Originally Posted by ppomerantz
I agree the Feedback system sucks but I tried selling my Songtowers on all the "alternative" sites and only Audiocircle got me some nibbles. After a month or two went by, I put them on Agon and got way more traffic which culminated in a sale. Better to pay 2% and sell your gear than...
I also bought my current speakers and preamp there recently and no hiccups on the transactions other than trying to leave feedback.
Well, that's the classic conundrum...isn't it? Interestingly enough, I now consider Audiogon like the eBay
of the audiophile world...and that's the reason; you have a BIG choice to make, between getting the most traffic (still?) and all the fees and bullsh*t.
I don't mind the fees
so much. Sure, who wouldn't prefer the old days...when it was free, or $4.00 to list and that was all she wrote. The way I see it, we all had it pretty good there for a while, and it's simply time to pay the piper. No, what I mind is the bullsh*t! The site is dog-as* slow...still; probably because of all the ads
, and monitoring
sites they have. I've tried it with all 3 browsers; IE9, Google Chrome, and Firefox...just to see if one is optimized better than another. They all just spin and spin, and spin...waiting for uploads from the likes of AdChoice, or Lijit.com. It's ridiculous; yes, either the fees should be enough to support the site, or you should be able to opt-out of this deluge.
But worse than ALL of that, is the functionality of the transactions...and on a related note, the FRAUD and new crop of "users" the site has garnered since it's "change-over". We've already talked about the disastrous feedback system. I've written them about it; they don't get it. They simply say "it's on the old platform, that's all". When you're trading $1,000, $5,000, $10,000 pieces of gear with people, feedback is crucial
; feedback is king
! Feedback is life-blood
! Without feedback that actually ties to a f*cking transaction, who knows what in the hell people are doing over there? Audiogon claims they verify all feedback; uh, sure.
And then...and not on an unrelated note...there's the FRAUD. OMG...browsing that site now, is like walking through the bad part of town after dark; you have to be oh so vigilant and on your toes. I could take 2 minutes, and list 10 auctions that look like obvious cons to me. Sure, the guys listing $10,000 Krells...with NO feedback; they're easy to spot (even though there's a LOT more than there ever were) and avoid. Then there's the people with like 2/3 pieces of feedback; they obviously sell a couple of legit...and maybe inexpensive pieces of gear; get some positive-looking feedback (or...just leave it for themselves
; I doubt there's anything to prevent that now, the way the feedback is set up), and then go in for the kill with something expensive.
Then there's the guys, who have obviously hacked the system...during a time of vulnerability in the change-over (or for all I know, it's still on-going). They have good feedback; perfect even. Lots of transactions, for 100% rating; but they haven't traded since like 2005...lol. Yeah right
And then the really
smart ones: they've obviously hacked into an inactive
account, like I just mentioned; but they know not trading since 2005 is an issue (maybe someone called them on it). So they combine 2 scams: do a couple of quickie, inexpensive transactions (or again, just leave themselves recent
feedback) and try to rip people off that way.
Not to mention, I have been the victim of, or heard countless more stories of "insurance-type" fraud (item arrived "damaged", and buyer is demanding a refund...but doesn't want to file a claim with the carrier)...or attempts to ship items to addresses other than what's listed with PayPal, etc, etc, etc. I'm so cautious and jaded these days...even a buyer who wants to use his own shipping carrier, raises red-flags for me. What if they claim damage; you
can't make them file a claim...it's their
Point is, what the hell can you trust over there these days? It's so bad, you have to look at just about everybody
sideways; and what the hell kind of way is that to want to do business, or enjoy a hobby? I had 10 transactions a year, for 5 years over there; I think I had one minor
issue. Since the "change-over"? 5 times as many problems in a couple of months, than I had in the previous 4 years (and again...more stories of others
having trouble. I even know someone, who has a buyer demanding the original manual, that came with his $5,000 Krell mono-blocks...or he wants his money back, lol. Uh...they're mono-blocks; you plug in the IC, attach speaker-cables, and turn it on! lol. Not exactly "fraud"; probably more buyer's remorse, and the guy is trying to use a technicality to get his money back. It just speaks to the new class
of people trading there now).
I guess you can tell; I'm just done, done, done. But I agree; it's still a challenge to find somewhere else to sell. Lots of sites are trying to take up the mantle; AudioCircle (not that they weren't there before, but hopefully more and more hobbyists are looking to trade there now), CAM and USAM (ditto...but again, the US
-based site now). You can sell here at AVS, or other "message-board" sites. It's just my opinion; but we need to start weening ourselves off Audiogon, and make it Audiogon(e). Edited by CDLehner - 8/26/12 at 11:01am