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post #31 of 93
Now I really want to compare the Carnivals and S30's!
post #32 of 93
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Originally Posted by l0nestar8 View Post

Now I really want to compare the Carnivals and S30's!

Should be fun - what is really fun, is the modded S30
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post #34 of 93
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Originally Posted by zieglj01 View Post

Should be fun - what is really fun, is the modded S30

What is the modded S30? I would really like to hear the S30's, but I am willing to bet they are pretty close to these Carnivals and if they are, they must sound good

The more I am listing to these Carnivals, the better they sound, cannot wait to hear them with my Outlaw EX!!
post #35 of 93
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Originally Posted by l0nestar8 View Post

I just measured the woofers of the Carnival 2's and the RC-10's. According to my measurements, the Carnivals 2's are 4 15/16" and the RC-10's are 5" (virtually identical and both listed at 5.5".) The only other bookshelves I have on hand are the P142's and they are 3.5" (listed as 4.5".)

Just out of curiosity - the specs state the cabinet is 8.6" deep. Is that including the grill, or without?

I was thinking about a pair of these for my office. They'd be on stands flanking my desk, but they'd be right up against the wall - so the front porting would be an advantage over getting the Cambridge s30.


On a side note - what were the results of comparing the Carnival 2 and RC-10?
post #36 of 93
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Originally Posted by Reefdvr27 View Post

What is the modded S30? I would really like to hear the S30's, but I am willing to bet they are pretty close to these Carnivals and if they are, they must sound good

The more I am listing to these Carnivals, the better they sound, cannot wait to hear them with my Outlaw EX!!

Sorry about not getting back sooner.

You can get the info here - Dennis Murphy modified the crossover,
to take care of some phase issues, and gave it a more balanced
sound. It is more open and focused, and has a more natural and
realistic sound. The speakers are good to begin with - so I am not
talking about a day and night differernce. However, the change is
noticeable and meaningful, and does take the speaker to another
level.
Start with post #71
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...dge+s30&page=3
post #37 of 93
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Originally Posted by alphaiii View Post

Just out of curiosity - the specs state the cabinet is 8.6" deep. Is that including the grill, or without?

I was thinking about a pair of these for my office. They'd be on stands flanking my desk, but they'd be right up against the wall - so the front porting would be an advantage over getting the Cambridge s30.


On a side note - what were the results of comparing the Carnival 2 and RC-10?

The cabinet is exactly 8.6" deep without the grill and 9.00" with the grill.

Comparing the Carnival 2's and the RC10's (these comments are in relation to each other, not absolutes):

Carnival 2 - Mid-forward. Hint of lower mid warmth. Very linear and even midbass to subbass ratio. Top end is smooth and a little bright. Extension and resolution across the spectrum not as good as the Energy. Within it's range the M-S is flatter, more even, without any noticable flaws, valleys, or peaks. A flat, mid-focused signature for sure.

Energy RC-10 - End-to-end extension is excellent. It goes deeper and extends much higher the M-S. The midrange is laid-back. There is a definite smile curve to the frequency response. Lots of punch and rumble make this a very warm speaker. Very dynamic. The top end has a ton of sparkle. Very resolving considering the amount of bass and laid back mids. Pretty impressive. A technically better speaker.

I am going to keep both. I am going to pair the carnivals with my ultra12 sub in the living room. The forward vocals and smooth top will be great for movies.

The RC-10's will go in the bedroom where a sub is not needed. The energy is like a mini "sound system" all by itself.

These are so different it's hard to pick a favorite. If I was forced to keep only one pair it would probably be the energy's. They are just more dynamic and exciting. However, for a more relaxing, accurate experience, the carnivals are impossible to beat. I'm gonna keep listening to both. These are just some initial impressions after a few weeks of listening.
post #38 of 93
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Originally Posted by l0nestar8 View Post

The cabinet is exactly 8.6" deep without the grill and 9.00" with the grill.

Comparing the Carnival 2's and the RC10's (these comments are in relation to each other, not absolutes):

Carnival 2 - Mid-forward. Hint of lower mid warmth. Very linear and even midbass to subbass ratio. Top end is smooth and a little bright. Extension and resolution across the spectrum not as good as the Energy. Within it's range the M-S is flatter, more even, without any noticable flaws, valleys, or peaks. A flat, mid-focused signature for sure.

Energy RC-10 - End-to-end extension is excellent. It goes deeper and extends much higher the M-S. The midrange is laid-back. There is a definite smile curve to the frequency response. Lots of punch and rumble make this a very warm speaker. Very dynamic. The top end has a ton of sparkle. Very resolving considering the amount of bass and laid back mids. Pretty impressive. A technically better speaker.

I am going to keep both. I am going to pair the carnivals with my ultra12 sub in the living room. The forward vocals and smooth top will be great for movies.

The RC-10's will go in the bedroom where a sub is not needed. The energy is like a mini "sound system" all by itself.

These are so different it's hard to pick a favorite. If I was forced to keep only one pair it would probably be the energy's. They are just more dynamic and exciting. However, for a more relaxing, accurate experience, the carnivals are impossible to beat. I'm gonna keep listening to both. These are just some initial impressions after a few weeks of listening.

Another good comparison!

I have been thinking of adding a new set of front tower speakers and moving a pair of the Carnivals back for rears. I am looking at the Mezzo 6's or Mezzo 8's. I just added an Outlaw LFM -1 EX sub and these towers would be a addition to my little family

http://www.mordauntshort.com/product...=Press+reviews
post #39 of 93
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Originally Posted by l0nestar8 View Post

The cabinet is exactly 8.6" deep without the grill and 9.00" with the grill.

Comparing the Carnival 2's and the RC10's (these comments are in relation to each other, not absolutes):

Carnival 2 - Mid-forward. Hint of lower mid warmth. Very linear and even midbass to subbass ratio. Top end is smooth and a little bright. Extension and resolution across the spectrum not as good as the Energy. Within it's range the M-S is flatter, more even, without any noticable flaws, valleys, or peaks. A flat, mid-focused signature for sure.

Energy RC-10 - End-to-end extension is excellent. It goes deeper and extends much higher the M-S. The midrange is laid-back. There is a definite smile curve to the frequency response. Lots of punch and rumble make this a very warm speaker. Very dynamic. The top end has a ton of sparkle. Very resolving considering the amount of bass and laid back mids. Pretty impressive. A technically better speaker.

I am going to keep both. I am going to pair the carnivals with my ultra12 sub in the living room. The forward vocals and smooth top will be great for movies.

The RC-10's will go in the bedroom where a sub is not needed. The energy is like a mini "sound system" all by itself.

These are so different it's hard to pick a favorite. If I was forced to keep only one pair it would probably be the energy's. They are just more dynamic and exciting. However, for a more relaxing, accurate experience, the carnivals are impossible to beat. I'm gonna keep listening to both. These are just some initial impressions after a few weeks of listening.

Thanks for the nice write up.

Some of your thoughts echo my own of the RC-10 vs Cambridge S30.

The Soundstage measurements of the RC-10 echo what you're hearing... the mid-bass is emphasized, and the response gradually lowers a bit in through the upper midrange/lower treble, then rises again a little in the upper treble. It's not a drastic "smile" curve like I've seen with Klipsch for instance, but there is a boost at both ends of the spectrum. Overall, I'd agree it's on the warm side of neutral.

Since Soundstage measures in the NRC's anechoic chamber, their response curves don't take into account the output of the port, so the bass response is stronger than what is seen in these measurements.
post #40 of 93
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Originally Posted by Reefdvr27 View Post

After a day of listing to the Carnival 2's, they really sound incredible! I am pushing these with an Onkyo TX-NR609 and I found that just running the 2 fronts along with the sub in Stereo that these speakers sounded incredible! They are not bassy at at all, and have just a nice punch, highs are very clear! I would have Still learning how to use my new receiver so I am sure when I get everything dialed in they should sound much better! I would have to say without the 12" Sub, they would be very flat!

I just got my Carnival 2's hooked up yesterday and I think I'm in love. If interested here are my first impressions.

Have you tried Pure Audio setting on the Onkyo? I kept switching back and forth between it, Direct and Stereo. Very little difference between the former, Stereo mode was definitely the inferior setting but this could be because mine are replacements for computer speakers, and I suspect close proximity caused me to enjoy Pure more.

Thanks much to all on this thread, its been a big help. By the way, because of the tip that this didn't have feet I ordered a couple pairs of Mopad monitor isolation pads, which was probably a very good idea given my desktop placement.

Since I couldn't decide between the two, Energy RC-10's will be compared over the weekend (I just received a helpful tip, break them in a bit first), but its going to be tough. I'm pretty impressed with what I have. My greatest fear is that I agree with l0nestar8 and want them both!
post #41 of 93
Out of curiosity, did any of you who own the Carnival 2 speakers follow the instructions to wire one lead to top terminal and the other to bottom? I just read this, and did a doubletake.

Another interesting little tidbit from the included propaganda - "Running In":

"To improve the sound of your speakers, perform a 'running in' process. Position the speakers facing each other, wire one speaker out of phase, and run for 36 hours."

If it works, I'm game, but I am curious.
post #42 of 93
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Originally Posted by Nethawk View Post

Out of curiosity, did any of you who own the Carnival 2 speakers follow the instructions to wire one lead to top terminal and the other to bottom? I just read this, and did a doubletake.

Another interesting little tidbit from the included propaganda - "Running In":

"To improve the sound of your speakers, perform a 'running in' process. Position the speakers facing each other, wire one speaker out of phase, and run for 36 hours."

If it works, I'm game, but I am curious.

By wiring them out of phase and them facing them toward each other, close together... You get phase cancellations across much of the frequency range...

The net result is that they'll sound much quieter, so you can break them in without actually having to listen to them playing... It's a great trick if you want to leave them run all day while you're at work, but need to be considerate of neighbors or someone else in the house.

Or you can just listen to them play... and after 36 hours... same result.
post #43 of 93
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Originally Posted by Reefdvr27 View Post

Well I did not see this title in any searches, so I will take the honor! I just bought two sets of Mordaunt Short Carnival 2's for my fronts and rears for a 5.1 system. They just came Fed ex from Audio Advisor, ultra fast shipping I might add! Anyone experienced with these? I will have them hooked up later tonight or tomorrow and I will give a review! I am running them on a Onkyo TX-NR609

Great to see this thread started, especially by someone with some Carnivals! I've had my Carnivals in my family room 5.1 system for about 4 months after having the 2s in a 2.0 config a few months before. Setup includes Carnival 2 mains, Carnival 5 center, and Carnival 1 surrounds with a HSU ULS-15 + MBM-12 to handle the low end.

But back to the Carnival 2s...after I started listening to them I really wasn't sure what exactly I had. I eventually came to realize these things sound pretty damn good and are a great value. Mids are spectacular and highs, while a bit mellow, sound great to me. I absolutely love my MS Carnivals, and like about.com says, it may be the best kept secret in the entry-level hi-fi world. Mordaunt Short has a HUGE winner in the Carnival series, IMO.

Have fun!

OT: Grabbed a pair of Wharfedale Diamond 10.1s with a Harman Kardon HK3490 about 2 weeks ago to replace my old Carnival 2s. They sound great as well!
post #44 of 93
Thanks alpha. Since I work from home I think I'll just listen for 36 hours.

No thoughts on the speaker wiring recommendation? Since the connectors are bridged by default, I believe this is more confusing than useful information, yet for a 45 year old speaker company its an odd one.
post #45 of 93
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Originally Posted by Nethawk View Post

Thanks alpha. Since I work from home I think I'll just listen for 36 hours.

No thoughts on the speaker wiring recommendation? Since the connectors are bridged by default, I believe this is more confusing than useful information, yet for a 45 year old speaker company its an odd one.

Since the inputs are bridged, it doesn't matter how you wire them. If you remove a bridge, you will need to bi-wire/bi-amp (which is worthless in almost every case.)
post #46 of 93
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Originally Posted by lewdogg View Post

OT: Grabbed a pair of Wharfedale Diamond 10.1s with a Harman Kardon HK3490 about 2 weeks ago to replace my old Carnival 2s. They sound great as well!

Any chance for a comparo between the 10.1's and C2's?
post #47 of 93
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Originally Posted by Nethawk View Post

Since I couldn't decide between the two, Energy RC-10's will be compared over the weekend (I just received a helpful tip, break them in a bit first), but its going to be tough. I'm pretty impressed with what I have. My greatest fear is that I agree with l0nestar8 and want them both!

I look forward to your impressions as an alternative to mine. I think you will find that these are quite different but both excellent nonetheless. Keep us posted.
post #48 of 93
Sorry Lonestar for not following up. The Mordaunt Shorts won. These are incredible little speakers.
post #49 of 93
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Originally Posted by Nethawk View Post

Sorry Lonestar for not following up. The Mordaunt Shorts won. These are incredible little speakers.

Thanks for the link, Nethawk! I agree with your overall impressions. I haven't tried either pair near-field, but I imagine that I would concur with your conclusion. I'm still very happy with both of these and I think I would have to spend quite a bit more for a noticeable increase in performance. Upgraditis has been suspended for the time being. Anymore comparisons out there?
post #50 of 93
Based on MS's website, it looks like the Carnival line may be discontinued. Bummer.
post #51 of 93
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Originally Posted by sminyard View Post

Based on MS's website, it looks like the Carnival line may be discontinued. Bummer.

Interesting. I guess get 'em while you can.
post #52 of 93
have been using my Carnival 2s for a year now & luv em. have the 5 center & dipoles for surrounds. hooked up to an onkyo ht-rc180 finally got a dedicated cdp (onkyo c7030) it sounded muddled at first but has warmed up after a month of use; but while fine tuning the avr decided to turn off the audessey equalizer & BOOM! the carnivals really came alive, so surprising that even after a year, they could sound better! have listened to satellite sirius radio, my dual 1218 & now the cdp in pure audio, stereo, thx, all the diff modes you can try, & have found that for my ears, dts neo:6 music is the best for "music." my living rm is 14'x18' & these work great. these speakers can really crank out the sound! i have a bic f12 sub so it provides the bass altho with the avr xovers set just right, the carnivals do put out a decent amount of low end grunt & biamping prob helped that, but i like to feel the floors shake. i do think they could use a bit more with highs/treble but have somewhat compensated with the avr by +2 there, everything else is either at 0 or turned off, meaning re-EQ, musicoptimizer etc. this is a great entry level speaker setup, had no idea what i was buying when i did, not many reviewers out there. but i have upgraditis, so have decided to try out a pair of polk m70s. some luv em, some hate em, i suspect i'll luv em.
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post #53 of 93
Add another owner to the list of Carnival 2 owners. May be the thread should be "Official Carnival 2 owners thread"?

I purchased these for near field PC desktop use. I originally bought Polk Rti A3 which are excellent speakers by themselves but suck at close to wall placement. Upon recommendations here for front ported speakers I bought Infinity Primus P152s & while I was set on only purchasing those; I also bought Carnival 2 for the heck of it as that too was recommended & I was generally curious about a goofy brand name that had "Short" in it

I disliked the Primus the moment I ran my first track through them. They were bright, harsh & my ears hurt. Metal tweeters are probably not my thing. When I ran the Carnivals I was like Mmmm & just relaxed into my chair. My ears didnt hurt at all at any volume level. I promptly returned the Primus & now the Carnivals have a permanent home on my desk; for now

I wanted to try the Aviano 1s but the rear port put me off & I didn't bother. But if they are anything like their entry level Carnival offerings, I wager to think that they would be damn good.
post #54 of 93
I'd sure like to audition the Aviano or Mezzo line to understand the difference between their entry speakers and their performance offerings! I've pretty much settled on upgrading to Salk SongSeries, but will remain curious, and continue to keep Mordaunt Short in my radar.
post #55 of 93
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Originally Posted by Nethawk View Post

I'd sure like to audition the Aviano or Mezzo line to understand the difference between their entry speakers and their performance offerings! I've pretty much settled on upgrading to Salk SongSeries, but will remain curious, and continue to keep Mordaunt Short in my radar.

Seems the British know how to make good speakers. Kef, Mordaunt Short, B&W.

Now that I own the Kef Q900s I am curious how they would stack up against an equivalent Mezzo model.
post #56 of 93
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Originally Posted by wtxgringo View Post

have been using my Carnival 2s for a year now & luv em. have the 5 center & dipoles for surrounds. hooked up to an onkyo ht-rc180 finally got a dedicated cdp (onkyo c7030) it sounded muddled at first but has warmed up after a month of use; but while fine tuning the avr decided to turn off the audessey equalizer & BOOM! the carnivals really came alive, so surprising that even after a year, they could sound better! have listened to satellite sirius radio, my dual 1218 & now the cdp in pure audio, stereo, thx, all the diff modes you can try, & have found that for my ears, dts neo:6 music is the best for "music." my living rm is 14'x18' & these work great. these speakers can really crank out the sound! i have a bic f12 sub so it provides the bass altho with the avr xovers set just right, the carnivals do put out a decent amount of low end grunt & biamping prob helped that, but i like to feel the floors shake. i do think they could use a bit more with highs/treble but have somewhat compensated with the avr by +2 there, everything else is either at 0 or turned off, meaning re-EQ, musicoptimizer etc. this is a great entry level speaker setup, had no idea what i was buying when i did, not many reviewers out there. but i have upgraditis, so have decided to try out a pair of polk m70s. some luv em, some hate em, i suspect i'll luv em.

Just curious, since I couldn't find a clear answer.... Is the Carnival 5 center rear ported?
post #57 of 93
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Originally Posted by alphaiii View Post

Just curious, since I couldn't find a clear answer.... Is the Carnival 5 center rear ported?

Rear ported.

http://www.review33.com/pda/pda_msg....20231&number=7
post #58 of 93
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Originally Posted by wtxgringo View Post

but i have upgraditis, so have decided to try out a pair of polk m70s. some luv em, some hate em, i suspect i'll luv em.

I have had both and the Monitor70's are not in the same class as the Carnival 2's. Not even close.
post #59 of 93
For the same amount of money you could upgrade to the Carnival 6.

Mordaunt Short Carnival, they’re fun alright
post #60 of 93
Does any one here have any experience with these? I'm looking to use them in a 7.1 system. I have 4 right now I got them for short money ( no pun ) and will need to piece to gether the rest of the system.
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