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post #31 of 182
Can you use multiple receivers with one hdbaset transmitter to distribute video over it?
post #32 of 182
HDBaseT is capable of sending the same signal to multiple daisy-chained displays. This is one of its advantages for commercial installations. It is also capable of sending multiple signals to different displays over a single cable. There isn't any hardware that takes advantage of the latter yet.
post #33 of 182
Thanks Colm, I will touch base with the mono price folks and see if they have additional receivers for their unit available, tho would be exactly what I have been looking for!
post #34 of 182
You might want to ask specifically if their product will do what you want. HDBaseT is capable of supporting it. Whether a given product is capable or not is a different question. It is kind of like asking can HDMI support 1080p60 3D. The answer is yes. But not all equipment can support the required bit rate. You may have to look at products designed for the commercial market to get the functionality you want.
post #35 of 182
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HDBaseT Lite - New CEPro article which talks about the struggles of HDBaseT and a new iteration of it to attempt to reduce size and cost.
post #36 of 182
My house is pretty much the worst case scenario for HDBaseT. Everything ran to the master closet on the 2nd floor in a 3600sqft house but I wanted it all in the garage so I pulled everything up to the attic then ran an additional 50ft of cable to the garage for every port in the house.

So the circuit path goes HDBaseT->Wall Jack->cat5e to attic->patch panel->cat6 to garage->patch panel->HDBaseT. So no chance in the world HDBaseT is going to work right, I would be lucky if I could get a good 10BaseT signal going.

I bought two HDBaseT products anyways, the KanexPro and the Atlona.

As HDMI extenders both work great and have performed flawlessly over the past 3 months I have owned them.

The Atlona however does not pass through ethernet reliably. It can barely make a dhcp connection, let alone stream anything. No difference if it's 300 feet or even just 2 feet of cat6 patch cable, ethernet doesn't work. The picture and sound however are flawless, as is is the bidirectional IR.

The KanexPro does a decent job of passing through ethernet and the picture is the same as the Atlona but the lack of bidirectional IR is annoying. The Atlona currently goes to a 55" LCD in the bedroom and the KanexPro goes to 1920x1200 monitor for a computer, with a TiVo, HTPC, and Office PC plugged into a cheapo 4x4 monoprice switch.

I need a third and soon a 4th extender so I am going to try the Monoprice ethernet version next. The Atlona and KanexPro both went up in price by almost a $100 since I bought them...
post #37 of 182
Another CES has come and gone without a major CE manufacturer adopting HDBaseT, just an announcement of a cheaper chip set with reduced capabilities. Seems like HDBaseT is destined for the niche CE market of HDMI extenders and maybe high end products installed by pros. I don't see how reducing the cost of something that manufacturers apparently don't see as a competitive advantage or required feature in the average TV is going to change anything. I think all the new chip set is going to do is eat into Valens' profit.
post #38 of 182
Just got the Monoprice Ethernet model and it's identical down to the packaging to the KanexPro.

But less than half the price. $200 for a very forgiving one cable solution for HDMI, Ethernet, and IR is pretty good. If the IR was omnidirectional it would be perfect.
post #39 of 182
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Originally Posted by Gendal View Post

Just got the Monoprice Ethernet model and it's identical down to the packaging to the KanexPro.

But less than half the price. $200 for a very forgiving one cable solution for HDMI, Ethernet, and IR is pretty good. If the IR was omnidirectional it would be perfect.

I just ordered one of the monoprice models as well. I hope to split my HDMI from my HTPC to my current display and then to a second display through the HDBaseT extender. Should the HDMI splitter cause any issues with using one of these extenders?
post #40 of 182
Have any of you guys used the Monoprice 4 way HDBaseT splitter? I was thinking of using that to split the signal from my cable box so I can watch football games on all of my TV's at the same time...
post #41 of 182
Haven't tried any splitters, just the Monoprice 4x4 matrix. Works great (after a defective output on port 2 that Monoprice promptly replaced).

I just got my new 65" panny vt30 today and hooked up the new monoprice hdbaset extender and it worked right away.
post #42 of 182
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Originally Posted by kertofer View Post

Have any of you guys used the Monoprice 4 way HDBaseT splitter? I was thinking of using that to split the signal from my cable box so I can watch football games on all of my TV's at the same time...

Are you referring to this splitter?

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

I don't think it uses HDBaseT, since the price is so low. Also, the specs for it say 50 meters, but HDBaseT is supposed to be 100 meters.
post #43 of 182
That is the splitter I am referring too, and in the description it states that it splits 1 input into 4 HDBaseT outputs. As to the difference, I can only suspect that it had something to do with the output power or internal bandwidth of the splitter.
post #44 of 182
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Originally Posted by Erik Garci View Post

Are you referring to this splitter?

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

I don't think it uses HDBaseT, since the price is so low. Also, the specs for it say 50 meters, but HDBaseT is supposed to be 100 meters.

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Originally Posted by kertofer View Post

That is the splitter I am referring too, and in the description it states that it splits 1 input into 4 HDBaseT outputs. As to the difference, I can only suspect that it had something to do with the output power or internal bandwidth of the splitter.

I added links to these splitters (1x4 and 1x8) in the second post. Hopefully somebody will grab them and post a comment on how they work. The one review on monoprice for the 1x4 is strange in that it worked for a 50" tv but not a 60 or 65" tv. Assuming it is passing the same resolution to both TVs I don't know why screen size would have an impact.
post #45 of 182
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Originally Posted by kertofer View Post

That is the splitter I am referring too, and in the description it states that it splits 1 input into 4 HDBaseT outputs. As to the difference, I can only suspect that it had something to do with the output power or internal bandwidth of the splitter.

There is also the issue of price. This splitter costs less than their 1-to-1 HDBaseT kit. I would expect a true HDBaseT splitter to cost much more.
post #46 of 182
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Originally Posted by Gendal View Post

Haven't tried any splitters, just the Monoprice 4x4 matrix. Works great (after a defective output on port 2 that Monoprice promptly replaced).

I just got my new 65" panny vt30 today and hooked up the new monoprice hdbaset extender and it worked right away.

Is this the one you got?

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

I'm in need of 4 in / 3 out with 3D going to at least one TV and I've been looking at this one but not sure if it's what I need or not. How's it working out for you? How is yours setup?
post #47 of 182
Just wanted to report that I also got the new Monoprice HDBase-T extender and it also worked first time out of the box

Uverse/HTPC -> Denon 2310CI -> HDBase-T -> Sharp 60" AQUOS LC-60LE632U

The IR function works flawlessly with the U-Verse box, as well as with the HTPC and Denon.

I still want to split the HDMI signal 1 to 4, but think I'm going to have to wait until HDBase-T splitters become available. If a Monoprice rep is watching this thread, any idea on when this type product will be available?
post #48 of 182
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Originally Posted by ceejay185 View Post

Just wanted to report that I also got the new Monoprice HDBase-T extender and it also worked first time out of the box

Uverse/HTPC -> Denon 2310CI -> HDBase-T -> Sharp 60" AQUOS LC-60LE632U

The IR function works flawlessly with the U-Verse box, as well as with the HTPC and Denon.

I still want to split the HDMI signal 1 to 4, but think I'm going to have to wait until HDBase-T splitters become available. If a Monoprice rep is watching this thread, any idea on when this type product will be available?

According to their description, this splitter does exactly what you are asking for a very reasonable price. There were some questions if it is truly HDBaseT but I think you can get it and if it doesn't do what you want then return it. It clearly states HDBaseT though in the description. They also have a 1x8 model as well.

Next week Atlona should be introducing a 4x4 Matrix Switch that uses HDBaseT. They already have an 8x8 and 16x16 HDBaseT Matrix Switch.
post #49 of 182
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I received my monoprice HDBaseT extender with ethernet today. I didn't have much time to test but I did quickly hook up my HTPC from my rack to my family room and it sent the video flawlessly. The computer was set to 1080p60 and 32bit color (is that the same as 36bit deep color?).

I wasn't sending over HD Audio nor did I test the ethernet pass through. I'm using Cat6 cable which I'd guess with turns is between 75-150'.

I'll post more thoughts after I have more time to do a thorough test.
post #50 of 182
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Originally Posted by ktrdsl23 View Post

...32bit color (is that the same as 36bit deep color?).

No, I believe it is the equivalent of 24-bit color.
post #51 of 182
Deep Color is referred to in the HDMI spec as allowing the system to recognize and pass up to 16-bit color depth for rendering of billions of colors. The more colors the system can render the smoother the transitions are between colors, yielding a more natural picture.
post #52 of 182
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Originally Posted by steelerdadof3 View Post

Is this the one you got?

No, I don't believe that one is HDBaseT. I went with HDBaseT because I needed the length due to the size of the house and two patch panels. I have this one:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

It's controlled by RS232 and I only have two complaints about it. One, you can't power it on by RS232 and it doesn't have a discrete power on by IR either. This hasn't been an issue yet since even when the power cuts off it defaults to on. Two, it won't switch to the input unless it detects a signal. This means I have to make sure the HTPC is out of sleep mode before issuing the command to switch ports on the matrix, otherwise it won't take. Given the variable timing nature of a computer coming out of S3 sleep it's kind of annoying.

Those are two minor complaints, other than that I have been very happy with it. Haven't tried surround though, just 2 channel audio on all TVs, and they are all 1080p.

I did have one funny thing happen, that was more cool than anything. Every time the Samsung D8000 55" LCD was turned off in the bedroom it would turn off the Vt30 Panny in the living room downstairs. I finally tracked it down to a Samsung CEC HDMI signal, which means CEC flowed with out issue through the HDBaseT, the matrix, then back through another HDBaseT adapter. Didn't think it would work through the matrix, which is great news. Going to order one of those CEC USB adapters I think and play around with it since I don't have a good way of getting IR to the Panny.

Fixing that issue was as simple as turning off that CEC feature in the menu.
post #53 of 182
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Originally Posted by kertofer View Post

Deep Color is referred to in the HDMI spec as allowing the system to recognize and pass up to 16-bit color depth for rendering of billions of colors. The more colors the system can render the smoother the transitions are between colors, yielding a more natural picture.

Except that no source material that I know of is encoded with the extra color depth. This means the disc player is the one adding the extra color information as an interpolation or extrapolation. Many people have reported less natural colors using deep color because it's only as good as the player's capabilities.

Until source material has the information, my recommendation is to leave deep color off.
post #54 of 182
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Atlona announced a new 4x4 Matrix Switch using HDBaseT.

MSRP is $2299 but I don't think it includes any receivers.

They also released a new HDBaseT receiver. At the MSRP of $219.99 they must be feeling the heat of the monoprice extenders. This one doesn't pass 10/100 Ethernet.

Reading the sheets a little closer I'm wondering if these products are using HDBaseT Lite as they are advertising 200ft rather than 330ft.
post #55 of 182
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Originally Posted by ktrdsl23 View Post

...doesn't pass...Ethernet...200ft...

Sure sounds like Lite.
post #56 of 182
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Originally Posted by Colm View Post

Sure sounds like Lite.

Yeah, you would think there would be some legal issues with marketing different solutions with different capabilities as being the same. I would imagine that using the "HDBaseT" name for your technology would require the 100M length but perhaps not. Will certainly make it confusing if more products come to market all being called HDBaseT.
post #57 of 182
Audio Authority has released their first HDBaseT product.

HBT200KIT HDBaseT Extender
post #58 of 182
HDBaseT lite is still HDBaseT. and they are using the Valens lower cost chipset.

they are fully compatible with all HDBaseT stuff, with the exception of no ethernet and shorter distance. we figured that for a home, only have a 70 metre range would be fine.
post #59 of 182
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Originally Posted by Dizzman View Post

HDBaseT lite is still HDBaseT. and they are using the Valens lower cost chipset.

they are fully compatible with all HDBaseT stuff, with the exception of no ethernet and shorter distance. we figured that for a home, only have a 70 metre range would be fine.

Ok, so you can confirm that the new Atlona products are using the HDBaseT Lite chipset?

And I believe you are saying that regular and lite HDBaseT products will be compatible? So if a TV in the future were to have the HDBaseT chipset and an RJ45 input it would work with either a regular or lite extender as long as the cable is the appropriate length for each product's specs?

It actually gets at something else I've wondered about these extenders. Would a sender and receiver of differing sets or even differing manufacturers work with each other? If I were to use the Atlona HDBaseT matrix switch could I use a different company's receiver? Not saying there is a benefit to doing this, just curious about the technology.
post #60 of 182
that one new 4x4 is. products will continue to be a mix. as they will be with many manufacturers. and as new features are added, there will be compatibility with the elements that are common.

if it is HDBaseT... it is compatible. that is the beauty here.

so yes, you could use a gefen receiver (but why would you want to) with our new matrix. and if you had an intellix matrix that had PoH you could use the newest receiver of ours with it. (that model does not have a power input. it is ONLY PoH)

there will be small caveats. like if i build a 16x16 matrix that is ALL HDBaseT, there is no way i would provide the full 100 watts on all outputs and inputs as that would be an additional 3200 watts the matrix might need. so i might only provide PoH on 5 inputs and 5 outputs, and it might only be... 30 watts. (if that was the amount of power i might need for one of my receivers AND a repeater. FOR THE RECORD... we do not have a repeater yet. this is just a "for instance") So you can see why they would not force somebody to do full power all the time.

SO if you got a tv that COULD be powered off the HDBaseT connection, you would have to confirm that whatever is driving it provided sufficient power.

but other than that, and ensuring the connections/features you want, it is all plug and play.

one other point, make no mistake about the fact that HDBaseT does not replace HDMI. it is just a transport mechanism for HDMI and other signals.

And there are displays on the way that have native HDBaseT connections.

AT ISE for demo purposes they had a flat panel, a projector, a security camera, that all had HDBaseT native on them. these were prototypes they made, but it can give you an idea.
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