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post #1 of 28
Thread Starter 
Currently still rocking an Infocus X1. I know, its well past time to upgrade.
Leaning toward the Epson 8350, but I'm a little concerned about the low light output in cinema mode. Looks like its under 500 lumens. I think my X1 is actually higher than that. I do have a totally light controlled room, but would like to be able to have some lights on in the back of the room when watching football. Also would like to have a small amount of light for movies as well. Should I be concerned about this? Are there any other PJ's that I should consider for under $1500? My PJ needs to be 17 feet from the screen, and it would take some work to move it forward, so I'd rather not.
Any help would be great.
Thanks
post #2 of 28
The 8350 is plenty bright, much brighter than the X1 as I remember. It will handle a few lights on in the room and give a decent picture. It will blow your mind compared to your old X1.

That having been said, the high lumens bargain is the BenQ w6000. I have never seen one, but people report tht it is BRIGHT.
post #3 of 28
If you're content with the motion of the X1, I would pass on the 8350. This projector has a bit of motion blur. It would be plenty bright though.

The Benq w6000 or Acer 9500 could be a better option. The Mitsubishi 4000 is another option.
post #4 of 28
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the replies. I guess I'll have to look into the motion blur some more. That would bother me. I can see the RBE on my X1 though and that bothers me too. I may have to consider moving the PJ forward to go with DLP again. That could suck. The Mitsubishi 4000 get some really good reviews.
post #5 of 28
Maybe a refurb Epson 6500ub could work for you? It has FI to help with sports and MUCH better contrast than the 8350. It comes with the same 2 year warranty. The LG 181 is in your price range. Projector people was running a special on them as well. It is nice and bright.
post #6 of 28
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Originally Posted by Joesyah View Post

Maybe a refurb Epson 6500ub could work for you? It has FI to help with sports and MUCH better contrast than the 8350. It comes with the same 2 year warranty. The LG 181 is in your price range. Projector people was running a special on them as well. It is nice and bright.


Sports are fantastic on my 6500ub and I'm coming from a Mits WD65c9 which was fantastic as well.
post #7 of 28
Thread Starter 
Maybe I should spring for the 8700ub? It is 120hz correct? Will that help the motion blur a lot? Is it worth the extra $? Or should I stick to dlp?
post #8 of 28
Hmmm, I guess I have motion blur that I'm unable to see after watching 15 hours of football over the last two days. Coming from DLP, I would think this blur would be evident to me.
post #9 of 28
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Originally Posted by clubwerks View Post

Hmmm, I guess I have motion blur that I'm unable to see after watching 15 hours of football over the last two days. Coming from DLP, I would think this blur would be evident to me.

I do not doubt you, fact I have watched some LCD displays and had a hard time noticing it myself so would consider that display for myself.
So now the science part. From my little research (google and the internet never lies ) The info is the current 240hz LCD's can change a pixel in 2ms or .002 seconds. DLP can change a pixel in 8micro seconds/.008ms or .000008 seconds.
Add in processing time and the science is there that LCD will have motion blur before DLP, processing speeds being the same that is. That said both DLP and LCD pixel reaction times are sufficient with our viewing frequency but processing adds time to that and is where it becomes a problem or not.
post #10 of 28
Thread Starter 
Ok, after doing more research, I've stumbled across the Benq w6000. Amazon has is for $1350. It sounds like a hell of a PJ, especially for that price. I don't know anything about Benq. Are they decent? I'm also considering the Mits HC4000. I may just have to move everything forward, so for now I'm throwing mounting location out and just trying to find the best PJ for under $1500. I'm open to anything now. I'm gonna try to go compare LCD to DLP this weekend. I'm a little concerned about RBE on DLP as I do see it on the X1, but it's only a 2x color wheel, so hopefully that won't be an issue.
post #11 of 28
I've had an 8100 and have the 6500 now. I can turn my rear lights on and it's fine. Of coarse I've got cans on dimmers so the light doesn't shine directly on the screen which helps a lot.

The 6500 has a noticeably better picture then the 8100 (which is similar to the 8350).
post #12 of 28
Thread Starter 
Any more thoughts on the Benq W6000? The price is still $1350 at amazon. From what I'm reading, nothing can touch it for that price. Are there any downsides to it that I should consider, or is it just too good to pass up for that price?
post #13 of 28
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Originally Posted by jkohn1 View Post

Any more thoughts on the Benq W6000? The price is still $1350 at amazon. From what I'm reading, nothing can touch it for that price. Are there any downsides to it that I should consider, or is it just too good to pass up for that price?

How can you say nothing can touch it? The refurb 6500ub has more contrast, twice the warranty, and is only $949! With a light controlled room there's no need for a pj with 2500 lumen.
post #14 of 28
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Originally Posted by jkohn1 View Post

Currently still rocking an Infocus X1. I know, its well past time to upgrade.
Leaning toward the Epson 8350, but I'm a little concerned about the low light output in cinema mode. Looks like its under 500 lumens. I think my X1 is actually higher than that. I do have a totally light controlled room, but would like to be able to have some lights on in the back of the room when watching football. Also would like to have a small amount of light for movies as well. Should I be concerned about this? Are there any other PJ's that I should consider for under $1500? My PJ needs to be 17 feet from the screen, and it would take some work to move it forward, so I'd rather not.
Any help would be great.
Thanks

Jkohn1, I can relate to your dilema. I wanted to upgrade from a Panasonic
AX200u to true 1080, as much or more lumens and better contrast/blacks.
The Epson 8350 was my first consideration and then I was "lured" to
the Epson 5010, the new Panasonic, and the new Mitisubishi. After much
consternation, I ordered the new Panasonic AR100u thinking that if I didn't
like it, I'd send it back. The more we watch it, the better we like it. It
is definitely an upgrade from our 4 year old model. Not a PJ for a "bat cave"
but in big room with ambient light it has sharper focus, brighter, better
contrast, better blacks, more "pop" and I had enough money left to get
a new Oppo BR and still spent less than originally planned. Good Luck
post #15 of 28
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Originally Posted by man4mopar View Post

I do not doubt you, fact I have watched some LCD displays and had a hard time noticing it myself so would consider that display for myself.
So now the science part. From my little research (google and the internet never lies ) The info is the current 240hz LCD's can change a pixel in 2ms or .002 seconds. DLP can change a pixel in 8micro seconds/.008ms or .000008 seconds.
Add in processing time and the science is there that LCD will have motion blur before DLP, processing speeds being the same that is. That said both DLP and LCD pixel reaction times are sufficient with our viewing frequency but processing adds time to that and is where it becomes a problem or not.

I guess we need a sarcasm font.
post #16 of 28
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Greg_63 View Post

How can you say nothing can touch it? The refurb 6500ub has more contrast, twice the warranty, and is only $949! With a light controlled room there's no need for a pj with 2500 lumen.

Not my words man. That's just what I read in several places online.

I think I've ruled out the 8350. Gonna try to see some in person soon, but now I'm leaning toward DLP. Any info or advice on the Mits HC4000?
post #17 of 28
Thread Starter 
Ok, I'm resurrecting this thread.
I've read several times online that the HC4000 has only OK black levels. This is really the only thing holding me back on this PJ. My question is this. Can anyone tell me how the blacks would compare to the X1?
Unfortunately this is the only comparison I have since no local stores have the HC4000. In fact they don't even have a single DLP projector. Any insight on this would be great.

The things keeping me from the W6000 are the iris (seems like the brightness changes are noticeable and I think that would bother me) and the need for calibration. It sounds like the HC4000 is very good without calibration. I like that. Any insight on these points would be great as well.

Thanks.
post #18 of 28
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Originally Posted by jkohn1 View Post

Ok, I'm resurrecting this thread.
I've read several times online that the HC4000 has only OK black levels. This is really the only thing holding me back on this PJ. My question is this. Can anyone tell me how the blacks would compare to the X1?
Unfortunately this is the only comparison I have since no local stores have the HC4000. In fact they don't even have a single DLP projector. Any insight on this would be great.

The things keeping me from the W6000 are the iris (seems like the brightness changes are noticeable and I think that would bother me) and the need for calibration. It sounds like the HC4000 is very good without calibration. I like that. Any insight on these points would be great as well.

Thanks.

from everything i've read, the hc4000 has excellent black levels for an entry-level projector. maybe the people saying they're just ok are comparing it to projectors that cost much more?
post #19 of 28
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by J3553 View Post

from everything i've read, the hc4000 has excellent black levels for an entry-level projector. maybe the people saying they're just ok are comparing it to projectors that cost much more?

I was wondering the same thing, about comparing it to more expensive pj's, that's why I was hoping to get a comparison with the X1 so I have some kind of reference point. If someone has seen both, even just saying the HC4000 is significantly better would be enough for me. If it's about the same as the X1 then I may pass.
post #20 of 28
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Originally Posted by jkohn1 View Post

I was wondering the same thing, about comparing it to more expensive pj's, that's why I was hoping to get a comparison with the X1 so I have some kind of reference point. If someone has seen both, even just saying the HC4000 is significantly better would be enough for me. If it's about the same as the X1 then I may pass.

i haven't seen them side-by-side, but i have an extremely hard time believing the hc4000 wouldn't be a pretty massive improvement over the x1 in every way. aside form black levels, the bump in resolution, lumens, contrast, connectivity, etc. would be worth the money to me if i were in your position. just my opinion though...
post #21 of 28
All the reviews I've read state that the HC4000 has less than stellar blacks. It's usually listed as a negative for the projector. Since I was considering one I read every single thing I could find on it.

I opted for the 8350 and I've been totally impressed with this sub $1300 3LCD projector. Has pretty good blacks at this price point. The guy that mentioned the 8350 suffers from motion blur might not have seen one in action. Being a gamer and sports fan I can say I have not noticed any motion blur yet. Not at all.
post #22 of 28
Just a heads up since your looking for a projector under $1500, this is a great deal to snatch up the 3010 for $1349. Its Out of stock, but will be shipped when stock is received. This price may not last long so act fast! You can find it under the new tab, sold by (amazon) and not a 3rd party.Epson 3010 $1350 (NEW) With free shipping
post #23 of 28
I been shopping hard for a few weeks for a projector in the same range. I found a LG cf 181 d for 1499 from PP and includes an extra lamp. IT has good reviews most sites are selling it over 2k also even on Amazon
post #24 of 28
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the suggestions everyone, but I think I want to stick with DLP. Motion blur and jerkiness with CFI concerns me a lot. I was able to see an Epson 9350 and 9700 locally and I noticed a fair amount of jerkiness on both. I didn't like it.
Still hoping to hear from someone who has seen both the X1 and HC4000.
Otherwise I might just buy it from Amazon and return it if I'm not happy.
post #25 of 28
I just made a thread that might help some people get a quickie look at certain strengths of certain Projectors:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1391476
post #26 of 28
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

I just made a thread that might help some people get a quickie look at certain strengths of certain Projectors:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1391476

Great thread. Lots of great info there. Thanks.
I would still really love to hear from someone who has seen the X1 and the HC4000. Anyone?
post #27 of 28
There is no comparison between the x1 and Mits hc4000, it would be a huge upgrade.
post #28 of 28
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

There is no comparison between the x1 and Mits hc4000, it would be a huge upgrade.

Thanks.
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