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canI mix a sealed with a ported?

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
Hi all,
I ha already realized a sealed sub with dayton ref 10 RF sub, sealed cab , 1,5cuf.
Amplifier i a OAudio 500.
Can I add in parallel to the same amplifier a ported sub with the same speaker, different box size naturally. I found the single not being enough and the box is in a inwall fix installation I cannot move anymore.
Thanks Marco
post #2 of 15
The impedance will be different at different frequencies and will send wonky amounts of power to each sub. You could go 2 sealed of the same enslosure size. Or get another amp.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
post #3 of 15
You're not wrong, TC.
But also consider all the phase problems introduced between a sealed and ported sub playing the same frequencies in the same room.
post #4 of 15
I have ported full range mains and a sealed sub, In phase @ 80hz and out of phase @ 40hz. I needed to set the Xoxer at 80hz( THX setting). Running my mains at full range with the sub doesn't work in this case!!!
post #5 of 15
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Originally Posted by tuxedocivic View Post

The impedance will be different at different frequencies and will send wonky amounts of power to each sub.

You're right, but it doesn't matter, as speakers are driven by voltage swing, not power, and voltage swing is a constant into any impedance. The issue here is phase response, which will be radically different between the two cabs. The OP should just duplicate the existing cab.
post #6 of 15
Has a better chance of working if the port tuning freq is in the rolloff range of the sealed one
post #7 of 15
I would do 2 of the same but of course you can mix 2 different designs. You'll need something like a DCX2496 to set them up properly but it can work great if done right. I've done it for years, even now I'm running 6 sea;led subs and 4 subs in an IB. Took some time to get it setup properly but after I did, they will bring the house down and sound great doing it.
post #8 of 15
Thread Starter 
thanks guys, I see the problem. I'll then duplicate the sealed box. Marco
post #9 of 15
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Originally Posted by airliner View Post

Hi all,
I ha already realized a sealed sub with dayton ref 10 RF sub, sealed cab , 1,5cuf.
Amplifier i a OAudio 500.
Can I add in parallel to the same amplifier a ported sub with the same speaker, different box size naturally. I found the single not being enough and the box is in a inwall fix installation I cannot move anymore.
Thanks Marco

Don't shoot the messenger.

The RSS265 drivers are 4 ohm nominal. Parallel wiring a pair will show the OAudio a 2 ohm load, but it's only spec'd for 4 ohm or greater operation. It may not have problems at low volumes, but once you start to get on it a bit, it'll likely self protect (best case). OTOH, the OAudio is rated at 325 watts into 8 ohms, so series wiring would yield ~160 watts per driver.

From the OAudio 500's manual:
"Damage caused by low impedance loads are not covered by the warranty." Where low impedance is defined as any nominal load <4 ohms.

-Brent
post #10 of 15
Thread Starter 
I am using the 8ohm version.
So it would be 4ohm if used in parallel, and each sub should see ~250W, the speaker is rated 350w.
post #11 of 15
I had no issues mixing ported subs with passive radiator, but I had zero luck mixing sealed with either.
post #12 of 15
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Originally Posted by airliner View Post

I am using the 8ohm version.
So it would be 4ohm if used in parallel, and each sub should see ~250W, the speaker is rated 350w.

Sorry but that amp will not output 500 real watts. I have had 2 of them in the past, good plate amps but nothing special. need to mod them for under 25hz.
post #13 of 15
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Originally Posted by airliner View Post

I am using the 8ohm version.
So it would be 4ohm if used in parallel, and each sub should see ~250W, the speaker is rated 350w.

My bad. I didn't realize they'd made an 8 ohm version of the 10"...even checked the P-E 10" sub page before posting, but must have skimmed it too quickly.

-Brent
post #14 of 15
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Originally Posted by N8DOGG View Post

Sorry but that amp will not output 500 real watts. I have had 2 of them in the past, good plate amps but nothing special. need to mod them for under 25hz.

I think you have your amps confused. Airliner's OAudio is good for 450ish per Chas' test, which is a bit more severe than the protocols typically used when an OEM spec's power output. In typical real world use, I'd expect the OAudio to easily meet the spec.

Even the P-E BASH500, which I believe you're thinking of, now comes with a more subwoofer friendly HPF so no modification necessary if you want the f3=18hz/Q=1 also found in the BASH300.

-Brent
post #15 of 15
Doesn't geddes theory of multiple subs say that multiple you can not only mix different sizes but also ported and sealed?

I am currently running an 8 and a 12 for smoothing with nice results.
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