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post #841 of 1582
Apologies if I got too wordy, thunder storm outside is trying to wreak havoc on my gear.
UPS just went off into protected mode due to power surge, thunder and lightning is constant, but I don't want to turn off the projector and computer (hah)...

I've gone through about 6 of these with no problem, one day might not get so lucky.
post #842 of 1582
i didn't find much information regarding the iris used in the 30k. Whatever the specific technique, it works very well. possibly better than the HW50 which I started to see a bit of after I blacked out my room.

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Clearly it's the unique, dual IC's that are responsible for the crosstalk free and flicker free performance..

This allows one to experience a 'stress-free' viewing condition..
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post #843 of 1582
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

i didn't find much information regarding the iris used in the 30k. Whatever the specific technique, it works very well. possibly better than the HW50 which I started to see a bit of after I blacked out my room.

WOW, an IRIS as good or better than the Sony on a DLP...
That's quite a surprise, people have been complaining about that for years (though some say the Runco's is the Sony equivalent, I couldn't tell in the one Runco I saw).
You need to get one of those PJ's Seegs had so you can look at those higher-end DLP's and see what you find.

Sharp should make another 0.95" DLP unit, though I guess it's too expensive these days and only a handful of people would buy them (probably on AVSr's). I think that's why they don't do it anymore, not enough market.
post #844 of 1582
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

Reference to JVC lamp issue, didn't know Sharp lamps are still expensive?
I saw some for $300 on the Sharp, but maybe those were knock-offs, I didn't double check.

The Mits hc5 is still a good choice, though with either the Mits or JVC, you won't get very good 3D. I haven't been watching 3D much lately due to the lack of content.

When was the last time you read about a problem with a version 3 JVC lamp? The B-stocks come with version 3.
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post #845 of 1582
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

WOW, an IRIS as good or better than the Sony on a DLP...
That's quite a surprise, people have been complaining about that for years (though some say the Runco's is the Sony equivalent, I couldn't tell in the one Runco I saw).
You need to get one of those PJ's Seegs had so you can look at those higher-end DLP's and see what you find.

Sharp should make another 0.95" DLP unit, though I guess it's too expensive these days and only a handful of people would buy them (probably on AVSr's). I think that's why they don't do it anymore, not enough market.

I agree that someone should make one but i don't think it should be sharp. Perhaps BenQ and they can incorporate 3D in with the projector. I don't know the pricing situation but it seems like TI has almost forced manufacturers to use the smaller DMD in the under$5000 price range. Or manufacturers are just being greedy.
post #846 of 1582
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Originally Posted by rak306 View Post

How does the Sharp xv-z30000 compare to the previous Sharp xv-z20000 for sharpness, black level, contrast, color accuracy, and calibrated lumen output? Thanks in advance.

I don't think you'll find anyone on the forum that has seen both models to provide this kind of information. I can tell you for 3D, it's one of the sharpest projectors I've seen out of many different 3D models I've reviewed over the last 2 years. I have a 142" 16:9 and sit only 14 feet away which is an unforgiving combo for projectors that are not as naturally sharp like the Sony HW50.

Black level and contrast are comparable to the Sony HW30 from last year. Respectable for a DLP to the point where it's not too distracting in low APL scenes.
post #847 of 1582
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

When was the last time you read about a problem with a version 3 JVC lamp? The B-stocks come with version 3.

True, but I'm not sure how many people have had time to put significant hours on Series 003 lamps yet. I send people your way on the B-Stocks from the sub-2k forum almost one per day, because I think they are great deals regardless. I was fairly happy got 1,500 hours on the 002 lamp, but I didn't like the way it exploded.

@Seegs
The Sharp isn't perfect, but I like the motorized controls you get at this price point. Of course I wonder if Sharp is losing money on these units, since originally they planned to sell it at $3,000 - $5,000. I know they didn't get the CMS or gray-scale controls well implemented, but they seem to have done ok otherwise. Of course optimally it would have been one of the higher-end dealers that makes a reasonably priced 0.95", but we won't see that happen. Sharp can make one and release it at $9k, then WOOT it for $3k smile.gif
Edited by coderguy - 5/11/13 at 9:09am
post #848 of 1582
considering the limited grayscale controls, the tracking is surprisingly good across the range down to 10 IRE.

The gamma has fine tuning controls that also work well and give tight control in the 5-30 range (individual controls for 5 / 15 / 25) where I usually tune to ~ 2.1 or 2.0 to make sure no detail is lost in the shadows.

I'm experimenting with tweaking the color space with the mini 3D since I have more time now with this projector.

Also this model has very good white and grey field uniformity. I know that should be a given with a single panel projector, but the Mitsubishi HC8000 has some odd color anomalies in the gray fields.
post #849 of 1582
direct from the Sharp training room:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pGVVI0rp0o

This trainer is very serious about home theater. He is going to school you why DLP doesn't have crosstalk @ 3:48. smile.gif

sharptraining.jpg
post #850 of 1582
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

direct from the Sharp training room:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pGVVI0rp0o

This trainer is very serious about home theater. He is going to school you why DLP doesn't have crosstalk @ 3:48. smile.gif

sharptraining.jpg

Jason, that made me start clicking on all the other videos YouTube suggests and found these gems.

This one was dubbed over in English from Russian and gives a good history of DLP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VCRfm-lq74

This one talks a little more about DLP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmlvujD2oHI

And this one compares DLP to LCD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOsibeDX8jM

Here it shows a close up of the DMD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezpcO4WXtvg

You just gota love technology and how they get these things to work. Over 2 million micro mirrors on a space less than one inch!
post #851 of 1582
Is it ok to ask where is the best curent deal on the XV-Z30000 is? smile.gif
post #852 of 1582
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Originally Posted by Highjinx View Post

Is it ok to ask where is the best curent deal on the XV-Z30000 is? smile.gif

I looked around, this looks like the least expensive for now. I don't know if they sold out between the groupon and woot deal.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sharp-XV-Z30000-Home-Theater-DLP-3D-Projector-w-2-Pair-of-Glasses-NEW-/140971952993?pt=US_Video_Projectors&hash=item20d2954b61
post #853 of 1582
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Originally Posted by biliam1982 View Post

You just gota love technology and how they get these things to work. Over 2 million micro mirrors on a space less than one inch!

Yah, what they've accomplished in tech today is amazing, but it can also be a pain in the *****, I just wasted 6 hours on a problem that could have taken 5 minutes...
post #854 of 1582
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

I looked around, this looks like the least expensive for now. I don't know if they sold out between the groupon and woot deal.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sharp-XV-Z30000-Home-Theater-DLP-3D-Projector-w-2-Pair-of-Glasses-NEW-/140971952993?pt=US_Video_Projectors&hash=item20d2954b61

Thanks Zombie.....unfortunately they don't ship to Oz!
post #855 of 1582
This seller is a bit more expensive but ships worldwide and has very good feedback. Also a 14 day return policy.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Sharp-XV-Z30000-DLP-Home-Theater-3D-Projector-2-FREE-3D-Glasses-HDMI-/360473140247
post #856 of 1582
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

This seller is a bit more expensive but ships worldwide and has very good feedback. Also a 14 day return policy.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Sharp-XV-Z30000-DLP-Home-Theater-3D-Projector-2-FREE-3D-Glasses-HDMI-/360473140247

Thanks!
post #857 of 1582
I asked this question a while back, but now that there are many new Sharp owners, perhaps someone will have experimented more.

We're coming from a high end Benq and used to the razor sharp image provided by the MSRP $7K optics.
A couple of "expert" reviews have commented that the Z30K image is good, but not "bleeding edge" sharp. With a lot of lower resolution source material, this might be a good thing...

I get it that the Sharp Z30K provides a relatively sharp picture and has the DLP "pop", but the lens is probably the weak link in the chain...I'm sure that there is only so much you can do for <$2K.

For 3D, it's hard to imagine a cleaner image. In fact, much of the discussion here is related to the amazing 3D from the Z30K.
However, I still hope the 2D performance can be tweaked somehow. At least closer to our old 2006 Benq. Several people here use the two PJ solution. That's not practical for us.
Any thoughts or ideas along these lines?

Has anyone experimented more with an external processor (like the Darbee) on the Z30000?

There has been so much discussion about external "sharpening" for the JVCs and Sony's, in an effort to get closer to the DLP "pop".
I can recall very little said about adding it to the low cost DLP chain.

Thanks.


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post #858 of 1582
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

True, but I'm not sure how many people have had time to put significant hours on Series 003 lamps yet. I send people your way on the B-Stocks from the sub-2k forum almost one per day, because I think they are great deals regardless. I was fairly happy got 1,500 hours on the 002 lamp, but I didn't like the way it exploded.
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The JVC 003 bulbs with the flapper installed came out about 14 months ago (that's when I got mine) so there should have now been enough time to be hearing about problems with short life if that had been the case. It does appears this final generation of JVC lamps have finally corrected with the major issues with the earlier versions. Any given lamp and brand of projector can have have a premature failure but the normal premature failure (i.e. bulb explosions or early dimming below 50%) rate for lamps should be well under 1%.




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Edited by Ron Jones - 5/12/13 at 9:00am
post #859 of 1582
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Originally Posted by Ron Jones View Post

The JVC 003 bulbs with the flapper installed came out about 14 months ago (that's when I got mine) so there should have now been enough time to be hearing about problems with short life if that had been the case. It does appears this final generation of JVC lamps have finally corrected with the major issues with the earlier versions. Any given lamp and brand of projector can have have a premature failure but the normal premature failure (i.e. bulb explosions or early dimming below 50%) rate for lamps should be well under 1%..

The difference being is that most JVC's were sold with 002 lamps. The sample size we have on 002 lamps is probably 5x larger than 003, maybe 10x larger. I have not seen any posts about people going over 1000 hours yet on any 003 lamp (there may be one or two), but I have seen lots of posts on it about 002 lamps. We do have a decent sample size on the NEXT GEN RS-46/48/56/66 lamps (though limited time period), but not on the 003 lamps. If the 003 lamps have been out for 14 months, how many people immediately got an 003 lamp, exactly. It's a very small sample size.

I'm not convinced that from an engineering perspective you can add a flapper as an air shroud and magically solve the problem on what appears to be a defective lamp design. Even if the reason the lamp fails is heat related,. the flapper imitating an air shroud probably helps some, but the problem doesn't appear to be purely heat related. I would guess the lamp was just MFR'd poorly.

I'm hopeful, but not convinced, my engineering gut feeling tells me they are still problematic, unless they changed more of the internals out. Furthermore, if the 003 fix was really that great, then JVC likely wouldn't have completely re-engineered the lamp for the RS-46 gen of projectors.
post #860 of 1582
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Originally Posted by humbland View Post

I asked this question a while back, but now that there are many new Sharp owners, perhaps someone will have experimented more.

We're coming from a high end Benq and used to the razor sharp image provided by the MSRP $7K optics.
A couple of "expert" reviews have commented that the Z30K image is good, but not "bleeding edge" sharp. With a lot of lower resolution source material, this might be a good thing...

I get it that the Sharp Z30K provides a relatively sharp picture and has the DLP "pop", but the lens is probably the weak link in the chain...I'm sure that there is only so much you can do for <$2K.

For 3D, it's hard to imagine a cleaner image. In fact, much of the discussion here is related to the amazing 3D from the Z30K.
However, I still hope the 2D performance can be tweaked somehow. At least closer to our old 2006 Benq. Several people here use the two PJ solution. That's not practical for us.
Any thoughts or ideas along these lines?

Has anyone experimented more with an external processor (like the Darbee) on the Z30000?

There has been so much discussion about external "sharpening" for the JVCs and Sony's, in an effort to get closer to the DLP "pop".
I can recall very little said about adding it to the low cost DLP chain.

Thanks.

The reviewers usually only get 1 sample to base their review upon. Is it a lemon, average or golden sample? I've only seen 2 30k's, but already saw some sample variances in the lens between 2 copies. Each would have a slight different review depending on which one I was using.

it's easy to check focus uniformity / overall sharpness. Put the iris in high contrast mode to reduce lens flare and CA and put up the focus grid. Get the focus dead on in the center. Check out the rest of the screen going all the way to the corners. Can you see each pixel well defined and not bleeding into it's neighbor?

3 panels owners are staring at convergence and focus uniformity. If I get one that is excellent as both, I keep it.

The point of the above is to not generalize a specific model's capability since something as important as sharpness is going to vary from sample to sample. The original, uber-expensive projectors like the Marantz DLP's had very expensive lenses in them. They *better* be sharp for what these cost back in the day. Today it's a bit more pot luck since the projectors prices have dropped considerably and materials + QA isn't the same.

regarding the Darbee, I use it on all my projectors, regardless of which panel tech it has. My 'set it and forget it' # is the green HD mode @ 35%. It's a great addition to all of these models when used in moderation. It looks amazing combined with JVC's e-shift. Something unique happens with this combo.

2 projector setup - the difference for me between the 30k and the RS55 isn't sharpness, they both look great on the 142" HP. I watch a lot of dark-sci, it's all about the native contrast here. For all the DI's i've seen, none of the other models perform quite as convincing as the JVC with these movies.

For 3D, I've seen the best attempts at crosstalk free, flicker free 3D from SXRD, LCD and LCOS.They can't entirely match what DLP is capable of with 3D content. There is literally no chance of crosstalk or flicker with this technology. Some will argue it's close enough for most people and I agree. My large bright screen makes any crosstalk obvious and of course doing the 3D reviews has forced my eye to become a magnet for it. This projector just 'feels right' when watching 3D for the solid image (no flicker) and sharp, crosstalk free PQ.

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sharp-3d1.jpg

sharp-3d2.jpg

Can you smell what The Rock is cooking? Journey to the Mysterious island is one of the Sharpest 3D blurays available.

sharp-3d6.jpg

This dark scene is relatively convincing on the Sharp in 3D, contrast looks good. Much better than the W7000.

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sharp-3d7.jpg

of course it's not really this dark, but this is another scene that looks better on the Sharp vs. the W7000.

sharp-3d9.jpg

Step up 3D - great overall sharpness and the night club scenes are a good torture test for contrast, crosstalk, etc.

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post #861 of 1582
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

The difference being is that most JVC's were sold with 002 lamps. The sample size we have on 002 lamps is probably 5x larger than 003, maybe 10x larger. I have not seen any posts about people going over 1000 hours yet on any 003 lamp (there may be one or two), but I have seen lots of posts on it about 002 lamps. We do have a decent sample size on the NEXT GEN RS-46/48/56/66 lamps (though limited time period), but not on the 003 lamps. If the 003 lamps have been out for 14 months, how many people immediately got an 003 lamp, exactly. It's a very small sample size.

I'm not convinced that from an engineering perspective you can add a flapper as an air shroud and magically solve the problem on what appears to be a defective lamp design. Even if the reason the lamp fails is heat related,. the flapper imitating an air shroud probably helps some, but the problem doesn't appear to be purely heat related. I would guess the lamp was just MFR'd poorly.

I'm hopeful, but not convinced, my engineering gut feeling tells me they are still problematic, unless they changed more of the internals out. Furthermore, if the 003 fix was really that great, then JVC likely wouldn't have completely re-engineered the lamp for the RS-46 gen of projectors.

Its unknown what the sample size if for any of the JVC lamp versions. The 003 version without the flapper came out around Jan. 2012 (or perhaps a little earlier) and it appears that version was probably more reliable then versions 001 or 002. Then in late March or early April 2012 the updated 003 version with the flapper first come out, at least came to the USA. So it was not just the addition of flapper with the 003 lamps that improved reliability over the 002 lamp, since the bulb itself that was used in the 003 version was claimed to be more reliable than the bulb used in the 002 version. Anyone getting a replacement lamp directly from JVC USA starting around earlly April 2012 got the 003 version with the flapper. Also any of the 2012 model JVC projectors manufactured around that date or later should also have the 003 w/flapper lamp. The totally different lamp design used in the current JVC projectors only came out about 6 months ago when those projectors began shipping so there should a larger quantity of high hours (i.e., 1000+) 003 lamps with flappers in use than is the case for the new generation of lamps (used only in the 2013 model JVC projectors). Also remember that generally projector owners that are not having issues usually don't post about their experience so who knows how many JVC projector owners using 003 lamps w/flappers are actually out there and what percent have had lamp failures.

This is clearly the wrong thead to be having a discussion about JVC lamps, since there are other threads that already cover that topic.



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Edited by Ron Jones - 5/12/13 at 11:14am
post #862 of 1582
"it's easy to check focus uniformity / overall sharpness. Put the iris in high contrast mode to reduce lens flare and CA and put up the focus grid. Get the focus dead on in the center. Check out the rest of the screen going all the way to the corners. Can you see each pixel well defined and not bleeding into it's neighbor?"

Zombie, can you give a specific set up protocol for the Z30000 to check 2D sharpness and focus uniformity.
Do you set Iris #1 in max contrast and Iris #2 "On"? Then to minimize "bloom", I suppose you use Eco+Quiet Mode?
How much variation did you see in the image quality between samples? Was it mostly in overall sharpness or in focus uniformity, or both?
Thanks
post #863 of 1582
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

direct from the Sharp training room:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pGVVI0rp0o

This trainer is very serious about home theater. He is going to school you why DLP doesn't have crosstalk @ 3:48. smile.gif

sharptraining.jpg

Well, if he is correct, and he just might be, this would be why SXRD has made significant moves in the crosstalk/ghosting area as their speed is now faster than before (240Hz), correct?
post #864 of 1582
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Originally Posted by Ron Jones View Post

Its unknown what the sample size if for any of the JVC lamp versions. The 003 version without the flapper came out around Jan. 2012 (or perhaps a little earlier) and it appears that version was probably more reliable then versions 001 or 002. Then in late March or early April 2012 the updated 003 version with the flapper first come out, at least came to the USA. So it was not just the addition of flapper with the 003 lamps that improved reliability over the 002 lamp, since the bulb itself that was used in the 003 version was claimed to be more reliable than the bulb used in the 002 version. Anyone getting a replacement lamp directly from JVC USA starting around earlly April 2012 got the 003 version with the flapper. Also any of the 2012 model JVC projectors manufactured around that date or later should also have the 003 w/flapper lamp. The totally different lamp design used in the current JVC projectors only came out about 6 months ago when those projectors began shipping so there should a larger quantity of high hours (i.e., 1000+) 003 lamps with flappers in use than is the case for the new generation of lamps (used only in the 2013 model JVC projectors). Also remember that generally projector owners that are not having issues usually don't post about their experience so who knows how many JVC projector owners using 003 lamps w/flappers are actually out there and what percent have had lamp failures.

This is clearly the wrong thead to be having a discussion about JVC lamps, since there are other threads that already cover that topic.
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Agree, wrong thread, we can continue in other thread if you wish. Last post, but lamp threads inactive lately. Well to be honest there are many problems with the assumptions on the data. # 1) For people that had their lamps blow in the Forums, they are less likely to rack hours up as fast, or they have upgraded already to newer JVC. #2) Regardless of 003 lamp dates, my point is the most sales were done with 002 lamps, and it's not like there was so much data in the forum that people posted about a lamp failure very often even during the peak of it (maybe one every 7 days). So it seems perfectly normal we hear nothing about 003 lamps, like I said far from conclusive evidence. You cannot have those kind of muddling factors and make any judgement at all, there is NOT enough people using 003 lamps heavily in this forum, I've asked several times if anyone has over 800-1000 hours on an 003 lamp, and no-one has said anything. If I post the same about the old lamp, I get 10 replies almost immediately as evidenced from previous posts. Also, so many more people now have (2) projector setups instead of (1) PJ, that they put fewer hours on the JVC.
post #865 of 1582
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Originally Posted by larrimore View Post

Well, if he is correct, and he just might be, this would be why SXRD has made significant moves in the crosstalk/ghosting area as their speed is now faster than before (240Hz), correct?

There's more to it than just the panel speed. JVC proved this isn't that simple this year. the panel speed didn't change, but they improved the 3D to the point where it's pretty close to the Sony. The major difference now is the FI in 3D and the flicker. Regarding flicker vs.panel speed - this seems linear and goes from poor to excellent in this order: 120->240->480->DLP

The flicker in 3D will generally give me a headache after an hour or so. Of all the non-DLP's in the shootout thread, the Epson was the best here. The image was relatively solid.

This is a video of the HW50 on the L/R patterns. The flicker you see is being exaggerated by the camera, but I can never fully tune out the flicker on the jvc's or Sony's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjtCzs1oraM

for reference, the W7000. The 30k is identical, there is no sense of being in 3D, the image is rock solid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMrAK4hogX8
post #866 of 1582
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

There's more to it than just the panel speed. JVC proved this isn't that simple this year. the panel speed didn't change, but they improved the 3D to the point where it's pretty close to the Sony. The major difference now is the FI in 3D and the flicker. Regarding flicker vs.panel speed - this seems linear and goes from poor to excellent in this order: 120->240->480->DLP

The flicker in 3D will generally give me a headache after an hour or so. Of all the non-DLP's in the shootout thread, the Epson was the best here. The image was relatively solid.

This is a video of the HW50 on the L/R patterns. The flicker you see is being exaggerated by the camera, but I can never fully tune out the flicker on the jvc's or Sony's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjtCzs1oraM

for reference, the W7000. The 30k is identical, there is no sense of being in 3D, the image is rock solid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMrAK4hogX8

Awesome videos. Since I can, this pretty much makes my mind up to go to a 2 PJ (DLP for 3D) setup until/if, other types of technology solve this issue. BTW, the screen shots also make me want to test the Sharp even more. Sharpness is excellent. If I knew the RBE was better on the Sharp than the Optoma HD3300, I'd go ahead and buy one.
post #867 of 1582
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Originally Posted by humbland View Post

"it's easy to check focus uniformity / overall sharpness. Put the iris in high contrast mode to reduce lens flare and CA and put up the focus grid. Get the focus dead on in the center. Check out the rest of the screen going all the way to the corners. Can you see each pixel well defined and not bleeding into it's neighbor?"

Zombie, can you give a specific set up protocol for the Z30000 to check 2D sharpness and focus uniformity.
Do you set Iris #1 in max contrast and Iris #2 "On"? Then to minimize "bloom", I suppose you use Eco+Quiet Mode?
How much variation did you see in the image quality between samples? Was it mostly in overall sharpness or in focus uniformity, or both?
Thanks

correct, that setup will help with checking the focus. The variance is related to focus uniformity which imo is a big part of the overall sharpness. It's exaggerated on large screens with close seating distances. Also by the specific throw distance.

My seats are 14 feet from the 142" 16:9. projector(s) are located @ 16 feet. At this location, if the projectors can nail sharp focus across the board, then that's a great sample for my setup. For reference, it's difficult to find a Sony HW30 or HW50 that can nail this uniformity test.
post #868 of 1582
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Originally Posted by larrimore View Post

Awesome videos. Since I can, this pretty much makes my mind up to go to a 2 PJ (DLP for 3D) setup until/if, other types of technology solve this issue. BTW, the screen shots also make me want to test the Sharp even more. Sharpness is excellent. If I knew the RBE was better on the Sharp than the Optoma HD3300, I'd go ahead and buy one.

Unfortunately, a lot of us cannot afford a 2 PJ combo. But the Sharp seems like the best option for a one gun solution.
post #869 of 1582
Definitely one very decent option as an all-in-one solution. Zombie has done a lot of good work in the forums, even though I sometimes give people a hard time in here (it's all in the fun of engineering certainty).

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post #870 of 1582
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Originally Posted by biliam1982 View Post

Unfortunately, a lot of us cannot afford a 2 PJ combo. But the Sharp seems like the best option for a one gun solution.

Cost of 2 PJ is a factor, but mounting them is also huge. I've seen pictures of the "double dip" ceiling mounts...
"Sigh", Perhaps someday I'll have a dedicated room, but for the time being WAF is a major consideration.

BTW, "Happy Mom's Day" to AVSers.

It's "chick flick" night on all the display devices smile.gif
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