Official Panasonic 2012 Lineup and Information Thread [No Price Talk] - Page 45

Actually, the unit of measurement will be degrees F or C.

Power usage is a different animal. Related to temperature, but not that directly. I have a laptop that uses 120w and it's keyboard/battery temp is around 105F. It it used 400w it would not be 4 times hotter.

I don't think temperature is the most useful measurement in this case. When it's running, different parts of a plasma (or laptop) will measure at different temperatures. Choosing one spot on the device to measure is a little arbitrary. I'm going to stick to my guns on this one and say the ability of any device to heat up a room is measured in watts. I could have an object the size of a pinhead at 1000F drawing one watt and it will heat up the room very slowly regardless of its temperature. Conversely, a very broad hot plate the size of a door drawing 10000 watts may not feel very hot to the touch at any given point on its surface but I guarantee that heat is going somewhere and will heat your room very quickly.

Not sure how much heat the 55st50 actually puts out but after letting it run all night with slides i can tell you that it is no where near as hot as the 5 year old Samsung 1080p it replaced. I would say it puts out a quarter of the heat as my old one. My old one heats up the basement even in the winter.
That being said it is hotter than the LG55 LW5600 edge lit led that I bought and returned first, that thing put out no heat that I could notice.

I noticed on the Panasonic website that for the GT and VT models it has:

Bluetooth** Y (Keyboards / audio devices)

With the note:

** HID (Human Interface Device Profile) compliant keyboards are available. A2DP (Advanced Audio Distribution Profile) compliant audio devices are available.

Does anyone know if this means that a person could potentially use a keyboard for say... navigating the browser/apps etc? It would be nice to use a real keyboard for the YouTube app.

Based upon nothing more scientific than a Personal Sense of Touch - - would GUESS that our 60" ST50 runs at least slightly warmer than our 60" ST30 did. Both radiant heat from the front of the panel, and contact heat on the rear panel (albeit only at selected spots) "feel" warmer than with the ST30.

The ST50 certainly SMELLED "Hot" during its first dozen or so hours of usage. That is not apparent now, although whether due to is absence, or our becoming accustomed to it, is not clear...

Yes, that should be possible.

Most plasmas are similarly luminously efficient these days. Which is to say, they make about as much light as one another.

If you hook up a Kill-a-Watt, you will get the average power usage over time.

Since something close to 100% of the power will be used to make heat or light, the power consumption will be fairly accurate to determine how hot it gets. What's actually fairly useless is putting your hand on some part of the TV and deciding it's hot. That's a local measure and not at all interesting. My laptop gets hot in one spot, but it wouldn't affect the room temperature if left on for days straight. Why? It just doesn't make much heat.

Using power consumption is a fairly good proxy for how hot your room will get from your plasma. And except in extreme cases, no 2012 plasma is going to make much difference either way. The same could not be said of a 2003 plasma.

I already said a lot of that. The original question was basically how hot are this years plasmas, and subsequent responses raised the question of whether plasmas convert a higher percentage of their energy consumption into heating the room than say incandescent bulbs or LCD TVs.

I now believe no, there is no difference. All of them basically heat a room at the same fraction of their rated power draw: 100%.

Andy Sullivan, here's your original post about heat:

You might not have noticed, but
the post just above yours shows a photograph of a European 50"VT50 clearly labeled as putting out 195 W.

And earlier in this thread this guy said he measured 120 W on his 50"ST50

And rogo claimed 'a 65" plasma' would come in at around 300 W after calibration.

So whether your 50 incher puts out 100 or 200, or your 65 puts out 300, really we have a rough idea of how much power 2012 plasmas are using up: it's not 20 and it's not 2000. It's going to be something like 200.

So what fraction of that 200 W goes to "heating up the room"? Apparently all of it.

I just ran across something that made me realize this in a wikipedia article (emphasis mine) :

A light bulb, for example, might have 2% efficiency at emitting light yet still be 98% efficient at heating a room (In practice it is nearly 100% efficient at heating a room because

the light energy will also be converted to heat eventually, apart from the small fraction that leaves through the windows) So your 200W TV is basically going to heat a (windowless) room just like a 200W incandescent bulb or a 200W hot plate or a 200W LCD TV or a 200W laptop or anything else. Watts is watts.

The plasma will make more light than an incandescent bulb proportionally (and therefore less heat). The conversion of light to heat will be so slow it will not be noticeable.

But then again, a 200-300w heater will never warm a room of any size.

Hi,

I too thought the Sharp might be a good idea...

I bought a 70" from BB about a month ago after being swayed by all of the great reviews. I had several problems with the picture quality. Poor shadow detail, motion artifacts (all settings off), poor backlight uniformity and a really narrow sweet spot. Lastly, the bezel, at least on the 2011 Sharp TV's, is pretty cheap looking shiny plastic. I'm not convinced at this point that the Sharp is even in the top tier of LCD panels (certainly not for viewing angle), much less competitive with plasma's.

The average TV buyer would probably be quite pleased with the Sharp. Its big and bright and colorful. If, however, you are at all picky about your image quality, save yourself the hassle and stay away from the Sharp.

The Sharp is a poor substitute for a Panny plasma.

I have returned mine and I will be getting a 65VT50 or ST50 like I should have done in the first place.

Mike

So basically if I set my blu-ray player or my receiver to output 60Hz instead of 24Hz then I'll never have to worry about the Panasonic using motion interpolation to correct the cadence, is that correct?

It's the not the quality of the motion interpolation that is the issue here. The VT series will have the same exact quality motion interpolation as the ST and GT series, from what I understand. The difference with the VT is that it has a 96Hz mode so you can completely avoid the conversion process altogether and just use 96Hz mode, which is evenly divisible by 24, thus no need for conversion.

If you like the "soap opera effect", or motion interpolation, then you would probably not ever even want to use the VT's 96Hz mode, since that would eliminate it entirely.

I definitely won't bother with 96hz, but I was wondering about the dual processor in the VT and the differences in the descriptions of the frame interpolation for the different models.


Max

FWIW, multitasking is no longer tentative, and is included, at least on the VT50 page:

http://panasonic.net/avc/viera/us/vt_plasma.html

65" GTs and VTs are now available for order on Panasonic.com.

Sweet. I wonder if that's accurate. No sign of them on Amazon yet...

It says "ships in 3-5 days" for both. Amazon has the 65" GT in stock.

They have started to show up at Magnolia as well. Inventory will probably be spotty though at first. Check with your local store before making the trip.

Anyone have any experience with the TC-P50XT50? I'm really looking at purchasing this one on Amazon. And what kind of delivery does Amazon use if anyone's had first hand experience. Thanks.

Will assume that the XT50 is a 720p panel with 3D - ??

Panasonic changed to a 1024x768 resolution for their 50-inch "720p" panels a few years ago. Unless you plan to sit at a fair distance - say, BEYOND 10 feet - and/or your eyesight is relatively poor, would NOT recommend a 50" panel at only 1024x768: SDE effect become very noticeable at closer distances with that large of a set.

FWIW: We have a 50" Panasonic panel that runs at 1366x768 resolution. Have always found the PQ to be Very Good, and routinely Recommended Panasonic "720p" panels. But when they dropped the resolution on their 50" set, we dropped those Panasonics from the recommended list...

Your Eyesight - and/or Your Budget - might dictate otherwise, but would suggest at least looking at alternative panels.

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Have found Amazon to be very nice to work with - just be certain you are buying FROM Amazon, not a 3rd Party. (Or, at least check out the policies of whomever you purchase from - BEFORE making the purchase!)

Delivery varies by locality: we had very good luck with White Glove on 2 60" Panels, but others have reported a Less-Than "White Glove" Experience.

Best of luck with whatever you chose....

I was all set to go try to order a 65" GT50 from BB today, and when I got there, they had a VT50 on display. We spent a good amount of time with it--lights on, lights off, etc--and we ended up ordering a 65" VT50 to be delivered Thursday morning!

Mazel tov!

We expect extensive reports.

(Funny how those of us who suggested these would probably be a bit early some months ago got slapped down and yet here they are.... early.)

Thanks, rogo. Reports will be forthcoming--probably not until the weekend. I don't remember being this excited to get my vt25, it's going to be a long 5 days.

Just got back from Costco & they had the TC-P50U54 up & it looked good. They had it in between 2 LEDs, a Sammy UN55EH6050 & Panny TC-L47E5. Their video loop even included some Ice Hockey & the U54 looked very good resolving the ice surface, just as good as the 2 LEDs. There were some good dark scenes from various movie trailers or whatever they were showing in the loop & the U54 exhibited decent black levels & shadow detail much better than the other 2. The U54 was le$$ than the other 2 as well.

Prior to the aforementioned visit, I had visited another Costco, which only had the Sammy PN51E535, and it definitely paled in comparison to this U54. They even had the same video loop with the Ice Hockey, and no matter what setting I put the E535 on, it looked like 'dirty ice'.

Any possible chance you could provide a sku# for the 65vt50? I have been to my local magnolia store every day for the past week as well as calling other local stores and they all claim it is not anywhere in their system at all. Thanks.

It's 5025182.

SKU is 5025182. The store is correct that it was not showing up in their system. SKU's do not typically show up this far ahead of their expected release date. They should be able to order it through OMS though. Just mention that to them and they should know what you are talking about.

that's strange because I gave bestbuy that same sku to order through oms for delivery and they told me that it wasn't avail yet

I ordered a 55in vt on thursday from the BB website and didnt see the 65 offered yet

The 65 should be on the web site on Monday. It is available to order in-store currently though.