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post #2041 of 2133
I think there is an FM transmitter out near you....maybe in the Rutledge area, IIRC.
That could cause some issues. Also, there are a couple of FM's in Warner Robins.

If you can find an FM Trap, that might help. They used to be available at Radio Shack, for about $4.00 or so. Maybe on-line.
post #2042 of 2133
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Originally Posted by kenglish View Post

I think there is an FM transmitter out near you....maybe in the Rutledge area, IIRC.
That could cause some issues. Also, there are a couple of FM's in Warner Robins.
If you can find an FM Trap, that might help. They used to be available at Radio Shack, for about $4.00 or so. Maybe on-line.

Most of the Radio Shacks around here still carry them in the stores they are $4.99.

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=10939219
post #2043 of 2133
Ok,I can try that for 5 bucks. At least won't cost a bunch.

So y'all really think that radio station is blocking 24 & 58 and nothing else? All other stations still come in real good, even the Columbus stations I had previously mentioned.

If I am reading the list and charts correctly, 24 is by far the strongest station in Macon. But
It sure ain't getting to my house.

After reading other post on here and othe forums, I am thinking about calling an engineer there (and at 58 too).
post #2044 of 2133
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Originally Posted by stardude View Post

According to Hal Sutton at WPGA, 50 was knocked off the air due to a lighting strike at the transmitter that was not suppressed because copper thieves stole the ground wire. He almost has the last of the problems fixed and it should be back. He went on to say that a couple of other transmitter sites along the Cochran Short Route have also had their copper stolen recently.
Well.... It's BACK!
WPGA-LP 50 (analog) is operational again
noticed it last night
post #2045 of 2133
alan
you list 38.1 & 38.2
I assume this is 38.1 (My Family) & 38.2 (Tuff TV) WRWR-LD out of Warner Robins, actual channel is 38
there is also a 38.1 (NBC) and 38.2 (CW Plus) WLTZ out of Columbus, actual channel is 35
Although you probably don't want to, I'm sure you would be more pleased if you went with an outdoor antenna
post #2046 of 2133
voomvoom--yes 38.1&2 Warner Robins is what I'm getting...
I'm happy with what 's coming in except 24&58 are so in and out that they ain't watchable.
Just don't understant why everything comes in good except them. I might could understand 58 because it's a weaker channel.

I have been researching outside antenna...RCA 751R was recommended to me over at tv fool. Trying to figure out how/where I'm gonna put it.

I see your in Lizella, I'm just 5-6 south of there.
post #2047 of 2133
I'm 8 miles from the Macon stations and I turned on my signal indicator today. I noticed 24 and 58 aren't broadcasting at full power for some reason. I usually get 10 out of 10 bars on them. I'm now only getting 5 to 7 bars of power on them.
post #2048 of 2133
Jedi, that could explain why I'm not getting them. I think my tv fool report said I'm about 20 miles away so I am thinking I should get them a LOT better than I am. I believe 13's tower is near them. 13 comes in great with no problems.
post #2049 of 2133
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Originally Posted by Jedi Master View Post

I'm 8 miles from the Macon stations and I turned on my signal indicator today. I noticed 24 and 58 aren't broadcasting at full power for some reason. I usually get 10 out of 10 bars on them. I'm now only getting 5 to 7 bars of power on them.
so you're having that problem also, thought it was me...
channel 24 for me still comes in pretty strong but with dropouts....58 as of late have been more difficult to pull in; so unless they are doing something at the tower site or theres some atmospherical reasoning behind it all
post #2050 of 2133
I checked my signal indicator Saturday and channel 24-1 and 24-2 now have 10 out of 10 bars on it. It looks like channel 24 turned its power back to full strength. But channel 58 still has its power way down. I'm only getting 5 out of 10 bars on it plus the dropouts are terrible. It messing up my Batman and Lost in Space on Saturday night along with a few other shows I copy. And to make things worse WPGA added the "58.2 Perry - Macon" text under the MeTV logo. I know what channel I'm watching and I don't need any more screen clutter!
post #2051 of 2133
Tuned in to WGXA for NASCAR Countdown... and see USC/Syracuse in SD? Rut roh...

My bad... sorta. DISH Network feed switched to SD due to HD signal loss, but OTA is fine in HD.
Edited by oldave - 9/8/12 at 5:16pm
post #2052 of 2133
Alan, did you get 24 to come in for you?? I'm at 41 and russell and as of this morning both channels on 24 went out on me. I have a winegard antenna pointed at ~35 degrees mounted in my attic, which is supposed to be the macon antenna sites. All my channels come in except the 2 24 ones.

Now if I connect a homebuilt UHF antenna i get 13 and 24 but non of the others.

Anyone w/ more knowledge of antennas do you have any info?

Ralph do you know of anything that would cause your stations to drop out?
Edited by mchias1 - 9/9/12 at 7:43am
post #2053 of 2133
Everything was still coming in the same as of last night. I can get 24 and sometimes 58 by moving the antenna, but I lose all the other channels. I don't know why it won't come in any better. I did get a FM trap at R/S but it made no difference what so ever.

My other TV will get 3, 13, 24 real good (99%). 38 WRWR sometimes. Will not get any PBS stations or 58 without moving antenna. You lose all other stations when moving antenna to get them. The antenna I am using in there is a little indoor thing I bought at R/S a few years ago.

I am going to eventually try an outdoor antenna but I guess I will need a rotor so I don't know much about that (yet) LOL. If anybody in the Byron / Lizella area wants to help install it, holler. I think I could get some channels with the right setup.

I just read the rest of your post. I also built a DB4 and a Gray-Hoverman(sp?) 2 weekends ago and they really didn't do any better than the Leaf plus they were very sensitive to direction. So I kinda gave up on that idea. I did take them outside but the results were not much better than inside. I did not get them over about 5 feet in the air.
Edited by alan141 - 9/10/12 at 2:28pm
post #2054 of 2133
Oh yeah, I get 41 very well also...
post #2055 of 2133
Do you guys ever pull in Atlanta down there, or is it too far?
post #2056 of 2133
Believe it or not I can get some Atl stations sometimes, but it's like the rest of my situation. I get them by moving the antenna but I would lose the stations that come in the best. I believe with an outside antenna and a rotor I could get some Atl stations pretty reliable.

Some of the ones I remember seeing are 2, 5, 17, 46, 54 or 55 and a PBS. They won't come in 24/7, so I don't really try them that much.
post #2057 of 2133
I've never received any ATL stations, but I've never pointed my antenna that way. I'm just trying to get all the Macon stations reliably, which I was doing until sunday morning. :-( I need to switch my antennas again this afternoon to see if it may have been a weather related thing.
post #2058 of 2133
switched out my antennas this evening. all my channels are back. must have been some anomaly with the weather sunday morning that was keeping me from getting ABC and FOX on 24. :-/
post #2059 of 2133
http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d99001c954883d8

Picked up a RCA 751R a couple days ago and got it hooked up this morning. Installed it near where Dish comes in house and just put RG6 onto grounding block under house where the satellite cable went into. I actually have the antenna pointed at Columbus (which puts Macon directly behind it). I am now getting all Macon stations with no dropouts so far.

Macon is coming in at 4 to 7 bars on signal strength meter on my Samsung.
I am getting Columbus (3, 9 & 28) with 10 of 10 bars. I hope it stays as good as I've got right now. Maybe with a little placement and tweaking I can get more!

Seems like the 751 is pretty good so far.
post #2060 of 2133
A few days ago channel 58 turned their power up a little and I get 8 out of 10 bars on my signal indicator. The drop outs are gone and my shows on MeTV Saturday were back to normal.
post #2061 of 2133
Does anyone know for sure if the stations are running at non-standard power levels, or is everybody just going by the signal meter on their receivers?
It might be due to something like transmitter or antenna maintenance.
It might also just be due to weather and propagation effects?
post #2062 of 2133
I don't know know one way or another what' up but I can get Macon right now (last several days) on the tv with the leaf antenna. This weekend I got the bigger tv hooked up to outside antenna and they are coming in real good. Every once and a while 24.1&2 will flake out briefly, but they are coming in better than my original post.

24 is supposedly 1000 kw, the strongest around but it seems to have the most dropouts. Maybe maintenance issues? 41&13 are around 100 &50 kw supposedly but they come in all the time and rarely flake out. It takes some weather to make them do it.

58 is coming in most of the time, but it is still probably the weakest.
Edited by alan141 - 9/19/12 at 1:22pm
post #2063 of 2133
I was able to pick up WGXA when we were transmitting at 250 watts. I live in Byron. You should have no problem picking us up in Byron. Unless you're behind a hill, or in a hole, but it's pretty flat around Byron. There is no known problem with our transmitter at this time.

Ralph Carson
A.C.E.
WGXA
post #2064 of 2133
Just noticed WPGA 58.1 is showing ACC Football
This must be the only HD show they have?
It is pixelating badly, I'm sure it's not my TV
I can turn the antenna to Atlanta and see CW69, which also has ACC Football
It drops out frequent in daytime, but when signal is there it's solid
Can't say the same for 58.1 though
58.2 MeTV and 58.3 Bounce both have solid picture
At least they have a program that's HD now
Hopefully it's the start of more to come......
I'm not going to hold my breath though

In the time it's taken me to write this
the picture is looking a little better now
maybe they'll keep it together?
post #2065 of 2133
24 & 58 have been coming in good for the past week.
Getting outside antenna must be making the difference.

Does anyone know if it would be possible to pick up some Atlanta stations using a second antenna.? In the early morning I can usually pick up 17 and 69. Any recommendations on if/how appreciated.
post #2066 of 2133
Propaganda from DISH Network, concerning WMAZ and other Gannett stations, in the paper this morning:

http://www.macon.com/2012/10/05/2202558/dish-customers-may-be-blocked.html
post #2067 of 2133
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Originally Posted by kenglish View Post

Propaganda from DISH Network, concerning WMAZ and other Gannett stations, in the paper this morning:
http://www.macon.com/2012/10/05/2202558/dish-customers-may-be-blocked.html
Ugh... these retrans disagreements are getting old.

Here's the reality... local television stations depend on ad revenue to survive. When people skip commercials, fewer see the spots, and advertisers know it's happening, so they demand lower rates. And get them.

So that means the local station has less money to maintain/improve equipment, pay the light bill, pay salaries and so on.

The local stations then have to find ways to generate more revenue.

They can't charge people who watch their over-the-air signal. So they work out retransmission agreements with cable and satellite providers... those distributors pay a per-subscriber fee to the local television station, which makes up, sorta, for the lost ad revenue.

Then along comes a new technology that ensures NONE of the ads on the local station will be seen. Even lower advertising revenues for the station - if I were advertising, I sure wouldn't pay full rate card (yeah, I know, rate cards are fiction anyway, nobody pays that), and would demand even deeper discounts because I *know* fewer people will see my ad.

So that's where Gannett is coming from in this disagreement. They want more per subscriber, because it's almost like a premium channel with no commercials at all.

TANSTAAFL. To watch local stations, you're going to pay, one way or the other... either by watching ads, or paying more cash.

Distributors say "look, we just provide the channel, what viewers do with it is up to them, we're not going to pay more because they skip your commercials." But they will... distributors are at a disadvantage, because people think they can't get those channels in any other way and demand that their cable or satellite company provide those channels to them. Look at all the angst online about some markets losing NBC, some losing CBS... "OMG, life is over, I can't watch an NFL game."

But here's the fly in the ointment... some DVRs can receive the free, over the air broadcast. And record it. Then, when the programming is viewed... the viewer can STILL skip the commercials! I know, because I do exactly that.

The only way to solve that is to outlaw recording broadcast television - if you want to watch the program, you will sit through the commercials.

In order for advertising supported television to continue, it will be necessary to disable commercial skipping devices. Because technology is going to continue to advance.

Another problem for local stations is their own networks... with just a couple of clicks, I can watch almost every network program online via the networks' own websites... free and legally. Oh, sure, I can't skip the ads when I view the program online! But that doesn't put a single red cent in the bank account of the local stations.

Local broadcast television is in trouble. It relies on a business model that's unsustainable in the face of technology. The only way to save the business model is legislation... and it may be the only way to save local broadcast television will be via legislation to control what viewers are able to do with the content they receive.
post #2068 of 2133
I think the best thing broadcasters could do is start randomly delaying the times of their network programming. Start the show, today, at 8 seconds late. Tomorrow, start it 40 seconds late. Throw in an extra commercial here and there, too. Make it different on every affiliate, every day.

DISH just monitors the major networks, marks the in and out times of breaks, and feeds that info out to the hoppers. If the times were all over the place, they'd get so many complaints that they'd have to throw in the towel. Or, they'd have to hire people to constantly monitor every single local station in every market, every day.
post #2069 of 2133
BTW, I sometimes think that the broadcasters are just going to have to stop relying on advertising at all, and just have the taxpayers pay the stations' expenses and profits eek.gif .
But, I think we'll see product placements and on-screen advertising "snipes" before that happens.
post #2070 of 2133
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But here's the fly in the ointment... some DVRs can receive the free, over the air broadcast. And record it. Then, when the programming is viewed... the viewer can STILL skip the commercials! I know, because I do exactly that.

VCRs have been doing this since the 80s so its nothing new.
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