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post #1351 of 1640
In the past 96Hz had issues, I'm curious to see if it works this year. I can't wait for the first professional review!
post #1352 of 1640
An elementary question - free of issues, what is the advantage of 96Hz?

Thanks.
post #1353 of 1640
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Originally Posted by Nethawk View Post

An elementary question - free of issues, what is the advantage of 96Hz?

Thanks.

Because it is a multiple of 24 it supposedly can create a smoother cadence for 24p content, at least that is my understanding. Other tvs have to do a 3:2 pulldown method to convert the content.
post #1354 of 1640
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Originally Posted by Nethawk View Post

An elementary question - free of issues, what is the advantage of 96Hz?

Thanks.

I did some searching and saw this comment online -
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96Hz reduces motion blur and flicker but introduces 4 edges on movement.

It's very subtle and better than the motion blur. You get something similar at the cinema where you get 2 edges due to each frame being displayed twice.
post #1355 of 1640
Hey guys,

Not to derail the thread for this years models but i was wondering if there is considerable difference between this and last year's models.

I am looking at the 65" GT 30 vs 50

Last year's model is half the price right now and i can't decide if it worth the money.

I could save around 1800 if i pick last years

Thanks so much!
post #1356 of 1640
Thread Starter 
There is a considerable increase in picture quality this year compared to last year's models, but i don't think it's worth an $1,800 premium unless having the better picture quality is very important to you. Is that $1,800 difference correct? That sounds extreme.
post #1357 of 1640
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

There is a considerable increase in picture quality this year compared to last year's models, but i don't think it's worth an $1,800 premium unless having the better picture quality is very important to you. Is that $1,800 difference correct? That sounds extreme.

Yeah i know we can't talk prices but $1800 vs $3400
post #1358 of 1640
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Originally Posted by sillycyberfunguy View Post

Hey guys,

Not to derail the thread for this years models but i was wondering if there is considerable difference between this and last year's models.

I am looking at the 65" GT 30 vs 50

Last year's model is half the price right now and i can't decide if it worth the money.

I could save around 1800 if i pick last years

Thanks so much!

I can't speak to the GT30 to GT50 but going from the ST30 to ST50 was a MAJOR upgrade in image quality.

I had the misfortune of cracking the screen on my 11 month old p60st30 and have had a p55st50 in my home for about a week now and it is very evident which TV performs better.

ST50 does better in all of areas below.
1. Noticeably better black levels. With any lighting in the room the black bars appear to blend into the bezel

2. Brighter screen but not at the expense of color saturation

3. Cleaner image. Not sure what it is about this set but it has a MUCH clearer image when watching compressed content such as DTV or Dish.

4. Much more accurate skin tones

5. No green or red shift like last years ST30

6. No audible buzzing from the set unless the content is all white and takes up most of the screen. Even then, you have to listen for it. The ST30 would buzz when switching resolutions or no content is on the screen. The very slight buzz you do hear if you hear it at all is a much more palatable frequency as well.

7. Built in Wi-Fi

8. Lighter and much more modern looking. Looks very similar to the PNxxD7000. Very nice form factor

9. The frame interpolation is handled much better this year. Turning motion smoothing to low does not give you nearly the soap opera affect as last years model.

10. No shifts in brightness at all when you defeat the ABL feature in Custom mode under pro settings.

11. HDMI ports are off the side rather than the back so you don't have to worry about clearance for your cables when mouting it on the wall

12. Blu tooth 3d glasses sync up quickly and stay in sync at further distances than last years model. The new 2012 3d glasses are much cheaper and much lighter and more comfortable.

13. Does not seem nearly as susceptible to IR. My ST30 had some issues with this. I have not seen even a hit of IR on this set after several hours of gaming on it. I would still recommend being careful as you would with any plasma display.

14. Massively improved anti glare filter. On my ST30 I could see reflections of the TV that were bouncing off pictures I had on the wall behind my central viewing position. Can't see this at all with this set. Really big improvement. It almost fools you into thinking you are watching TV on a matte screen it is that effective.


This set is so superior to my now broken ST30 I am almost happy the ST30 was broken. It is WAY better than the ST30 so based off this I would have to assume the ST or GT50 would be better than last years GT30.

I would go so far as to say there is absolutely nothing the ST50 does not do better than the ST30. This is how I would expect a quality Plasma to operate and look.

Hope my observations help. I have nothing but great things to say about this years models and what it does do better it does noticeably better. Huge leap in everything that counts from my observations.
post #1359 of 1640
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Originally Posted by BiotypE View Post

I can't speak to the GT30 to GT50 but going from the ST30 to ST50 was a MAJOR upgrade in image quality.

I had the misfortune of cracking the screen on my 11 month old p60st30 and have had a p55st50 in my home for about a week now and it is very evident which TV performs better.

ST50 does better in all of areas below.
1. Noticeably better black levels. With any lighting in the room the black bars appear to blend into the bezel

2. Brighter screen but not at the expense of color saturation

3. Cleaner image. Not sure what it is about this set but it has a MUCH clearer image when watching compressed content such as DTV or Dish.

4. Much more accurate skin tones

5. No green or red shift like last years ST30

6. No audible buzzing from the set unless the content is all white and takes up most of the screen. Even then, you have to listen for it. The ST30 would buzz when switching resolutions or no content is on the screen. The very slight buzz you do hear if you hear it at all is a much more palatable frequency as well.

7. Built in Wi-Fi

8. Lighter and much more modern looking. Looks very similar to the PNxxD7000. Very nice form factor

9. The frame interpolation is handled much better this year. Turning motion smoothing to low does not give you nearly the soap opera affect as last years model.

10. No shifts in brightness at all when you defeat the ABL feature in Custom mode under pro settings.

11. HDMI ports are off the side rather than the back so you don't have to worry about clearance for your cables when mouting it on the wall

12. Blu tooth 3d glasses sync up quickly and stay in sync at further distances than last years model. The new 2012 3d glasses are much cheaper and much lighter and more comfortable.

13. Does not seem nearly as susceptible to IR. My ST30 had some issues with this. I have not seen even a hit of IR on this set after several hours of gaming on it. I would still recommend being careful as you would with any plasma display.

14. Massively improved anti glare filter. On my ST30 I could see reflections of the TV that were bouncing off pictures I had on the wall behind my central viewing position. Can't see this at all with this set. Really big improvement. It almost fools you into thinking you are watching TV on a matte screen it is that effective.


This set is so superior to my now broken ST30 I am almost happy the ST30 was broken. It is WAY better than the ST30 so based off this I would have to assume the ST or GT50 would be better than last years GT30.

I would go so far as to say there is absolutely nothing the ST50 does not do better than the ST30. This is how I would expect a quality Plasma to operate and look.

Hope my observations help. I have nothing but great things to say about this years models and what it does do better it does noticeably better. Huge leap in everything that counts from my observations.

It's unfortunate that no one can make an endorsement for this years models without bashing the 2011 models, I suppose that's the nature of the beast, tho, cant wait until the 2013's come out so we can see all the 2012 models bashed
post #1360 of 1640
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

It's unfortunate that no one can make an endorsement for this years models without bashing the 2011 models, I suppose that's the nature of the beast, tho, cant wait until the 2013's come out so we can see all the 2012 models bashed

I would say this is a fair comparison. You can't compare 2 things and say 1 is better WITHOUT "bashing" the inferior model. That is the nature of comparison. I think he did a great job at explaining where the new model was superior without focusing on the downfalls of the 30 series. Just my 2 cents....
post #1361 of 1640
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Originally Posted by Speakerphile View Post

I would say this is a fair comparison. You can't compare 2 things and say 1 is better WITHOUT "bashing" the inferior model. That is the nature of comparison. I think he did a great job at explaining where the new model was superior without focusing on the downfalls of the 30 series. Just my 2 cents....

It's all about a value proposition imo, people like to feel superior to other people based on things as trivial as a tv purchase, it happens ever year on here about this time. I'd be the first one to concede significant improvements were made with the 2012 models this year but that doesn't make the previous years sets mediocre.
post #1362 of 1640
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Originally Posted by kevin_mahaney View Post

It's 5025182.

Thanks but unfortunately the sku still did not work for me as of yesterday. Will try again today as it is a new week. Hopefully it will work this time.
post #1363 of 1640
Does anyone know if Sears will carry the VT50 series? Through her work, my wife has discount pricing with Sears.
post #1364 of 1640
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

It's all about a value proposition imo, people like to feel superior to other people based on things as trivial as a tv purchase, it happens ever year on here about this time. I'd be the first one to concede significant improvements were made with the 2012 models this year but that doesn't make the previous years sets mediocre.

I did not bash last years model, remember, I spent a good chunk of money on last years model. I was trying to be helpful to the gentlemen who wanted comparisons.

There were many things I liked about last years model which is why I purchased it. This years model is just better. That is not a bash, it is an observation. If I hand't broken the screen on my st30 I would still have it and would not have responded to this post.

There may be consumers reading this who might like to know user observations who have had the ability to compare them. Did not mean to upset anyone with lasts years model at all as it is a quality display and won numerous top pick awards last year for best value/picture.
post #1365 of 1640
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Originally Posted by colonel7 View Post

Does anyone know if Sears will carry the VT50 series? Through her work, my wife has discount pricing with Sears.

I have a sears discount too- I used it yesterday at my local sears that does NOT have the VT50 in stock, but I was able to order one and within their 10% off sale to boot. I'll have it in a week or two. The whole ordering process was relatively painless- so far anyway
post #1366 of 1640
I went by my Sears yesterday too. They said they could order it for me, but I wouldn't get the sale price because they would have to order it. So they lost me.

I ordered one last night from Amazon.
post #1367 of 1640
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Originally Posted by rmongiovi View Post

I went by my Sears yesterday too. They said they could order it for me, but I wouldn't get the sale price because they would have to order it. So they lost me.

I ordered one last night from Amazon.

Wow sounds like some poor floor staff at your store. They had to call a manager over to verify but they were totally cool about it in my case.
post #1368 of 1640
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Originally Posted by Tempest261 View Post

I have a sears discount too- I used it yesterday at my local sears that does NOT have the VT50 in stock, but I was able to order one and within their 10% off sale to boot. I'll have it in a week or two. The whole ordering process was relatively painless- so far anyway

I'm assuming Sears price was full MSRP before the 10% discount. Is that correct?
post #1369 of 1640
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Originally Posted by pboy207 View Post


I'm assuming Sears price was full MSRP before the 10% discount. Is that correct?

Yes. But given the other sears discounts mine came out to ~$3k even.
post #1370 of 1640
^^^

What size?
post #1371 of 1640
65"
post #1372 of 1640
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Originally Posted by Tempest261 View Post

Yes. But given the other sears discounts mine came out to ~$3k even.

Nice and Congrats!! I'm sure that week or two will seem like forever waiting for it to arrive. I'm very interested to hear user impressions and the pro reviews of the NA models.
post #1373 of 1640
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Originally Posted by Tempest261 View Post

Yes. But given the other sears discounts mine came out to ~$3k even.

post #1374 of 1640
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Originally Posted by Tempest261 View Post

I have a sears discount too- I used it yesterday at my local sears that does NOT have the VT50 in stock, but I was able to order one and within their 10% off sale to boot. I'll have it in a week or two. The whole ordering process was relatively painless- so far anyway

Thanks, good to know when I am ready to order in a few months.
post #1375 of 1640
I ordered my set (65VT50) from BB today and it will be delivered on Wednesday. Got them to price match without any paper work also.
post #1376 of 1640
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Originally Posted by jbug View Post

I ordered my set (65VT50) from BB today and it will be delivered on Wednesday. Got them to price match without any paper work also.

Who did you get them to match?
post #1377 of 1640
Didn't know Sears and BB has these available yet.

The measurements of this unit are only slightly larger than my 60" Elite Kuro...

Might have to check one of these out.
post #1378 of 1640
Chad B is calibrating the VT50 and is having issues with ISf Day and Night , he's not sure if its a Caman issue or a panel issue.

here we go again!

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...6#post21996936
post #1379 of 1640
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Originally Posted by airgon74 View Post

Chad B is calibrating the VT50 and is having issues with ISf Day and Night , he's not sure if its a Caman issue or a panel issue.

here we go again!

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...6#post21996936

I don't understand how Spectracal can charge so much for the Autocal add-on license when it's still such a buggy mess >
post #1380 of 1640
I was shocked to see Cnet's review of the UT50 panel.

They actually gave it 4 out of 5 stars and said it is pretty much identical to the ST50... as long as you turn the lights out while watching it.

Samsung's top plasma only got 3-1/2 stars.

I don't think I'd want to sacrifice the upgraded sound, the ability to watch in a brighter room and the extra HDMI ports, and I'm sure a bunch more features.

Just surprising though.
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