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post #391 of 429
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Originally Posted by dbphd View Post

I'm planning to connect DirecTV HD-DVR via HDMI and Mac Mini via asynchronous USB to an Oppo BDP-105 that will replace the BDP-95. I will use the analog output of the 105 as I do that of the 95. I have been experimenting with the LPCM option for SACDs, and I prefer it for certain recordings. Some posts have suggested the audio of the 105 is superior to that of the 95, but I'm not looking for that nor do I expect it. The HDMI and asynchronous USB inputs of the 105 are what I want
yeah, that's one cool thing about the BDP-105, it provides HDMI INP, as well as USB INP, great versatility.
post #392 of 429
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Originally Posted by WestCoastD View Post


yeah, that's one cool thing about the BDP-105, it provides HDMI INP, as well as USB INP, great versatility.

And the ethernet input is super, too.

post #393 of 429
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Originally Posted by dahester View Post

If you have the rack space, I highly recommend the XA5400ES and BDP-S5000ES combo. It's a shame the Blu-ray/SACD functionality wasn't combined together (like the old PS3 fat). With the XA5400ES the engineers were able to focus on two channel analog performance. Both SACD and CD are rendered flawlessly, particularly through the XLRs. (The S5000ES may lack 3D, but it has outrageously good picture quality, noticeably sharper than the PS3 and LG BH200 I have on hand). I know everyone is in love with Oppo, and there's little doubt they make the best universal players. In the realm of separates, the Japanese old guard still know what they are doing. I've been quietly slipping Blu-rays and SACDs into these machines without a single problem.

I've probably owned over 100 different electronic components over the years. These two ES models were designed by the Sony A-Team and it shows in the look, feel, and performance. I would consider them to be modern day classics. But the ES product line is shrinking, and the build quality in some cases has been shameful (esp. more recent BD models). The trend does not look good for 'the elevated standard', so if you want in on some of the last 'big iron' components, now is the time. Consider this: prices on eBay for both models have trended up in the last year. Interestingly, the Sony BDP-CX7000ES 400 disc changer was obviously discontinued too early, as prices have now skyrocketed to $4000.

XA5400ES - BDP-S790 3-D Combo works great for me
post #394 of 429
This thread has been quiescent for months, but I should recant certain of my remarks about the lack of detail in the sound of the Sony 5400ES. Since I have replaced the Cary Cinema 11a with a setup in which analog stereo from the Oppo 105, Sony 5400ES, and a JC-3 phono stage go to a Parasound JC-2 analog stereo preamp, I've come to realize my judgements about the 5400ES were strongly colored by the voicing (or Interaction) of the Cary. Through the JC-2, the sound from the 5400ES is at least the equal of that of the 105, with a wider and deeper soundstage. The surround channels of the 105 go directly to amps, SW to a Velodyne SMS-1 that provides LF acoustic room correction for a pair of HGS-15s. The JC-2 is run in bypass mode when used with the 105.

db
post #395 of 429
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Originally Posted by dbphd View Post

This thread has been quiescent for months, but I should recant certain of my remarks about the lack of detail in the sound of the Sony 5400ES. Since I have replaced the Cary Cinema 11a with a setup in which analog stereo from the Oppo 105, Sony 5400ES, and a JC-3 phono stage go to a Parasound JC-2 analog stereo preamp, I've come to realize my judgements about the 5400ES were strongly colored by the voicing (or Interaction) of the Cary. Through the JC-2, the sound from the 5400ES is at least the equal of that of the 105, with a wider and deeper soundstage. The surround channels of the 105 go directly to amps, SW to a Velodyne SMS-1 that provides LF acoustic room correction for a pair of HGS-15s. The JC-2 is run in bypass mode when used with the 105.

db

Thanks for that update. Good the know that the 5400 is on par with the 105 for stereo.
post #396 of 429
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Originally Posted by mpedris View Post

Thanks for that update. Good the know that the 5400 is on par with the 105 for stereo.

Actually, I think I prefer the Sony XA5400ES for stereo. Pairing it with the Parasound JC-2 analog preamp really let the Sony shine. Of course most SACDs sound superb, but last night I was struck by the sound of a Smithsonian Folkways Recordings CD of Pete Seeger.

db
post #397 of 429
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Originally Posted by dbphd View Post

This thread has been quiescent for months, but I should recant certain of my remarks about the lack of detail in the sound of the Sony 5400ES. Since I have replaced the Cary Cinema 11a with a setup in which analog stereo from the Oppo 105, Sony 5400ES, and a JC-3 phono stage go to a Parasound JC-2 analog stereo preamp, I've come to realize my judgements about the 5400ES were strongly colored by the voicing (or Interaction) of the Cary. Through the JC-2, the sound from the 5400ES is at least the equal of that of the 105, with a wider and deeper soundstage. The surround channels of the 105 go directly to amps, SW to a Velodyne SMS-1 that provides LF acoustic room correction for a pair of HGS-15s. The JC-2 is run in bypass mode when used with the 105.

db
I think the XA5400ES is sensitive to what equipment it's paired with. I would never pair it with an overly warm-sounding amp, the sound that combo tends to produce is a little softer than most like.
post #398 of 429
I Agree, I recently compared the the Oppo 103 with both Sony 1000ES BD player & Sony XA 5400ES & I much prefer the sound of the Sony's . BD sound from the Oppo 103 was unlistenable especially the HF compared to the Sony, and the Sony Video with Super Bit mapping & Reality Enhancer is much easier to watch than the Hard Bright picture from the Oppo 103 on my Samsung Smart LED TV however this maybe because I was connected by HDMI to the excellent Sony DA5400ES AVR (UK version EISA award winner) .
post #399 of 429
I kept going back and forth between my 5400ES and Oppo 105, but now that I've upgraded my speakers from Martin Logan to DALI, I hear greater detail and depth from the Sony. I listen to it via HDMI since I'm a confirmed multi-channel enthusiast!
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So, you bought both of them instead of spending 2500 on a really good player.  Then you compared them using HDMI?  Well, I guess Sony does better audio with HDMI.

post #401 of 429
(1) Which really good $2500 player?

(2) I wonder if it's possible to distinguish an Oppo BDP-105 from a Sony XA 5400ES via HDMI, given that whatever receives the HDMI output is doing the analog processing rather than the Oppo or Sony.

(3) Some of us who have both players likely had one first before acquiring the other. I bought the Sony to supplement a Sony PlayStation-3 for stereo music. When the Oppo came out, I replaced the Playstation with the Oppo for surround and Blu-ray then discovered it was very good for stereo as well.

db
post #402 of 429
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Originally Posted by dbphd View Post

(1) Which really good $2500 player?

(2) I wonder if it's possible to distinguish an Oppo BDP-105 from a Sony XA 5400ES via HDMI, given that whatever receives the HDMI output is doing the analog processing rather than the Oppo or Sony.

(3) Some of us who have both players likely had one first before acquiring the other. I bought the Sony to supplement a Sony PlayStation-3 for stereo music. When the Oppo came out, I replaced the Playstation with the Oppo for surround and Blu-ray then discovered it was very good for stereo as well.

db

1) There are no "really good $2500 players" (whatever that actually means) that do multi-channel that I can find.
2) I can, and while it's not night and day, the Oppo sounds a bit warmer but the Sony is more detailed.
3) Like, you, I had one component first, the 5400, then I bought the Oppo as an upgrade from my previous Sony BD player.
post #403 of 429
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Originally Posted by dbphd View Post

(1) Which really good $2500 player?

(2) I wonder if it's possible to distinguish an Oppo BDP-105 from a Sony XA 5400ES via HDMI, given that whatever receives the HDMI output is doing the analog processing rather than the Oppo or Sony.

(3) Some of us who have both players likely had one first before acquiring the other. I bought the Sony to supplement a Sony PlayStation-3 for stereo music. When the Oppo came out, I replaced the Playstation with the Oppo for surround and Blu-ray then discovered it was very good for stereo as well.

db

1)  Krell(S-350a), Vincent Audio, Musical Fidelity and Arcam all make cd players in that price range.  One would have to decide which features one wants and go from there.

 

2)  Personally, I have doubts that one can distinguish between players bit streaming through HDMI since in that configuration they are both just a transport as you mentioned.

 

3)  I see, I guess it's more common than I thought.  Personally I have the Oppo 95 in one system and an Oppo 103 in another.


Edited by audio4life - 3/8/14 at 5:26pm
post #404 of 429
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Originally Posted by audio4life View Post

1)  Krell, Vincent Audio, Musical Fidelity and Arcam all make cd players in that price range.  One would have to decide which features one wants and go from there.

The Vincent, Musical Fidelity, Arcam are all stereo only, an immediate deal breaker, and the Krell Cipher, their current model, is about $12,000, another deal breaker.
post #405 of 429
When I look at the recommended components in Stereophile, I don't see any of the $2500 players Audio4Life sites in either the A+ or A categories, although I do see both the Sony XA5400ES and Oppo BDP-105. So I wonder about the "better" appellation, never having heard any of them.

I must admit that when I bought the first Oppo BDP, a 95, I planned to sell the Sony. Sloth resulted in keeping the Sony, and after pairing it with the Parasound JC-2, I'm happy it did. The 95 was moved to the living room when I bought the 105 so superior analog section of the 105 could be used via HDMI by the DirecTV HD-DVR and by the Mac Mini via asynchronous USB.

db
post #406 of 429
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Originally Posted by dbphd View Post

When I look at the recommended components in Stereophile, I don't see any of the $2500 players Audio4Life sites in either the A+ or A categories, although I do see both the Sony XA5400ES and Oppo BDP-105. So I wonder about the "better" appellation, never having heard any of them.

I must admit that when I bought the first Oppo BDP, a 95, I planned to sell the Sony. Sloth resulted in keeping the Sony, and after pairing it with the Parasound JC-2, I'm happy it did. The 95 was moved to the living room when I bought the 105 so superior analog section of the 105 could be used via HDMI by the DirecTV HD-DVR and by the Mac Mini via asynchronous USB.

db

If one is only going to look at components based on whether Stereophile has covered them, and then given it an A+ or A, you will have a short list that is also incomplete.  They certainly can't be expected to review every single unit out there.  But if that's the standard one prefers, then so be it.

 

I may be missing something but, I understood that if one employs the HDMI output, then the analog section is not used at all.  Could you explain how the analog signal gets sent through the HDMI output?  It appears that you are using the 105 merely as a transport, something that a $100 dvd player could do equally well.

post #407 of 429
(1) I just wondered how your really good player list could have been ignored by Stereophile while the "inferior" 105 and 5400ES got rated A and A+. I live in a small town adjacent to Santa Barbara, itself a small city, so I don't have the opportunity to hear every CD/SACD player in the market. I rely on printed and online reviews to a great extent. If I do buy another CD/SACD player, it will most likely be an Ayre 5C, but computer audio may circumvent such a purchase.

(2) HDMI output from the DirecTV HD-DVR goes to the rear HDMI input of the 105. Analog stereo from the Oppo goes to a Parasound JC-2 analog preamp, surround directly to amps, SW to sub management. HDMI-1 from the Oppo goes to a projector; HDMI-2 goes to a monitor.

db
post #408 of 429
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Originally Posted by dbphd View Post

(1) I just wondered how your really good player list could have been ignored by Stereophile while the "inferior" 105 and 5400ES got rated A and A+. I live in a small town adjacent to Santa Barbara, itself a small city, so I don't have the opportunity to hear every CD/SACD player in the market. I rely on printed and online reviews to a great extent. If I do buy another CD/SACD player, it will most likely be an Ayre 5C, but computer audio may circumvent such a purchase.

(2) HDMI output from the DirecTV HD-DVR goes to the rear HDMI input of the 105. Analog stereo from the Oppo goes to a Parasound JC-2 analog preamp, surround directly to amps, SW to sub management. HDMI-1 from the Oppo goes to a projector; HDMI-2 goes to a monitor.

db

1)  My point was that Stereophile can not review every player on the market in a given year.  Do you disagree with this?  That's all I'm saying, just because a player is not on their list, it doesn't mean anything per say.

 

2)  Okay, I see what you were talking about earlier, you weren't using the Oppo HDMI output, but its input with the DVR.  I'm not familiar with how good a source the DVR is for audio, I've tried my 95 with various audio files as well as HD audio and redbook, all into a 2 channel NAD pre and Halo A21.  

post #409 of 429
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Originally Posted by bwv1080 View Post

I kept going back and forth between my 5400ES and Oppo 105, but now that I've upgraded my speakers from Martin Logan to DALI, I hear greater detail and depth from the Sony. I listen to it via HDMI since I'm a confirmed multi-channel enthusiast!

That's pretty tricky. How do explain that there was an audible difference when both were using the same DAC?
post #410 of 429
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Originally Posted by FMW View Post

That's pretty tricky. How do explain that there was an audible difference when both were using the same DAC?

I guess I'm just special.
post #411 of 429
Or the Sony is just special. I dunno, but one is a Blu-ray / DVD / universal player and the other is a dedicated CD / SACD player so that might have something to do with it.
post #412 of 429
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

Or the Sony is just special. I dunno, but one is a Blu-ray / DVD / universal player and the other is a dedicated CD / SACD player so that might have something to do with it.

What would that be?
post #413 of 429
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Originally Posted by bwv1080 View Post

I guess I'm just special.

Wrong answer. You aren't special.
post #414 of 429
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Originally Posted by FMW View Post


Wrong answer. You aren't special.

Good to see you haven't lost any of your tact or diplomacy.

post #415 of 429
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Originally Posted by audio4life View Post

Good to see you haven't lost any of your tact or diplomacy.

I'm too old to worry about tact, diplomacy or what people think of me. It happens to a lot of us geezers.
post #416 of 429
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Originally Posted by audio4life View Post

1)  My point was that Stereophile can not review every player on the market in a given year.  Do you disagree with this?  That's all I'm saying, just because a player is not on their list, it doesn't mean anything per say.

2)  Okay, I see what you were talking about earlier, you weren't using the Oppo HDMI output, but its input with the DVR.  I'm not familiar with how good a source the DVR is for audio, I've tried my 95 with various audio files as well as HD audio and redbook, all into a 2 channel NAD pre and Halo A21.  

(1) Both the BDP-105 and 5400ES have been around for some time, yet are still on the recommended list, so the recommendations are not based on components recently introduced.

(2) I haven't used the DVR for music, except the occasional special, but the sound quality is excellent for TV programs and movies, very spacious with fully realized LFE when appropriate.

I removed our center channel, because speech intelligibility is so good with the pair of KEF 107/2s a center was redundant. Those big KEFs really do image well. In every way, they are a huge step up from the excellent 104/2s, a bigger step than I expected.

db
post #417 of 429
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Originally Posted by bwv1080 View Post

1) There are no "really good $2500 players" (whatever that actually means) that do multi-channel that I can find.
2) I can, and while it's not night and day, the Oppo sounds a bit warmer but the Sony is more detailed.

1) It doesn't make sense to invest everything in one box anyway. If you have a variety of disc formats in your collection multiple players (or one player and a stereo DAC) probably makes more sense. If I was only playing stereo CD/SACD then I would get something like the McIntosh MCD-500 or Marantz SA-11 if the Sony wasn't available. I looked at the NAD and Cary SACD too but both had ergonomic / build issues and the Cary was too expensive.

2) Are you using SACD for these comparisons? If so do you output DSD or PCM over HDMI?
Edited by AVfile - 3/11/14 at 11:03am
post #418 of 429
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Originally Posted by FMW View Post

What would that be?

I don't know. But if he's converting DSD to PCM in the players, Sony does it differently.
post #419 of 429
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Originally Posted by audio4life View Post

the DVR.  I'm not familiar with how good a source the DVR is for audio, I've tried my 95 with various audio files as well as HD audio and redbook
It doesn't matter. He just wants to watch programs on the DVR and use the Oppo as a DAC for the audio. Another reason to buy the Oppo even if you already have the Sony.
post #420 of 429
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

1) It doesn't make sense to invest everything in one box anyway. If you have a variety of disc formats in your collection multiple players (or one player and a stereo DAC) probably makes more sense. If I was only playing CD/SACD then I would get something like the Macintosh MCD-500 if the Sony wasn't available. I looked at the NAD and Cary SACD too but both had ergonomic / build issues.

2) Are you using SACD for these comparisons? If so do you output DSD or PCM over HDMI?

Yes, SACD, and I output DSD via HDMI. My Audyssey software converts to PCM for the room correction in both units.

Yikes...the Mac is stereo--I'm a confirmed multi-channel listener! (100% classical)
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