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post #1171 of 1641
4/14/12 at 11:48am
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Originally Posted by Miles Hi View Post

Hi, I´m thinking about buying a 65vt50, but I have a question first.

How long after 2011 series was available people started noticing the green blob bug?
I have been reading the first reviews of the vt30 and nobody speaks at all about that bug, but afterwoods almost everybody seems to have it.

I don´t want to spend that amount of money until I´m sure it doesn´t have any "important" bugs.

Thanks!

First, not all VT30's have it (mine does not). IMO, you get a very distorted picture of displays by hanging out at this forum. Second, there is no perfect display, and all have "issues." However, the 2012 Pannys so far seem to be the best non-Kuro plasmas available, judging by reviews so far. IMO, your best choices are either a Kuro (hard to find) or a VT50.
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post #1172 of 1641
4/14/12 at 12:49pm
Thanks BillP
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post #1173 of 1641
4/14/12 at 1:55pm
All these different models are starting to confuse me...

My 42S20 was hit by lightning and I have to replace it. Since it was a low end 1080P unit, I want to replace it with a similar unit. This is just a bedroom TV, but still want something close to it..

Found out that the 42UT50 is not coming out now, so I measured and realized a 50" would work in the same spot..

Question is, which 50" would be best?
U, UT or ST?

I saw the UT today at Best Buy and it seems like the screen is really reflective, something I didn't have with my S20.

It seems to me that the specs jump up quite a bit when you go from the UT to the ST. Right now the price on the UT is very attractive.

Can somebody please let me know if the screen is different on the ST? If it is and the addtional features are worth it, I will go with the ST...

Thanks in advance.
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post #1174 of 1641
4/14/12 at 2:05pm
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Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post

All these different models are starting to confuse me...

My 42S20 was hit by lightning and I have to replace it. Since it was a low end 1080P unit, I want to replace it with a similar unit. This is just a bedroom TV, but still want something close to it..

Found out that the 42UT50 is not coming out now, so I measured and realized a 50" would work in the same spot..

Question is, which 50" would be best?
U, UT or ST?

I saw the UT today at Best Buy and it seems like the screen is really reflective, something I didn't have with my S20.

It seems to me that the specs jump up quite a bit when you go from the UT to the ST. Right now the price on the UT is very attractive.

Can somebody please let me know if the screen is different on the ST? If it is and the addtional features are worth it, I will go with the ST...

Thanks in advance.

I think the general consensus here is the ST50 is the best bang for the buck. I don't feel the screen on my ST50 is very reflective at all.
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post #1175 of 1641
4/14/12 at 2:52pm
ST has AR coating and more picture adjustment options.
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post #1176 of 1641
4/14/12 at 4:30pm
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Originally Posted by palatal View Post

Does anyone know what mode is preferable for the UT50? Cinema or Custom with "Graphic" HDMI content type? Custom looks a bit brighter in mixed content scenes, and while the HDMI content setting brings color representation largely on par with cinema, reds seem over-emphasized in Custom mode.

Also, any idea on mll of the UT50 vs ST50?

D-Nice do you have any comments? No one is looking at this set. I would appreciate some advice from someone who has examined the 2012 lineup. Thanks.

I have just finished tuning up my friend's 42UT50.
It did not appear that Cinema mode was affected by HDMI set to graphic mode. However, all the other modes were greatly improved. They all looked similar now and many objectionable enhancements were disabled.

I adjusted the grayscale in the SM for Cinema and set Custom up for a brighter daytime mode. Cinema measured 34Fl. I did not measure Custom but I suspect it was closer to 40 fl.

For the money, this is a great TV.

- Rich
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post #1177 of 1641
4/14/12 at 6:12pm
I was told Panasonic wasn't releasing the 42UT50 by one of the dealers on here.... Not true?
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post #1178 of 1641
4/14/12 at 6:36pm
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Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post

I was told Panasonic wasn't releasing the 42UT50 by one of the dealers on here.... Not true?

Panasonic did release the TC-P42UT50 a few months ago, but it was only picked up by one retailer (Brandsmart) so Panasonic discontinued it in the 42" size. Amazon then bought up the remaining inventory so when those are gone, well then that's the end of the road for a 1080p Plasma in the 42" size.

Oh, and the ST50 has an excellent Anti-Reflective Filter while the UT50 does not have any AR Filter at all so yes the UT50 is much more reflective than the ST50.
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post #1179 of 1641
4/14/12 at 6:42pm
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

Panasonic did release the TC-P42UT50 a few months ago, but it was only picked up by one retailer (Brandsmart) so Panasonic discontinued it in the 42" size. Amazon then bought up the remaining inventory so when those are gone, well then that's the end of the road for a 1080p Plasma in the 42" size.

Oh, and the ST50 has an excellent Anti-Reflective Filter while the UT50 does not have any AR Filter at all so yes the UT50 is much more reflective than the ST50.

Thank you for the information. I was hoping something changed since I the TV I am replacing was a 42S20. The 50" is going to be tight and of course is going to cost more...

Stopped by a different Best Buy tonight and they had the 50U and 50UT side by side. They both seem to have the same type of screen. Then I went over and found a 55ST and the screen looked much better. Manager at BB said they weren't even going to carry the 50" in the ST...

Looks like I might be stretching my budget for the ST..
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post #1180 of 1641
4/14/12 at 6:53pm
I ordered the 42UT50 from Abt, bundled with the Panny 220 BD player for 719 plus free shipping. Then they cancelled saying that the model was discontinued. Seems now like that might be true, but it is also true that at least several have had it on offer, inc JR, etc. At least back a week or two ago, once I started haggling with Abt on the cancellation and was looking to show that it wasn't cancelled. I regret the cancellation, and have now spent more on the 50UT50 than I wanted to, but Abt is staffed by decent humans and they made me a decent deal on the 50" - tho that 42" deal was great.
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post #1181 of 1641
4/15/12 at 6:51am
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

I have just finished tuning up my friend's 42UT50.
It did not appear that Cinema mode was affected by HDMI set to graphic mode. However, all the other modes were greatly improved. They all looked similar now and many objectionable enhancements were disabled.

I adjusted the grayscale in the SM for Cinema and set Custom up for a brighter daytime mode. Cinema measured 34Fl. I did not measure Custom but I suspect it was closer to 40 fl.

For the money, this is a great TV.

- Rich

Were you able to adjust gamma in the SM?
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post #1182 of 1641
4/15/12 at 7:06am
Seems to me the 50UT50 would have a clearer image than the 50ST50 with no filter to speak of. I'm curious what benefit (other than reflections) do you get with the ST50's anti-reflective filter? Say for instance both displays were in a pitch black room. Is there a benefit then? Still have better blacks or what? I never like matte screens due to their often more dull, softer look. Don't get me wrong their great for bright rooms, but I only care about dark room performance and for it to be as crisp as possible (ala lcd crisp). Knowing that... will the screen of ST50 satisfy even a fan of Samsung's 'ultra clear' panels or not?
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post #1183 of 1641
4/15/12 at 9:43am
I keep bouncing back and forth between the U, UT and ST models. Keep reminding myself this is just a bedroom TV that isn't used for anything but Directv watching. Plus I am coming from a 42" S20 that is only being replaced due to lightning..

Anybody know if the screen on the S20 is similar to the U or UT? I didn't have any issues with reflections when viewing on it, mostly because the room stays dim or dark most of the time.
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post #1184 of 1641
4/15/12 at 10:39am
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Originally Posted by stepmback View Post


No VT? Is this the case at all the road shows? That is the tv I want to see.

Yeah, I was bummed, too--the folks I talked to there did not know why the vt wasn't being shown, and did not know if they would get one for the tour.

All if the tv's were mounted on walls, so if you do will not be able to see how they look on the stands.

Sorry if I got the dates wrong, I thought I copied them correctly!
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post #1185 of 1641
4/15/12 at 12:09pm
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Originally Posted by mnc View Post

Were you able to adjust gamma in the SM?

Not directly but the gamma is much better when you set the hdmi content type to graphics.

- Rich
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post #1186 of 1641
4/15/12 at 7:39pm
Will the 2012 models loose black levels over time? For some reason, VT30 went from 0.0045 ftL to 0.0068 after 2000 hours.
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Notably, the other two Panasonics didn't show the same kind of mini spike in black level. If I was to speculate on why the VT30 did, I'd guess it had something to do with an intentional internal adjustment--perhaps intended to correct a reddening of color temperature (see below) that also hurt black level slightly.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7...r-second-year/
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post #1187 of 1641
4/16/12 at 6:42am
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Originally Posted by COACH2369 View Post

Anybody know if the screen on the S20 is similar to the U or UT? I didn't have any issues with reflections when viewing on it, mostly because the room stays dim or dark most of the time.

Trust me. I have the awful reflective PK350 and even in a pitch dark room Isee my couch, I see my face, I see my curtains etc. pp, cause the room is lit with the light coming of the TV itself.

My old Panasonic S10 was way better in this regard!
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post #1188 of 1641
4/16/12 at 10:36am
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Originally Posted by curiousdude View Post

Will the 2012 models loose black levels over time? For some reason, VT30 went from 0.0045 ftL to 0.0068 after 2000 hours.


http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7...r-second-year/

Did you actually look at that chart? The only Panasonic that had a problem with rise is the VT, while the ST & GT kept getting darker. Also, both Samsungs continued to rise.

I've seen some who were questioning the documenting of the VT30 levels, but that is for them to hash out. In reality the VT30s rise actually means nothing to me since it really isn't an indication of a trend that will impact my purchases (I'll never buy a VT).

Edit: I just remembered that D-Nice saw a drop in black level on the ST50 to 0.0028Fl after 268 hours. Though there may been a more recent update that I've missed.
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post #1189 of 1641
4/16/12 at 11:58am
Wondering if by now someone can give their impressions on the ST50's 3D performance and 3D picture quality. Is their crosstalk or ghosting? Seems like the CNET review said their was some crosstalk. Just wondering if anyone could comment on whether this can be something that's annoying.
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post #1190 of 1641
4/16/12 at 12:49pm
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

Did you actually look at that chart? The only Panasonic that had a problem with rise is the VT, while the ST & GT kept getting darker. Also, both Samsungs continued to rise.

I've seen some who were questioning the documenting of the VT30 levels, but that is for them to hash out. In reality the VT30s rise actually means nothing to me since it really isn't an indication of a trend that will impact my purchases (I'll never buy a VT).

Edit: I just remembered that D-Nice saw a drop in black level on the ST50 to 0.0028Fl after 268 hours. Though there may been a more recent update that I've missed.

If I remember correctly, the ST50 dropped a bit at first, then rose again back to it's initial level or something close to that. (If I'm remembering correctly from what I read)

The 2011's exhibited the same behavior...drop, rise, stablilize, etc. I don't think CNet is releasing any further updates for those unfortunately.
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post #1191 of 1641
4/16/12 at 12:53pm
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Originally Posted by hhaller View Post

If I remember correctly, the ST50 dropped a bit at first, then rose again back to it's initial level or something close to that. (If I'm remembering correctly from what I read)

The 2011's exhibited the same behavior...drop, rise, stablilize, etc. I don't think CNet is releasing any further updates for those unfortunately.

Do you think you might be able to locate the info on where the ST50 rose again? Thanks.
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post #1192 of 1641
4/16/12 at 1:09pm
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Originally Posted by hhaller View Post

If I remember correctly, the ST50 dropped a bit at first, then rose again back to it's initial level or something close to that. (If I'm remembering correctly from what I read)

The 2011's exhibited the same behavior...drop, rise, stablilize, etc. I don't think CNet is releasing any further updates for those unfortunately.

I haven't read anyone actually measure a rise in the 50 series, only a drop from 0.0049 -> 0.0028. There was discussion at HDJ that it should rise a bit and stabilize, but no actual measurements AFAIK.
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post #1193 of 1641
4/16/12 at 1:10pm
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Originally Posted by sheshechic View Post

Do you think you might be able to locate the info on where the ST50 rose again? Thanks.

I think it's over on that "other" forum. Again, that's just what I think I remember reading, don't hold me to that.

FWIW, if the black level "rises" to its original reading, I don't consider that a problem.
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post #1194 of 1641
4/16/12 at 1:16pm
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Originally Posted by rahzel View Post

I haven't read anyone actually measure a rise in the 50 series, only a drop from 0.0049 -> 0.0028. There was discussion at HDJ that it should rise a bit and stabilize, but no actual measurements AFAIK.

That's what I read as well. My 60st50 dropped to .0026 after 100 hours. It should rise to just below were it started after 2000 hrs. to prepare for long cycle usage. So I've heard.
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post #1195 of 1641
4/16/12 at 1:25pm
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Originally Posted by adrian s View Post

That's what I read as well. My 60st50 dropped to .0026 after 100 hours. It should rise to just below were it started after 2000 hrs. to prepare for long cycle usage. So I've heard.

Yours might drop even more before it starts to rise. I believe D-Nice didn't measure his drop until several hours after his initial measurement, which I'm assuming was at the 100 hour mark considering that's what his recommended prep time is for his settings. The larger panels are supposed to have slightly better blacks.
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post #1196 of 1641
4/16/12 at 1:41pm
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Originally Posted by rahzel View Post

Yours might drop even more before it starts to rise. I believe D-Nice didn't measure his drop until several hours after his initial measurement, which I'm assuming was at the 100 hour mark considering that's what his recommended prep time is for his settings. The larger panels are supposed to have slightly better blacks.

You wouldn't hear any complaints from me.
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post #1197 of 1641
4/16/12 at 2:04pm
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Not directly but the gamma is much better when you set the hdmi content type to graphics.

- Rich

What exactly does the hdmi graphics selection do? I have this on my 2011 set and while I don't believe it affects gamma I do see a noticeable change in black/white clipping in mixed scenes. How is the graphics setting affecting the panel?
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post #1198 of 1641
4/16/12 at 3:22pm
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Originally Posted by sage11x View Post

What exactly does the hdmi graphics selection do? I have this on my 2011 set and while I don't believe it affects gamma I do see a noticeable change in black/white clipping in mixed scenes. How is the graphics setting affecting the panel?

Only Panasonic or insider could answer that one.
On the UT50, it disabled sharpness and gamma enhancements.

On the GT30, it improved the gamma tracking in all modes but THX.
This provides a smoother more natural picture, but it may reduce POP.
In Graphics mode, I could not washout the whites in Custom mode.
Not even at 100% contrast but the peak white level was reduced.

It is not hard to try.

- Rich
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4/16/12 at 3:39pm
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post


Only Panasonic or insider could answer that one.
On the UT50, it disabled sharpness and gamma enhancements.

On the GT30, it improved the gamma tracking in all modes but THX.
This provides a smoother more natural picture, but it may reduce POP.
In Graphics mode, I could not washout the whites in Custom mode.
Not even at 100% contrast but the peak white level was reduced.

It is not hard to try.

- Rich

I was concerned that the graphics selection might affect other areas of processing or picture quality. I would likely only use the feature for gaming as long as it doesn't introduce lag. When I tried it I noticed a significant improvement in shadow detail and white clipping in game mode. In cinema it didn't seem to make any difference at all. Only issue is I run trough an hdmi equipped receiver to do my switching and accessing this selection is a real PITA.
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post #1200 of 1641
4/16/12 at 9:16pm
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Originally Posted by adrian s View Post

That's what I read as well. My 60st50 dropped to .0026 after 100 hours. It should rise to just below were it started after 2000 hrs. to prepare for long cycle usage. So I've heard.

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Originally Posted by rahzel View Post

Yours might drop even more before it starts to rise. I believe D-Nice didn't measure his drop until several hours after his initial measurement, which I'm assuming was at the 100 hour mark considering that's what his recommended prep time is for his settings. The larger panels are supposed to have slightly better blacks.

D-Nice saw a drop in black level on the ST50 to 0.0028Fl after 268 hours.
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