #686 of 1268
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Got a response back. Here is what he had to say.
"They're essentially the same thing - 3lb density rigid fiberglass board. The Knauf does not have the nasty chemicals in the binding agents like phenols and formaldehyde that the 703 does. It is also darker so that it doesn't tend to show through fabric like the bright yellow 703 does."
Hope that helps.

Thank Vanice. I feel like a bother here but do you know if it is Knauf 2" acoustical board (3 pcf) or 2" Knauf insulation board (3pcf)? I am leaning towards the non faced insulation board but I was curious which one was spec'd for you? Keep up the good work and don't rush it.
post #687 of 1268
The acoustic properties of the 2" "Acoustical" board and 2" "Insulation" board are identical according to the sound absorption coefficients from both data sheets. I'm guessing it's the same product, but if in fact someone is selling it under two different names, I'd buy the cheaper of the two. That will most likely be the one with "Insulation" in the name. Anything with "Acoustical" on the label usually comes with an inflated price tag.
post #688 of 1268
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The acoustic properties of the 2" "Acoustical" board and 2" "Insulation" board are identical according to the sound absorption coefficients from both data sheets. I'm guessing it's the same product, but if in fact someone is selling it under two different names, I'd buy the cheaper of the two. That will most likely be the one with "Insulation" in the name. Anything with "Acoustical" on the label usually comes with an inflated price tag.

Thanks Spaceman That is what I will do. Thanks for the input.
post #689 of 1268
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The Long Weekend Update...

So I took off Friday to help give me more time to push this build along. Friday we mainly worked on getting the lower panels on the soffits. I am using velcro as an aid in attaching the panels to the soffit structure. Some of the panels held just fine with velcro only but they did tend to sag a little lower than I would have liked. If I had used 1/2" Plywood for the panels I think they would have matched up pretty well with the light tray but I didn't. So, I threw in some finishing nails to help secure the panels and get them nice and snug with the bottom ladder structure. After several rounds of testing (and trips to the store rolleyes.gif) I finally found a nail that would go through the fabric without grabbing it and pulling it too. Bonus, they were black coated. Negative, had to put them in by hand.

Here is the first panel up. These pics will be hard to see because the panel and soffit are all black.

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And by the end of the day all panels were up.

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Saturday started with locating all the columns and getting the blocking started for them. All would be attached to the walls using 2x2's except for the front columns. They would need some additional offset due to them having to go in after the carpet because they are so close to the stage.

Typical 2x2 layout

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Offset blocking for the front columns.

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All column mounting locations complete.

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We finished up Saturday by starting the offsets for the wall panels. This began very slow and never really gained much momentum. We were able to complete one side of the theater and then we hit the wall, literally. The back wall has 6" worth of treatment which means my panels need to be spaced out roughly 5 1/2" from the back wall to fit them. This proved to be a very difficult task with the materials I had on hand. After much fighting and cursing I finally had one section up and it was a good place to call it a day.

The beginnings of many 2x2's. The first sections take shape.

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And my method for offsetting the back panels and allowing me the most room for treatments.

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Sorry, there isn't a good shot of the first back wall offset section. You can kinda see it in the above pic. Basically I am building the same offset structure that I did for the side walls but instead of attaching it directly to the wall, I am attaching it all together into a free-standing panel and then attaching it to the offsets I showed above. I'll try and get a better pic tonight to show it.

Sunday began with more 2x2's on the walls. We skipped over most of the back wall because it was such a pain that I didn't want to slow myself down starting a new day. Unfortunately my supply of 2x2's dissappeared quickly and we were unable to finish. Here are some pics of the progress to date.

Back wall. You can see the one panel we did complete on the right. Just need to mirror that to the other side and also do the middle section.

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Other side wall. This is where we ran out. Didn't make it into the entryway.

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So with no more 2x2's I decided to try and get the rack opening finished so that I could get some paint on it and get the rack ready for it's final home. Well, wouldn't you know, issues. We made a box to frame the inside of the opening, leveled everything, and then secured it very well. Then we built a nice shelf to support the back side of the rack. I could sit on this shelf without so much as a creak so I know that it will support some weight. Then it was in with the rack. The opening was too small. mad.gif I could have boiled water on top of my head. Now what. The opening was so well secured that it would have taken all day to rip it out and start over. Solution. Cut down my rack to fit. I only lost 1U but it hurt to do it. After spending some time hacking down the uprights it finally fit in it's new home.

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I was losing motivation after this ordeal but wanted to get the back plates for the 4Pi's cut. You can see them here. Copied the cutout in the back plate from BIG's design.

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So, what have I learned from this past weekends work?

1) Measure, measure, and measure again before cutting
2) Timeouts are a required part of the build day otherwise you begin to make bad decisions as you get tired or frustrated.
3) Start a to-do list.
4) I have no idea how to judge my timeline for this project.
5) Hacking together a movie for this weekend could be very tough.

I am going to try to put in some work on the 4Pi's this week. We'll see if I can't cross something off the list. rolleyes.gif
post #690 of 1268
Great job, Vanice. Were you always able to find a stud to secure everything or did you need some Liquid Nails? I did pretty well hitting studs with my furring strips, but a few needed some help.

How did you find so many straight 2x2s?
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