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post #121 of 1640
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Originally Posted by mperuc View Post

They say this is the 55 vt 50 in a complete black room??

where did that come from?
post #122 of 1640
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Yep, at CES the Panasonic line looks great. The bezels are slimmer, the sets are thinner, they look good. The problem is they can not be tested and we have a little wait until the new line up will be out to do so.

-- I will note that Panasonics LED line up looked sweet. Almost no bezel and .5" thick !

sorry, but most people don't watch the sides of there TV.

weight of the TV for a given size is MUCH more important to me by a long shot!

and a bezel that is ONE color.... not with a silver racing stripe.

the slim bezels are nice though!
post #123 of 1640
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

No

What exactly does single pane of glass design mean?

I need to replace my busted 58c7000 if Sammy ever gets me my refund check, I was going to get the VT30, but now.......
post #124 of 1640
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Originally Posted by michaelahess View Post

What exactly does single pane of glass design mean?

A bit ironic but it means there are two "glasses": The actual plasma panel (a glass) is behind the "glass" (actually plastic I guess) which is a part of the case/bezel (and thus it looks like the whole panel+case+bezel is a single sheet).
post #125 of 1640
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Originally Posted by nervx View Post

jesus christ you think it would kill them to offer one high end model in the 42"-46" size.

Worse than that, it seems there might not even be a model as good as the P42ST30.

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Well ya it would, since they wouldnt sell enough of them to cover the cost of manufacturing. They dont want to go the way of Pioneer in their TV division.

It isn't about being able to sell a P42VT50 for a low enough price, it is about the fact that buying larger than 42" physically isn't an option for alot of buyers. If they sold a VT50 at 42" it would be almost the only option for a decent TV in that size bracket and they could charge accordingly. There are 310 million people in the US yet the P42VT30 was widely manufactured in country-specific versions for countries as little as the size of Alabama.
post #126 of 1640
I think I enjoy the research/forum talk and the like about new products more than actually getting the new products. No joke! But i'm sure I won't be too sad once I actually do get my new tv.
post #127 of 1640
I remember when I was buying my pioneer 4360 in maybe 2006 or so,I had looked at the Panasonic and maybe the Toshiba plasmas that were made with two panes. It seems to me if i remember correctly those televisions had a visible space between the plasma panel itself and the outside glass. I was just hoping the new models were not still made that way. It sounds like you can't really see the difference between single or two panes on current models so it wouldn't be an issue.
post #128 of 1640
Panasonic is the only one who has ever made a 42 inch 1080p plasma. And that in itself should make it a selling point. But problem is they most likely dont sell many of them.
One important fact to know is that 2/3 of all plasmas sold in the world is 768p models!
And those are most of them probably 42 inch models, and they are CHEAP!
And knowing the VERY bad salesmen in the stores, who is going to tell the costumers why they should pay more for the same size?! And the smaller pixels on the 1080p models makes them darker too ( less phosfor per pixel = less lightout put ) and that makes them looks bad compared too most other tvs in a bright store.
And the bigger resolution is hardley noticed, and tv looks better on the 768p models too ( i have 2 for just that reason! ). So 42 full hd is a model that has a kinda hard spot on the market!
But i still hope they keep it here in europe, since i just like you think that there really needs to be a smaller sized top model!

But the full hd plasma has very small part of overall sales in the world, no matter what size it is.

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Originally Posted by homerging View Post

Worse than that, it seems there might not even be a model as good as the P42ST30.

It isn't about being able to sell a P42VT50 for a low enough price, it is about the fact that buying larger than 42" physically isn't an option for alot of buyers. If they sold a VT50 at 42" it would be almost the only option for a decent TV in that size bracket and they could charge accordingly. There are 310 million people in the US yet the P42VT30 was widely manufactured in country-specific versions for countries as little as the size of Alabama.
post #129 of 1640
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Originally Posted by saprano View Post

You guys really think samsung and LG's OLED TV's are being released this year? I'll believe it when i see them in bestbuy for $9000.

I do know that LG states that their OLED will be available around Sept. 2012. I'm not saying they will, but LG sure is.


If indeed the claimed metrics for OLED actually manifest on the productions models then the whole HDTV game changes and LCDs and Plasmas will be passe. Yeah, people will still buy them .... cause they can't afford OLED .... but they'll still be passe.
post #130 of 1640
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Originally Posted by HerbalEd View Post

I do know that LG states that their OLED will be available around Sept. 2012. I'm not saying they will, but LG sure is.


If indeed the claimed metrics for OLED actually manifest on the productions models then the whole HDTV game changes and LCDs and Plasmas will be passe. Yeah, people will still buy them .... cause they can't afford OLED .... but they'll still be passe.

I'd be interested to hear what someone on the CES show floor has to say about the current OLED screens compared to the 50 series plasmas. I know in past years, even though OLED has been given a lot of hype for its vibrant colors and thin casing, there have been issues with shadow detail, etc. Colors that pop won't do it for me, it would need to out perform plasmas overall. How is the motion on OLEDs?
post #131 of 1640
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Originally Posted by skro View Post

I'd be interested to hear what someone on the CES show floor has to say about the current OLED screens compared to the 50 series plasmas. I know in past years, even though OLED has been given a lot of hype for its vibrant colors and thin casing, there have been issues with shadow detail, etc. Colors that pop won't do it for me, it would need to out perform plasmas overall. How is the motion on OLEDs?

Well the colors are so vibrant in part because of the perfect black depth. Motion resolution is oustanding with OLEDs as well. While i'll be enjoying my new VT series this year, i doubt anyone who was at CES wouldn't say that the OLEDs from Samsung and LG supremely annihilate any of the other plasma offerings. It's just a superior technology.
post #132 of 1640
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Originally Posted by beagle five View Post

And the bigger resolution is hardley noticed, and tv looks better on the 768p models too ( i have 2 for just that reason! ). So 42 full hd is a model that has a kinda hard spot on the market!

Um, I'm pretty sure my 1080p 42" ST30 will shame your 768p plasma...
post #133 of 1640
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Originally Posted by RobbyTV View Post

sorry, but most people don't watch the sides of there TV.

weight of the TV for a given size is MUCH more important to me by a long shot!

and a bezel that is ONE color.... not with a silver racing stripe.

the slim bezels are nice though!

NOR do they carry them around! i could care less about the weight.
post #134 of 1640
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Originally Posted by karlmalone1 View Post

Well the colors are so vibrant in part because of the perfect black depth. Motion resolution is oustanding with OLEDs as well. While i'll be enjoying my new VT series this year, i doubt anyone who was at CES wouldn't say that the OLEDs from Samsung and LG supremely annihilate any of the other plasma offerings. It's just a superior technology.

Interesting. I'll take your word for it, but I could swear that in write-ups from previous years I saw some complaining of shadow detail and such. I need to read up on OLED to understand how it works.
post #135 of 1640
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Originally Posted by karlmalone1 View Post

Well the colors are so vibrant in part because of the perfect black depth. Motion resolution is oustanding with OLEDs as well. While i'll be enjoying my new VT series this year, i doubt anyone who was at CES wouldn't say that the OLEDs from Samsung and LG supremely annihilate any of the other plasma offerings. It's just a superior technology.

Does anyone have a good technical explanation (or link) that does an in-depth comparison of Plasma versus OLED tech?
post #136 of 1640
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Originally Posted by doomnaut View Post

anybody know if the ST50 or GT50 will have 96hz support?

Doubt it. I'd be happy if they used 72Hz for the ST/GT.
post #137 of 1640
Is that a silver strip around the edge of the set????
post #138 of 1640
head over to Robert's FB(VE) for a nice interview with Panasonic's Gregg Lee:

https://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/**...c/107818673444
post #139 of 1640
the wikipedia page for OLED is pretty in depth, though doesn't directly compare to plasma

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OLED
post #140 of 1640
I seem to remember the OLED has an issue with the colors fading at different speeds making it a poor technology for TVs.
Have they solved the issue, or do they just not care?
post #141 of 1640
[quote=beagle five;21481789]Panasonic is the only one who has ever made a 42 inch 1080p plasma.And the bigger resolution is hardley noticed, and tv looks better on the 768p models too ( i have 2 for just that reason! ).
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My panny (P77X) is 768p and I have been very pleased with it too. One can argue the point but I believe the 768p was the better match for SD TV and with fewer emitting elements the 768's ran cooler and used less energy . Time has moved on though and I'm ready for a 1080p set with 3D, there is more HD TV available and the screen improvements are impressive. I want to move to a larger 60 inch screen also so that would mean going to 1080p. This years crop of new pannys are a lot better than last years and by Fall should be available for good prices. I probably won't get the VT as I don't need ISF calibration controls but the GT looks to be pretty much the same glass and features at a better price.
post #142 of 1640
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Originally Posted by DoctorM View Post

I seem to remember the OLED has an issue with the colors fading at different speeds making it a poor technology for TVs.
Have they solved the issue, or do they just not care?

that is in line with info told to me. Something about color blue having a 3 year life?
shrug, time will tell.
post #143 of 1640
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Originally Posted by DoctorM View Post

I seem to remember the OLED has an issue with the colors fading at different speeds making it a poor technology for TVs.
Have they solved the issue, or do they just not care?

I haven't heard that they have and that may be why we're not seeing them yet.
If floating blacks caused such an uproar just think what fading colors would be like. Affordable OLED's are probably another year or two off.
post #144 of 1640
The wikipedia page has mention of this issue, although it seems to be fixed or being fixed....per wikipedia:

blue OLEDs historically have had a lifetime of around 14,000 hours to half original brightness (five years at 8 hours a day) when used for flat-panel displays. This is lower than the typical lifetime of LCD, LED or PDP technology—each currently rated for about 25,000–40,000 hours to half brightness, depending on manufacturer and model.[58][59] However, some manufacturers' displays aim to increase the lifespan of OLED displays, pushing their expected life past that of LCD displays by improving light outcoupling, thus achieving the same brightness at a lower drive current.[60][61] In 2007, experimental OLEDs were created which can sustain 400 cd/m2 of luminance for over 198,000 hours for green OLEDs and 62,000 hours for blue OLEDs.[62]
post #145 of 1640
Please get back on topic. If you want to discuss OLED take it to the appropriate thread in the appropriate part of this forum.
post #146 of 1640
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Originally Posted by HerbalEd View Post

I do know that LG states that their OLED will be available around Sept. 2012. I'm not saying they will, but LG sure is.


If indeed the claimed metrics for OLED actually manifest on the productions models then the whole HDTV game changes and LCDs and Plasmas will be passe. Yeah, people will still buy them .... cause they can't afford OLED .... but they'll still be passe.

Candidly this discussion about OLEDs is postcards for Prestor John at this stage.

We've seen a few show units that will likely exceed $5K street prices. While in theory the picture should be incredible, the technology is new and unknown in mass market setting.

This discussion is about panasonic plasmas, but there's seems to be this painful shiny object of OLEDs that people have to ping pong with
post #147 of 1640
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Originally Posted by gsdtrainer View Post

please get back on topic. If you want to discuss oled take it to the appropriate thread in the appropriate part of this forum.

+1.
post #148 of 1640
OK...back on topic. Did anyone watch those facebook interview videos? Pretty neat, but I couldn't quite follow which features would not make it down from the VT to the GT? Different sized RGB...is that VT only? etc.
I'm trying to understand what is in the ultra panel. It seems the GT and VT share the same grey level gradiation increase, but it also looks like the ST and GT share the same infinite black panel.
post #149 of 1640
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Originally Posted by mfrey0118 View Post


Um, I'm pretty sure my 1080p 42" ST30 will shame your 768p plasma...

Well one of them is a pioneer 428, so... No.
post #150 of 1640
D-Nice can you tell if VT50 solved 96hz false contouring from VT30? Is it able to play 24p properly as a 9G Kuro? Thanks
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