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post #31 of 67
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Originally Posted by MasterofBlasting View Post

If these speakers were $350 when I first auditioned them, I would have still gotten them. But, knowing that just over the border they can be purchased for $150, and at times, $250 cheaper, it would be hard to stomach that buy. I'd say the sound alone, makes these speakers worth your cost options.

Maybe you could find a new pair on ebay? Perhaps someone here could buy a pair, and sell it to you through ebay. Not sure what shipping would be, but I can't imagine it would be more than what you'd pay to buy from the Canadian dealer.

I'd do it, but I live well over 1500 miles from the border.

I understand you are far. Thanks for thinking of me anyways. Reason things are more expensive in Canada is we have 10x less people so we sell 10x less of things so they have to charge more to make it worth their while selling here.

So you definitely recommend the towers over the 41lr bookshelves? I have never seen anyone "professionally" review the towers but at least 3 reputable and well known internationally renowned magazines/websites have reviewed the bookshelves and said they were awesome. I still can't figure out why no home theater magazine/website will review the towers.

But you would definitely say the towers are way better? I mean simple laws of physics would suggest that since there is more to the speaker the towers would be better but... if the design isn't as good... know what I mean?
post #32 of 67
The center channel is every bit as good as the 41lr bookshelves....
post #33 of 67
Update...

I decided against the Pioneers. I walked in to my local brick and mortar shop and heard the Boston Acoustics A 360's... at $800 a pair. These speakers sounded $2000 a pair. The mid-range and mid-bass were incredible. I would highly recommend checking these out. With taxes speaker stands shipping etc... the Pioneers would have ran me $650 for the bookshelves and center. The Boston Acoustics would be like only like $600 more for the towers and center when done and they sounded so good.
post #34 of 67
NewEgg has the bookshelf and center speakers discounted again:

Pioneer SP-BS21-LR Bookshelf Loudspeakers Pair $49.99 EMCNHNG64
Pioneer SP-C21 Center Channel Speaker $49.99 EMCNHNG32
Pioneer SW-8 100W Powered Subwoofer $79.99 EMCNHNG29
post #35 of 67
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Originally Posted by AJCxZ0 View Post

NewEgg has the bookshelf and center speakers discounted again:

Pioneer SP-BS21-LR Bookshelf Loudspeakers Pair $49.99 EMCNHNG64
Pioneer SP-C21 Center Channel Speaker $49.99 EMCNHNG32
Pioneer SW-8 100W Powered Subwoofer $79.99 EMCNHNG29

Pulled the trigger on these today. Bought two pairs of the SP-BS21-LR Bookshelf, the Center and sub for $229.96 shipped. When the put the FS 51 floorstanders back on sale at $99 I'll grab them to make this a 7.1 setup.
post #36 of 67
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Originally Posted by foxcd1 View Post

Pulled the trigger on these today. Bought two pairs of the SP-BS21-LR Bookshelf, the Center and sub for $229.96 shipped. When the put the FS 51 floorstanders back on sale at $99 I'll grab them to make this a 7.1 setup.

I did the same minus the sub. I already have one. $150 shipped for a good 5.0 system. I'll add the towers once they go on sale again to complete my $250 7.0 system.
post #37 of 67
For the money on sale these are nice LITTLE speakers, but there not the real deal. There pioneer's own knock offs of the real deal.... Just check pioneer website....
But for the money, there good...
post #38 of 67
Pioneer site says the 21s are designed by Andrew Jones just like the 41s

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...ers/SP-BS21-LR
post #39 of 67
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Originally Posted by calstudios View Post

Pioneer site says the 21s are designed by Andrew Jones just like the 41s

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...ers/SP-BS21-LR

Yeah. Check out the CNet review of the 5.1 setup with the 21s they raved. They are designed by Andrew Jones and sound great at the price point. For the money
you won't find better speakers.
post #40 of 67
These speakers are so cheap. Been on sale for about two months now $284 at Bestbuy for towers, bookshelves and center. Can't beat that combo price in store. These were on sale even way before newegg had them in stock. I heard they sound superb if you buy them as a set. I returned mine because of the reviews on the Monitor70s and CS2 sale from newegg. Now i'm starting to wonder if I should have went for the pioneers. Already have a Pioneer vsx-1021 receiver.


http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Pioneer+...kers&lp=6&cp=1
post #41 of 67
This would go great with my Pioneer set up that I'm building for my home theater. Great link!
post #42 of 67
A quick question and my first post on this board so consider the newbie source...

These appear to have a port on the back; if I flush mount them to a wall (not in a wall and not with a typical wall bracket that allows 3" - 4" of clearance, but literally flush against a wall) will this hamper the sound b/c of the port being covered up? I will use a powered subwoofer matched to this speaker.

Thanks, let the tomatoes fly...

I'm searching this site now (like I should have earlier) and getting some info that I shouldn't do this if ported on the back. Any additional info still welcome of course!
post #43 of 67
What a deal! Ok so in my basement I have a projection HT setup with a 7.1 arrangement of Ascend speakers and twin Hsu subwoofers.

These Pioneers are my upstairs family room setup used with the 52" LCD panel above a fireplace, so it's the secondary setup. This is where I do casual viewing while eating, etc, but it's also the room where I listen to music because the acoustics in the room are just accidentally excellent. If I'm entertaining, the music in on here.

I already had the sp-bs41-lr bookshelves (the 5.25" woofers) in here as stereo speakers and LOVE them. Never even mind the price, they are just lovely to listen to. Add how cheap they were, and wow...it's really impressive. They are never tiring and I never sit there the whole time noticing their faults, like other speakers I've had.

So I jumped on this deal, picked up the sp-bs21-lr to use as satellites and the matching sp-c21 center. I figured for the price, why not have 5.1 in here? I even bought another sp-bs21-or to use on the second floor. You're never going to get anything superior to these for the price of a pizza dinner.

ONE day after the promo ended, I realized the towers were part of the promo (the didn't show the code on their page so I figured they we excluded)! Darn it! So I went over to Best Buy and told them my tale of woe and charmed them down to an out the door price just a bit over the online deal.

I now have a ridiculous pile 'o speakers to show for it. Question is this: if I use the floor standing units in place of my sp-bs41-lr "large bookshelves" do you think I can forego a subwoofer? Tis isn't my theater room, and I really didn't want equipment friggin everywhere. The only reason I even decided to go for satellites and a center was the ridiculous cost-to-quality ratio represented here.

What's the overall difference you get between the big bookshelves and the towers? The towers have two more 5.25" drivers each. Does this just mean you can get more undistored volume from them? Or will I get more low end?

The other question is, if I really do /need/ a sub in a room like the one described...should it be the matching Pioneer one? How good is that thing?

One last point, the bookshelves sit on the fireplace mantel, right up against the wall. Not ideal I know. The floorstanders would still be in a corner, but definitely away the walls a bit with some breathing room...a foot or two away from each wall. I guess I could buy stands for the bookshelves, but uh, then we'd be talking the same price as the floorstanders...
post #44 of 67
Okay maybe I'm crazy, but I'm doing an A-B now, and even with both of them on the floor, I seem to actually prefer the bs41 bookshelves against the fs51 floorstanders.

I even tried driving the flooorstanders a bit louder just to compensate for any difference in efficiency.

Maybe I'm just really used to my bs41's?

I can say at least that there is very little difference between these two. Not even in bass response. It seems just a cosmetic choice at this point.
post #45 of 67
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Originally Posted by Samurai Jack View Post

Okay maybe I'm crazy, but I'm doing an A-B now, and even with both of them on the floor, I seem to actually prefer the bs41 bookshelves against the fs51 floorstanders.

I even tried driving the flooorstanders a bit louder just to compensate for any difference in efficiency.

Maybe I'm just really used to my bs41's?

I can say at least that there is very little difference between these two. Not even in bass response. It seems just a cosmetic choice at this point.

The FS 51s weren't part of the sale this time. Only the Center and the BS21s. How in the world were you able to haggle with BB for them??
post #46 of 67
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Originally Posted by foxcd1 View Post

The FS 51s weren't part of the sale this time. Only the Center and the BS21s. How in the world were you able to haggle with BB for them??

BB will haggle just in general. I told them about the NewEgg deal, and just asked, how close can you guys get so I can buy locally? They're getting a lot of competition lately from the likes of Tigerdirect outlet stores and hhgregg. They seemed hungry. Even the guy selling them was like "I can't even buy them for this much as an employee!"

Maybe I was just extra charming this week.

Still wondering about that sub.

Btw, I had a musician friend come over and evaluate the towers vs. the bookshelves. His better ear pointed out the the tower has sounds that have "room to dissipate" where the bookshelves sounded a bit more "boxed in" and a bit more taxing for it...a little clipped and a little more harsh. To him it was a pretty significant difference. While I can certainly hear it, I don't find it to be night and day. But there you have it.
post #47 of 67
post #48 of 67
Doing a budget (5.1) setup with a onkyo TX-NR609 (or maybe 509). I was waiting for a Newegg deal to pick up a Polk CS1 with some Monitor 30/40s, but this popped up.

I noticed the Polks are an 8 Ohm set while the Pioneers are 6. Won't I lose some power? Using it mostly for movies and room is not large -- inside a highrise townhouse.

Is the Pioneer a better value at this price?
post #49 of 67
Most amplifiers produce more power (and run hotter) at lower ohms, but the difference between 8 and 6 will be negligible. I bought my Pioneer set at Best Buy for $285 after missing out on the original Newegg sale. At $285 it was still an excellent value, for $220 shipped from Newegg its outstanding.
post #50 of 67
How do u like them piening2150, im expecting mine monday
post #51 of 67
I'm very happy with them. I was looking for reasonably small (well, except for the center channel) matching speakers and my budget was very tight. After doing a lot of research and reading reviews online I picked them up at Best Buy figuring I could take them back if I wasn't happy. Needless to say they stayed.
post #52 of 67
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Originally Posted by piening2150 View Post

Most amplifiers produce more power (and run hotter) at lower ohms, but the difference between 8 and 6 will be negligible. I bought my Pioneer set at Best Buy for $285 after missing out on the original Newegg sale. At $285 it was still an excellent value, for $220 shipped from Newegg its outstanding.

In relation to to Ohm's Law, a 6 Ohm speaker will ALWAYS dissipate more power than an 8 ohm speaker due to the fact that P=V^2/R.
post #53 of 67
Tried to get the local Bestbuy to come close to this and they basically just looked at me like I was crazy.

I'm wondering if the Sub is worth it or if I should just get the 5.0 and get a better sub. Its only $80 but its so small.
post #54 of 67
I returned my best buy 5.0 package $285 ($305 w/tax.) They asked why? I said I found them online a lot cheaper so I ordered them. They said you shouldn't have bought them, we can give you deal. I said, you guys don't match online retailers do you? They said not normally, but what are they selling them for.

Center $49
BS $49 /pair
FS51 $100 /pair

all with no tax or shipping.

They stopped talking to me and credited my card.
post #55 of 67
Is anyone able to do a comparison with the Jamo 5.0 setup (S606-HCS3)?

It seems they're a comparable price normally ($380 vs $400), but since these are on sale, is it worth getting the Pioneers instead?
post #56 of 67
I was debating the same thing, but at half the price, I went with the pioneers. I really liked the black finish on the jamos though. Mine are still in the box as I am finishing my living room at the moment.
post #57 of 67
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Originally Posted by Fishfund View Post

I returned my best buy 5.0 package $285 ($305 w/tax.) They asked why? I said I found them online a lot cheaper so I ordered them. They said you shouldn't have bought them, we can give you deal. I said, you guys don't match online retailers do you? They said not normally, but what are they selling them for.

Center $49
BS $49 /pair
FS51 $100 /pair

all with no tax or shipping.

They stopped talking to me and credited my card.

I begged them saying I wanted to support local business and they said thanks but the best they could do was $420 for the FS package with sub, not bad but about $100 more than newegg. The BB here is crap.

I didn't get the SW-8 sub so what should I look at for one to go with my 5.0? I want something a fair bit larger than the 50 watt 8" SW-8.
post #58 of 67
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Originally Posted by ScaryFatKidGT View Post

I begged them saying I wanted to support local business and they said thanks but the best they could do was $420 for the FS package with sub, not bad but about $100 more than newegg. The BB here is crap.

I didn't get the SW-8 sub so what should I look at for one to go with my 5.0? I want something a fair bit larger than the 50 watt 8" SW-8.

Try the BIC F12 is relatively cheap for a really good subwoofer.
post #59 of 67
Or for $90 more than the F12 ($190 vs $280 shipped), get BIC's flagship sub, the PL-200 from Acoustic Sound Design using code "TV15."
post #60 of 67
Got a pair of the 21s, so far these are better than the Dayton $40, Polk R150, Sony $40 and i have the $50 Monoprice on the way from MP.

At first when that guy said he liked the floorstanders better than the Monitor 60 i was like "no way!!!" but after hearing just the base model Pioneer i don't doubt him. It looks like i will have to have a shoot out between the 51LR - M60 and maybe even the Monitor 40 - 41LR for my bedroom. Amazing speakers for the price. I'm curious to see how they would fare against the R50s from the other living room.
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