Full HD 3D streaming requirements?

Warning: even the Xtreamer Prodigy 3D is not able to read self created 3D BD ISOs (not from Cyberlinks PD10, not from Vegas 10/11). The company seems to be not reacting to complains about that. Maybe it works for sbs-half, but that can be done with every harddisc-player.

If you wish to use 3D BD ISOs, the iconbit XDS1003D Medienplayer may be the better choice. It works at least with 3D BD isos of Vegas.

But even the iconbit has limitations for 3D menus, but that may be acceptable for you or not - I do not know. Another player, that has that limitations not, can playback java menus too is the OPPO BDP-93 3D Blu-ray Player:

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-93/

But for sure that player is much more expensive (given the licensing fees they have to pay).

I confirm what Wolfgang said.

From personal experience, the easy way to play 3D *.iso files is to use the Oppo BD-93 with the iso file resident on a USB connected drive. I haven't tried the eSATA connection but I assume that will work too. The OPPO works and plays the *.iso just as if you stuck in the original disk and played it. Other than how you access the USB drive from the HOME button on the remote, you won't know it is playing the *.iso file.
On my USB drive, I have a 2 folders: "3D Movies" and "2D movies" I like to keep them separate.

If you insist on using a home theater PC as opposed to the OPPO player you can, but the playing of the ISO file is much more complicated. I use this method in my edit suite where my computer and 3D panel monitor is located. ( The OPPO BD-93 is in the Home theater room and has no PC) MY philosophy is when I go into my home theater to relax and enjoy a movie, I don't want to experiment and sift through a gauntlet of connections and setup menus. The OPPO satisfy the easy part.

PC method:
First: You have to mount your ISO file to a virtual BD player. I use DVD FAB's free utility for this.
Second- I access the virtual player in a software application called Stereoscopic Player This is where it gets complicated. Stereoscopic player has tons of options and you have to find the settings that work for your computer, display graphics card and monitor. Every time I go to use this I have to figure it all out all over again. There are just so many combinations in the system to set up. But it does work.

You can do a Google search on the apps I mentioned and find them easily.


So there you have it. Two ways, one easy, one complicated but they both work.

The Xtreamer Prodigy 3D currently has a $250 street price.

Besides the Xstreamer and Iconbit players, a similar player also based on the same Realtek chip set is the Himedia HD900B 3D with a current street price under $200.

See http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1367468.

The frame and bit rate limitations on these players aren't clearly stated.

From the listed issues in the above thread, these players may be far from refined to the point of easy use.

Can any of these Realtek 1186 based machines correctly play ALL of the commercially available 24p 1080 3D MVC file from ripped blurays? Today probably not. If they could do this, it would be an advantage over other players such as he Oppo and lower priced Sony BDP-S480, since neither play 1080p24-3D MVC from a networked based source.

Today the newest 3D that is already in the hands of consumers is AVCHD 2.0 1080i60-3D files produced by camcorders. Will these Realtek 1186 based machines play those files from a networked based source?

Also coming soon is 48 frame/second 3D being used for the latest movies now in production. This will impact 3D players and TVs where the owners want to have 3D at home that is as good as the theater.

Richard, especially 24p is not an issue for this chip, so 3D blu ray isos from broadcast movies are maybe fine with those players. However, it is not fine if you are not interested in cracked movies - and wish to generate your content by yourself. In addition, the playback of sbs half movies with 50i does not work - it is played back with 24p and the footage stutters. I assume that it will not be different for 60i.

1080 24p would be fine maybe for some people, but I have not found a way to generate suitable input for the Prodigy 3D with Vegas. So my conclusion is - that seems to be fine for some people, but for sure not for people who shoot footage with their own 3D camcorder.

I didn't understand your usage of the term "broadcast."

Do bluray 1080p24-3D movies from purchased 3D bluray disks, that are ripped into ISOs with the MVC files intact (not SBS), play ok in 3D over the network using DLNA?

When you try using Vegas that doesn't work, are you making 1080p24-3D, and what bit rate?

Yes, ripped isos of purchased blu rays seems to work. I cannot conform that by myself really, since I do not rip purchased blu rays - but there is a own forum run by Xtreamer and I assume that this is the mainstream how people use the Prodigy 3D (but I cannot know for sure).

The isos I tried were generated as 720 50p, with the Sony AVC/MVC encoder in Vegas. Data rate is something near to 26 Mbit/s. At least 3 or 4 people confirmed that it does not work. Maybe I should now also try 3D BDs with 1080 24p, with footage from the Z10000.

Wolfgang-



3D BluRay ISO's over network DLNA- No.

3D Blu Ray ISO's over local drive USB or eSATA- Yes with certain players.


From what I have found in my testing- Applications that are said to "rip" a commercial 3D BD or ISO from Vegas rendering will generate a folder file structure like on the 3D disk or SBS, TB etc file output. These can also be played locally like the ISO's mentioned above but only the main program. You do not get all the navigation and features that come with playing an ISO file.

The OPPO BD-93 Plays ALL 3D and 2D ISO files from a local hard drive and you cannot tell it is NOT a disk.

Don, I would like to have a way how I can playback my 3D BD-ISOs generated with Vegas with the Prodigy 3D in 2x1920x1080. Up to now I have no way for doing so, and I reject to playback my files in sbs half.

My Popcorn Hour won't play them either. With the latest firmware updates the Oppo BD-93 is really the best way to go for 3D BD iso's.

BTW- My grandson recently broke the tray on my older BD-83 Special Edition. I called Oppo tech support last week and the tech rep was so understanding. I explained that it was out of warranty but wanted to know if I could order a part to repair the drive or if I needed to order a whole new drive. He said they had some parts around and would just send me what I requested. A few days later I got two new gears to replace the ones that got stripped and a new drive belt. Best yet... No charge. With service like that they have me as a customer for life! The BD-83 SE is back up and running.

Popcorn hour people freely admit on their forum that their prior generations of products have chipset limitations for 3D MVC playback.

Unless Oppo can come up with a way to playback 1080i60-3D AVCHD 2.0 files and / or iso, they might have already lost the title as the "best-way." Making the Oppo an expensive doorstop.

Oppo is probably facing a limitation of their chipset. The Oppo uses the Marvel Kyoto G2 chipset. The limitations are not readily found in the internet. http://www.marvell.com/digital-entertainment/qdeo/

It could be "Back to the drawing board" for Oppo.

Actually, other than you, I don't see very many people screaming for AVCHD 2.0 1080 60i 3D video in distribution format. Since Vegas Pro v11 and latest PD10 the 1080 24p format is quite adequate and gives me video motion equal to commercial BluRay 3D. I'm a very happy camper. I will get excited when I see 1080 60p and then look to Oppo for supporting that format. In the meantime let's plan on the monitor upgrade to 4K as the next big game changer.

BTW- stated by robneal81 latest Oppo update doesn't change anything for playing 3D or 2D iso's over the network. Verified that this evening. Personally, I would settle for ability to send my 3D ISO's from the Vegas computer over my Lan to the Oppo hard drive on the other side of the house but for now, it's old fashion sneaker net.

The Oppo BD-93 is hardly an expensive doorstop. But, not having one I guess you don't know what you are missing. For the Home theater playing 3D video doesn't get much easier.

The people who want this feature are there. They post once in a while.

Typically there are 100 to 1,000 times are many people that read threads as compared to those that write them.

It is certain that having to run 3D video for hours through processing by expensive collections of difficult to learn software on expensive high powered PCs is not a pleasant requirement for home video enthusiasts...

...especially when the result is worse than what the camera records.

The ideal thing they want is to play their video with a simple menu to organize the clips, with no compromise in quality.

Video producers are rare, but some of them do tend to post a lot.

Example -In the post linked below, the user is overjoyed to finally be able to play the TD10 video back with the same quality it recorded. This is a courageous user that posted, while thousands will eventually read this. I have seen numerous posts on other forums of people looking for how to do this. The Vegas / PD10 combo flow approach is not for them.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post21425289


This title of this thread is about the feature you seek, to play bluray in 3D over the lan. The Oppo BD93 doesn't do it.

The feature you want is already available in new realtek 1186 based players.

I'm not missing anything by not having the Oppo, except an expensive player that now has fewer features than newer media players. Even as a bluray player, the Oppo does less than a $89.00 BDP-S480 Sony, since the Oppo can't handle AVCHD 2.0.

I am wondering why you've chosen the Ultra HTPC (Home Theater PC) from Xtreamer instead of a "System on Chip" box such as the realtek 1186 based units. Xtremer makes one of these called Prodigy, and the discussion here veered off in different directions.

Well, maybe I am missing something then. Had not realized that this better than Oppo player is selling for such a low price. I think after CES, I will get one and replace the POS Panasonic here in the edit suite which doesn't have 3D default, requiring me to agree to a couple safety releases before booting up the 3D disk. Very annoying and a quick review of your recommendation tells me for $75 ( best price today) it's a no brainer. Think I'll wait a bit before replacing the Oppo, however. I thank you for the heads up on this model!

PS- I may be old but unlike so many youngsters, I'm not afraid to learn the tools I want to use. I, too, want some nice menus and play my 3D programs I create with look and feel of commercial 3D quality. At this point, except for BD-Live and D-Box scripting, I feel I have achieved that with 1080 24p at HDR TD10 camera quality. I recognize that my videos are not 70mm film or IMAX 3D camera quality in image but the post process is now a match, IMO. I understand that those who are too impatient to learn the tools we have today aren't getting this quality. Not my problem.