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post #1021 of 1641
4/6/12 at 7:14am
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

The control set on the VT makes it a different animal compared to the ST and GT. The 10 point grayscale/gamma and 3D CMS allow a calibrator to dial the display in to near perfection.

If you do not care to have all of your dE below 1, get the ST. Otherwise get the VT.

Will the VT have less banding and smoother grayscale?

- Rich
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post #1022 of 1641
4/6/12 at 7:25am
The Panasonic sets seem to have improved but not eliminated the rising blacks for 2011. Does anyone know if the new drive technology and phosphers will further reduce the rise in blacks? That's my only real hesitation at this point with the VT50, I still plan on taking the plunge, but the wife asked that I not buy another TV for four or five years if I do

Also, I believe Panasonic released a firmware update on the VT30 to help minimize floating blacks and FBr which helped but didn't eliminate the problem. Are you guys seeing further reductions on the ST/GT line thus far? Wondering if the same reduction would then hold true for the VT line.
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post #1023 of 1641
4/6/12 at 7:29am
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Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 View Post

The Panasonic sets seem to have improved but not eliminated the rising blacks for 2011.

Link?
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post #1024 of 1641
4/6/12 at 7:39am
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

Link?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...3c&output=html

There's a lot more data out there too. According to CNET the VT25 is up to .0099 ft/l the VT30 is at .0068.

I'm just wondering if this is further improved for 2012. I would guess that it is? But I don't have hte expertise to say that with any authority.
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post #1025 of 1641
4/6/12 at 7:54am
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Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 View Post

The Panasonic sets seem to have improved but not eliminated the rising blacks for 2011. Does anyone know if the new drive technology and phosphers will further reduce the rise in blacks? That's my only real hesitation at this point with the VT50, I still plan on taking the plunge, but the wife asked that I not buy another TV for four or five years if I do

Also, I believe Panasonic released a firmware update on the VT30 to help minimize floating blacks and FBr which helped but didn't eliminate the problem. Are you guys seeing further reductions on the ST/GT line thus far? Wondering if the same reduction would then hold true for the VT line.

Why are we talking about the 2011 models here ? Makes things even more confusing. This is the 2012 thread.
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post #1026 of 1641
4/6/12 at 8:02am
I am wondering how far away the 65VT50 is. It is now listed on bestbuy Canada website so just wondering if they would list it on the website if it was still a month or two away yet? I am not familiar with how they list things or how early they typically list items, so just curious if it may be arriving a bit sooner than expected hopefully here in Canada.
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post #1027 of 1641
4/6/12 at 8:14am
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Originally Posted by slimoli View Post

Why are we talking about the 2011 models here ? Makes things even more confusing. This is the 2012 thread.

Because my post was pretty clear talking about new technology. They improved in 2011, will the improvement continue to 2012 and to what degree? Pretty self explanatory post.
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post #1028 of 1641
4/6/12 at 8:41am
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

Will the VT have less banding

Compared to the GT and ST? No

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and smoother grayscale?

- Rich

If you mean more linear grayscale, yes.
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post #1029 of 1641
4/6/12 at 9:21am
I was just in Best Buy and saw they had a Panny ST50 up against a Sammy UNES7500 (non-magnolia) and while I'm aware that the UNES is an LCD in torch mode, I can understand how people immediately flock to the LCD. Everyone, including me, is attracted to shiny objects. If I didn't know any better I would have picked the Sammy LCD hands-down.

Now I'm not crazy (def getting a plasma ) but this led me to thinking: there is all of this talk about black levels, but which will be the brightest 2012 plasma (including Samsung)? Do the advanced filters of the VT50 hurt or help brightness?
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4/6/12 at 9:25am
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Originally Posted by Tempest261 View Post

I was just in Best Buy and saw they had a Panny ST50 up against a Sammy UNES7500 (non-magnolia) and while I'm aware that the UNES is an LCD in torch mode, I can understand how people immediately flock to the LCD. Everyone, including me, is attracted to shiny objects. If I didn't know any better I would have picked the Sammy LCD hands-down.

Now I'm not crazy (def getting a plasma ) but this led me to thinking: there is all of this talk about black levels, but which will be the brightest 2012 plasma (including Samsung)? Do the advanced filters of the VT50 hurt or help brightness?

I have seen one calibrated to 50+fl and it hurt my eyes. So it will get bright.
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post #1031 of 1641
4/6/12 at 9:32am
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Originally Posted by wmwilker View Post


I have seen one calibrated to 50+fl and it hurt my eyes. So it will get bright.

Awesome! Which model was it?
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4/6/12 at 9:33am
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Originally Posted by Tempest261 View Post

I was just in Best Buy and saw they had a Panny ST50 up against a Sammy UNES7500 (non-magnolia) and while I'm aware that the UNES is an LCD in torch mode, I can understand how people immediately flock to the LCD. Everyone, including me, is attracted to shiny objects. If I didn't know any better I would have picked the Sammy LCD hands-down.

The exact same scenario occurred to me and my wife. I figured it was that the Sammy was set to torch mode but didn't know for sure. She immediately was turned off from the Panny. I'll have to do some damage control.
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post #1033 of 1641
4/6/12 at 9:37am
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Originally Posted by Kermit26.2 View Post

The exact same scenario occurred to me and my wife. I figured it was that the Sammy was set to torch mode but didn't know for sure. She immediately was turned off from the Panny. I'll have to do some damage control.

Some LCD's look pretty good in some environments. But I'll tell you I've got the 929 sitting in my living room right now. Most consider this one of the better LCD's on the market. It can compete on total black level with my Pioneer and competes on total whites...but put contrasting scenes on the screen at the same time and the Pioneer wins. It has more detail, more accurate colors and doesn't crush at either end of the light output scale. The 929 handles motion poorly, more poorly then I expected and not much better then my Samsung LCD in the gameroom. Needless to say, after using five different "recommended" settings and calibrating the set three times, I'm returning it and going back to plasma and plan on getting a VT50.

The Sony is good, it doesn't suck compared with most other tv's on the market, especially LCD but overall plasma still wins in my book, so I'm switching back.
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post #1034 of 1641
4/6/12 at 9:46am
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Originally Posted by TommmyJ View Post

I am wondering how far away the 65VT50 is. It is now listed on bestbuy Canada website so just wondering if they would list it on the website if it was still a month or two away yet? I am not familiar with how they list things or how early they typically list items, so just curious if it may be arriving a bit sooner than expected hopefully here in Canada.

Hopefully.

I'm getting mine from a big Panasonic dealer in Canada and I called him yesterday and he said no info yet on the VT. He thinks June Hopefully he gets an email from them saying end of the month

Best Buy has the UT on display only in Canada but damn....I thought I was looking at an LED at first due to the brightness. Also motion is really good on the UT as well. It's a night and day difference in motion resolution when comparing the samsung LCD with the Panasonic.

I have a feeling Panasonic sales will be way up this year. Better panel and better pricing.
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post #1035 of 1641
4/6/12 at 9:48am
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Originally Posted by tempest261 View Post

awesome! Which model was it?

60" st50
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post #1036 of 1641
4/6/12 at 10:01am
I called Gibbys in Ontario yesterday but they have no dates either. Well hopefully it is sooner than June. Thanks conan48 for the info.
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post #1037 of 1641
4/6/12 at 10:15am
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Originally Posted by wmwilker View Post


60" st50

I'm betting the ST50 I saw didn't have the cell intensity turned up. I couldn't find a rep to get me a remote to check.

When best buy inevitably goes out of business, it won't be a huge loss. They don't know how to set up anything. They had 2 Sammy plasmas, side by side, playing the latest Star Trek movie. One looked jaw droppingly gorgeous. The other looked hideous... they were the same exact model (the new PNE series).

Might as well be buying these things sight unseen.
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post #1038 of 1641
4/6/12 at 10:41am
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Originally Posted by Tempest261 View Post

I'm betting the ST50 I saw didn't have the cell intensity turned up. I couldn't find a rep to get me a remote to check.

When best buy inevitably goes out of business, it won't be a huge loss. They don't know how to set up anything. They had 2 Sammy plasmas, side by side, playing the latest Star Trek movie. One looked jaw droppingly gorgeous. The other looked hideous... they were the same exact model (the new PNE series).

Might as well be buying these things sight unseen.

He went back and dialed it down to I think 40fl but he was in custom.
I was surprised how well it calibrated with just the 2 point.
The colors are great with a very good black level.
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post #1039 of 1641
4/6/12 at 10:59am
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Originally Posted by Kermit26.2 View Post

The exact same scenario occurred to me and my wife. I figured it was that the Sammy was set to torch mode but didn't know for sure. She immediately was turned off from the Panny. I'll have to do some damage control.

The Panny was in torch mode too.

I had the same experience when I went to BB. I looked at all the panels for off axis problems too and I have to say that none, that were at eye level, look as bad as my LG 52LD550, which is also the tv I want to replace in my den.
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post #1040 of 1641
4/6/12 at 11:00am
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Originally Posted by hamsey View Post

Does the vt50 have a matte screen? Saw the st and did not like how reflective the screen was. Anybody remember from CES?

No high-end TV has anything resembling a matte screen anymore.

The VT will do a better job of rejecting ambient light than an ST because the fliter is better, but in terms of reflecting images, it will be nearly the same.

At least they are not as horrendous as Samsung LCDs, which can double as mirrors.
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post #1041 of 1641
4/6/12 at 11:03am
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Originally Posted by wmwilker View Post

He went back and dialed it down to I think 40fl but he was in custom.
I was surprised how well it calibrated with just the 2 point.
The colors are great with a very good black level.

How was the shadow detail? Is it improved over past models?
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post #1042 of 1641
4/6/12 at 11:11am
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Originally Posted by lexus300rb View Post

Well, it's been a week now and the picture on my 50ST50 is absolutely stunning. Did a basic calibration and am well pleased. Then thought I would monitor the power usage while watching normal TV with brightness (75) and contrast (65). The wattage used between 118-120 watts. This set uses less wattage than my Sony 40" LCD. All this time these sets were suppose to be power grabbers, not this one. AWESOME TV!

What do you have your backlight on your LCD set to? My 46" LCD used ~110watts and my 55" LED uses ~95w (edit: both calibrated to ~40fL).

Power consumption doesn't concern me, otherwise I wouldn't be buying a 60ST50. But fact of the matter is, Plasmas will and always use more power than LCD/LED. Plasmas use roughly 3x more power than an LED of equal size. Here where I live, that only makes a ~$70 difference annually for a 60" with normal use. Because Plasmas offer better bang for buck, your initial cost makes up for some of your hydro bills.
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post #1043 of 1641
4/6/12 at 11:11am
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

How was the shadow detail? Is it improved over past models?

I couldn't say from the past models. My friend is coming from a Samsung D8000. Plus I haven't watched it since he lowered the luminance.
He said that he is happy with it and I'm sure he'll post his impressions as he's a member too.
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post #1044 of 1641
4/6/12 at 11:45am
Thank you Wmwilker.
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post #1045 of 1641
4/6/12 at 1:18pm
A calibrated 65" plasma is going to have an average power consumption of on the order of 300 watts in 2012. (It's actually going to come in below that by a bit, almost certainly). That's it.

I'll let people make their own judgments about how acceptable that is to them.
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post #1046 of 1641
4/6/12 at 3:59pm
I'm new to all this, and possibly did something stupid, but bear with me. In Consumer Reports, I saw that the Panasonic VIERA TC-P42ST30 was a recommended buy, and had rave reviews on the picture: color, brightness, vividness, gorgeous, etc. I also had read (and I can't remember where), that the pricing on big ticket items was changing, and that beginning in April, MSRP's were going to be "enforced" by the manufacturer's so that brick and mortar stores pricing would be more competitive with e retailers, and that if you wanted to buy you should do so before April. (April fools?) I was out of the country 'til March 30, so when I got back and found a P42ST30 on Amazon for $719, I decided to take the plunge (sight unseen...I know, I know). When I clicked the link, no st30's were available, but it said "there is a newer model of this TV", same price, and the link took me to the P42UT50. Great, newer model, must have all the same advantages and then some (including the "brightness dimming" that had apparently been an issue with the st30), right? Bought it...it's here, and I'm just flabbergasted by the dimness of the picture. Granted, I'm watching SD programming mostly, and the HD movies etc. I stream thru Netflix are much better, but can't believe that after all the oohs and ahs over the brilliance of the picture described by CR and many other ST30 owners, that this is the same TV (of course, it's not...UT,not ST, but could it really be that different?). This is the first non-CRT I've owned, and don't buy TV's that often, so don't have much to compare it to, but am SERIOUSLY disappointed in the picture's brightness. Everything else seems to be OK, nice colors and black levels, etc, but SO dim. And that's with both the Brightness and Contrast cranked up to 100. So, I don't know if that's just the way plasma's are, or if I got a lemon, or if it's the difference between an ST and a UT, (no infinite black) or or? Know I should have never bought sight unseen, but have ALWAYS been able to trust CR and can't believe that this TV could have been the one they were referring to with their superlative adjectives describing it's picture. Anyone else out there have a 42UT50, or any UT50, and have any similar disappointments, or am I just crazy/stupid/unlucky? (Alright, I know what I did was stupid). Really don't want to have to return it via UPS, etc., but am extremely disappointed. Any fixes thru level adjustments, or any comments advice, commiseration, beration? Thanks.
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post #1047 of 1641
4/6/12 at 4:49pm
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Originally Posted by plctoo View Post

I'm new to all this, and possibly did something stupid, but bear with me. In Consumer Reports, I saw that the Panasonic VIERA TC-P42ST30 was a recommended buy, and had rave reviews on the picture: color, brightness, vividness, gorgeous, etc. I also had read (and I can't remember where), that the pricing on big ticket items was changing, and that beginning in April, MSRP's were going to be "enforced" by the manufacturer's so that brick and mortar stores pricing would be more competitive with e retailers, and that if you wanted to buy you should do so before April. (April fools?) I was out of the country 'til March 30, so when I got back and found a P42ST30 on Amazon for $719, I decided to take the plunge (sight unseen...I know, I know). When I clicked the link, no st30's were available, but it said "there is a newer model of this TV", same price, and the link took me to the P42UT50. Great, newer model, must have all the same advantages and then some (including the "brightness dimming" that had apparently been an issue with the st30), right? Bought it...it's here, and I'm just flabbergasted by the dimness of the picture. Granted, I'm watching SD programming mostly, and the HD movies etc. I stream thru Netflix are much better, but can't believe that after all the oohs and ahs over the brilliance of the picture described by CR and many other ST30 owners, that this is the same TV (of course, it's not...UT,not ST, but could it really be that different?). This is the first non-CRT I've owned, and don't buy TV's that often, so don't have much to compare it to, but am SERIOUSLY disappointed in the picture's brightness. Everything else seems to be OK, nice colors and black levels, etc, but SO dim. And that's with both the Brightness and Contrast cranked up to 100. So, I don't know if that's just the way plasma's are, or if I got a lemon, or if it's the difference between an ST and a UT, (no infinite black) or or? Know I should have never bought sight unseen, but have ALWAYS been able to trust CR and can't believe that this TV could have been the one they were referring to with their superlative adjectives describing it's picture. Anyone else out there have a 42UT50, or any UT50, and have any similar disappointments, or am I just crazy/stupid/unlucky? (Alright, I know what I did was stupid). Really don't want to have to return it via UPS, etc., but am extremely disappointed. Any fixes thru level adjustments, or any comments advice, commiseration, beration? Thanks.

I believe the panels are completely different between the two. If you bought it through Amazon why not return it and get an ST50?
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post #1048 of 1641
4/6/12 at 5:05pm
With the hassle of the break-down,, re-packaging, and getting it to a courier w/o incurring unwanted costs, that will be the most reasonable (albeit undesirable) solution, and is probably the way I'll go. I guess I was hoping for someone to say, "Oh, you must not have hit that 'Brightness' button on the back of the set", or some such thing. You know, the "EASY" button. Oh, well. C'est la vie.
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post #1049 of 1641
4/6/12 at 6:09pm
Sorry if it's been asked and answered already...i looked but could not find it......
Is there a difference in PQ between the ST50 and GT50? I see on the Panny site that they use the same panel.

So is the GT worth $500 more?

many thanks.....
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post #1050 of 1641
4/6/12 at 6:59pm
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Originally Posted by guss2 View Post

I was wondering about this post as well, it just doesn't make sense to me. Why would they pre-calibrate these sets and risk more humiliation. Gary

Look at panasonic's website. The VT's are ISFccc. Someone already posted the website link:

Here's a comparison of the VT, GT, and ST from Panasonic's web site
http://shop.panasonic.com/compare/?i...Nbr=TC-P65ST50
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