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post #781 of 1641
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Originally Posted by NxNW View Post

Choice is good, but then again you have to basically sit with your knees touching a 42" plasma to get the "full benefit" (or really even see any benefit) of 1080p.

The typical use case for a "television" is in the home. In the home, a typical use case is a living room. In a living room, a typical use case is a teen foot distance between couch and TV.

A 42" TV just doesn't need 1080p at that distance.

Plus I believe it costs more to make a panel with smaller plasma cells (all other things being equal).

You can make a product with shrinking margins for a growing market, or a product with growing margins for a shrinking market, but you can't make a product with shrinking margins for a shrinking market.

Yes, but you're forgetting that LCD sells gajillions of 40" 1080p panels and that, for many people, 40-42" is all their budget or space will afford-- or perhaps all the display they feel they will need! By removing the 42" as a choice, Panasonic is basically ceding the small/mid-size market to LCD. Meaning less and less people will be exposed to plasma as a choice because-- let's face it-- 1080p is a standard that most shoppers will require. Less exposure means fewer recommendations for friends and family and fewer returning shoppers as LCD worked so well last time...
post #782 of 1641
I guess, but again, I *believe* plasmas get much more expensive (not in an absolute sense, but in a comparative sense, eg "per foot-lambert") as they get smaller, LCD's less so. Panasonic doesn't seem like the kind of company that would try too hard to win "converts" by selling products that lose money.
post #783 of 1641
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Originally Posted by kevin_mahaney View Post

This is obviously conjecture, but I would assume through the TV's media playback you should be able to get 5.1. I believe I remember watching Amazon VOD titles in 5.1 through my vt25's VieraCast, which should be the same principle.

I might contact Panasonic and ask them directly about this, and I'll report back here if I learn anything.
post #784 of 1641
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Originally Posted by sage11x View Post

Eagle, I should probably have mentioned that I don't care for tv very much. Seriously, you would be hard pressed to find someone on this forum who has less interest in 99.9% of the crap they shovel onto the air. Even stuff I like I lose interest in quickly as I have very little patience for poor writing or plot lines that go no where-- my recent loss of interest in both Dexter and the Walking Dead are good examples... And those were the ONLY tv shows I watch! Lol! No, if you were to ask me about good tv I could probably sum it up to you in one sentence: ST:TNG and the 2 seasons of cowboy bebop. Those are the only two shows I've enjoyed going back to.

So yes, I could agree with you that if I was watching one of THOSE two programs then maybe I would prefer the original aspect. Everything else they can stretch, crop or hack the hell out of because I just don't care.

No worries, I feel the same as you do about much of the crap on tv nowadays. But I am a big fan of 70's/80's sci-fi, and even some new shows in recent years have been quite good imo, even though most of it is garbage.
post #785 of 1641
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Originally Posted by NxNW View Post

I guess, but again, I *believe* plasmas get much more expensive (not in an absolute sense, but in a comparative sense, eg "per foot-lambert") as they get smaller, LCD's less so. Panasonic doesn't seem like the kind of company that would try too hard to win "converts" by selling products that lose money.

Could be considering they now sell a variety of competitive and feature laden LED LCDs they may want to boost sales of that product without introducing a lot of overlap. I agree.
post #786 of 1641
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post


No worries, I feel the same as you do about much of the crap on tv nowadays. But I am a big fan of 70's/80's sci-fi, and even some new shows in recent years have been quite good imo, even though most of it is garbage.

I too have a weakness for scifi even if it's only passable quality-- I'm looking at you In Time!

Check out cowboy bebop if you haven't already. Many dismiss it as a cartoon but it's actually a very well written sci fi serial! Hell, it's worth buying on DVD for the soundtrack alone!
post #787 of 1641
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Originally Posted by CxP View Post

Just ordered my 50" ST50 via Amazon. Should be here in about a week. I'm replacing a 32" CRT SDTV :-) .

Anyone wants me to check anything just let me know. My other TV is a 56" Samsung LED DLP HLT-5687SAX (in basement). The Panasonic will be in my great room.

I would have considered LCD but I needed a 50" set. No other choices to even look at it seems. This plasma looks like it'll be great nonetheless. Never had a plasma before.

CxP

Look forward to your impressions.
post #788 of 1641
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Originally Posted by sage11x View Post

Could be considering they now sell a variety of competitive and feature laden LED LCDs they may want to boost sales of that product without introducing a lot of overlap. I agree.

Good point.

And yes, Bebop rocks.
post #789 of 1641
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Originally Posted by airgon74 View Post

I will be attending the Panasonic press conf on Tuesday . I won tickets to Engadget.com early press conf ..
I will be posting pics and videos . I will also Ask about release dates.

Thank you! I will hold off untill Tuesday to purchase a tv!
post #790 of 1641
Ordered my first Plasma Saturday, 50" ST50 from Amazon, to replace my Sony 40" LCD.
Also ordered Disney WOW calibrating disc. Am I getting totally excited, or what!!!
post #791 of 1641
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Originally Posted by NxNW View Post

I guess, but again, I *believe* plasmas get much more expensive (not in an absolute sense, but in a comparative sense, eg "per foot-lambert") as they get smaller, LCD's less so. Panasonic doesn't seem like the kind of company that would try too hard to win "converts" by selling products that lose money.

And yet they continue to ignore what people want by say saying that their research indicates such. I don't like their researchers much, I don't know if it's the way they gather info or interpret it.

Last year I asked avjunkie why we don't get what EU gets and that was his response. In addition, he said that (where ISF controls are concerned) that people not only don't want it, but most couldn't use it, and might mess up their sets if they have it. Note that, even in 2012, you have to buy the top of the line plasma to get those controls from Panasonic but not other manufacturers. And I still wonder why we can't have USB HDD recording. EU's recording feature also works with their TV Guide so you can record coming program or set up reminders.
post #792 of 1641
I returned my 46hx929 and I'm another who needs something smaller than a 50". Another 46" would be perfect but it looks like 42-43 for a plasma. Since I'm single I could make a 50" fit but if I was married my idea for that would never go over! So far I haven't been able to find out much info on the ut42 or the 43e550. I just found the 42ut50 on Amazon on Sunday. Does anybody know what adjustments are available on the ut50? Does it have the same video processing as say the ST series? Any gray scale adjustments? BTW what is the pro setup I see mentioned on the ST series?
post #793 of 1641
Review of GT50 (UK) whathifi.com
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Not to keep the IR discussion stirred up (I agree it's already a dead horse), but have any Panasonic reps mentioned anything about IR and the new cell drive system in the GT50/VT50? It's apparently driven in an "all-new way", and naturally I wonder if that will affect IR issues (could even make them worse I suppose).
post #795 of 1641
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Originally Posted by akasmarty View Post

Review of GT50 (UK) whathifi.com

Holy crap. Now I'm excited.

Direct link to the GT50 review: http://www.whathifi.com/review/panasonic-tx-p50gt50
post #796 of 1641
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Originally Posted by Craigslue View Post

I returned my 46hx929 and I'm another who needs something smaller than a 50". Another 46" would be perfect but it looks like 42-43 for a plasma. Since I'm single I could make a 50" fit but if I was married my idea for that would never go over! So far I haven't been able to find out much info on the ut42 or the 43e550. I just found the 42ut50 on Amazon on Sunday. Does anybody know what adjustments are available on the ut50? Does it have the same video processing as say the ST series? Any gray scale adjustments? BTW what is the pro setup I see mentioned on the ST series?

I have read that the 42UT50 lacks the dual core chip and some adjustments. Also they have been discontinued. Amazon is the only place to get them and they only had 20 left. (brandsmart had a few, but I believe they are gone).


god bless
post #797 of 1641
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Originally Posted by Tempest261 View Post

Holy crap. Now I'm excited.

Direct link to the GT50 review: http://www.whathifi.com/review/panasonic-tx-p50gt50

Tempest- you doubt so many reviews like this on other tv's, and you believe this (looks like nothing more than a user review with no real facts). I would like to see some calibration reports - before we all GO APE SH#$.


god bless
post #798 of 1641
hey guys, I found something funny, it is about a samsung tv, several years ago - the first 82" at only 67,488.00 on amazon - you got to read the reviews - obviously no one really bought this but are they ever funny.



http://www.amazon.com/82In-Lcd-1920X...owViewpoints=1

god bless
post #799 of 1641
Wow, pretty glowing review. I'm definitely curious to see what D-NICE has to say about the new sets. Could be kicking the 2005 Samsung DLP to the curb for a VT65 this year.
post #800 of 1641
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Originally Posted by tonyjd40 View Post

Tempest- you doubt so many reviews like this on other tv's, and you believe this (looks like nothing more than a user review with no real facts). I would like to see some calibration reports - before we all GO APE SH#$.


god bless

Tony, I am skeptical of your reviews, like many other users, because you seem overly-enthusiastic about what you just bought. Don't take it personally. I read everything you've said about the Samsung PNE8000 and have taken it into consideration, but from what I experienced in the Magnolia Room (I agree it's not the ideal environment) coupled with first hand accounts of other owners, I have determined that the PNE series is no different from the PND series + new internet features, new interface features, and a camera. I'm sure if I had my meter and Calman software I could determine that there's a slight difference, but the only calibration results that I've seen have pointed to the PNE series actually being slightly dimmer, while having marginally better black levels. No thanks.

This was a professional review website, not a forum user, who wrote this GT50 review. The key aspect for me in this regard is that they didn't buy the TV, and therefore have this very important thing called objectivity. That said, I'm still skeptical until I see one myself, or at least until some more American reviewers get their hands on this set. UK reviewers seem to gloss over flaws pretty frequently, IMO.
post #801 of 1641
He also talks about how great the GT30 is/was, I thought these sets had their own issues as well; or am I wrong. Gary
post #802 of 1641
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Originally Posted by guss2 View Post

He also talks about how great the GT30 is/was, I thought these sets had their own issues as well; or am I wrong. Gary

Which is why in my post above to Tony, I admit my bias against this site, or even UK reviewers in general. They also gave the UNxxD8000 glowing reviews, and that television set was a disaster in my opinion.

I want them to rip apart the TV (figuratively speaking) and put a spotlight on what's wrong with it. The only reviewer that I've seen do this consistently is CNET's Katzmaier. I probably won't buy a set until I see his review first.
post #803 of 1641
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Originally Posted by Craigslue View Post

I returned my 46hx929 and I'm another who needs something smaller than a 50". Another 46" would be perfect but it looks like 42-43 for a plasma. Since I'm single I could make a 50" fit but if I was married my idea for that would never go over!

Well 50" is the new 42". To get a TV with good picture quality in 2012, it's going to have to be at least 50 inches. Anything smaller now will be an LCD and none of them can approach the PQ of last year's 42" and 46" ST30 regardless of price. Your 46HX929 came somewhat close (i seriously considered buying one last year) but that was the only one.

You might be surprised at the ability of the female race to accept a 50" screen size. When we allow the women to get involved in our TV discussions, i'm finding out that they seem to like the 50" size as it's not too small but not too big. They start to have a problem when the TV is 55" or larger as they don't want it to start dominating the room.


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So far I haven't been able to find out much info on the ut42 or the 43e550. I just found the 42ut50 on Amazon on Sunday. Does anybody know what adjustments are available on the ut50? Does it have the same video processing as say the ST series? Any gray scale adjustments? BTW what is the pro setup I see mentioned on the ST series?

I dunno if it has the same video processing, but the Pro Settings menu in the ST/GT/VT series is an additional advanced settings menu that becomes available when the TV is in the Custom picture mode where you can adjust gamma and screen brightness and some other stuff that i don't remember. The Pro menu is not available in any other Picture mode, only Custom. The online manuals for the 2012 models no longer contain information about any of the settings menus but if you look at the manual for the 2011 ST30/GT30 they are in there.

The UT50 does not have this Pro Settings menu.

The one thing that would absolutely make me NOT buy a UT50 is it's super-reflective screen. I finally spent some time with one in a darkened area at Fry's yesterday and it was way way too reflective, especially when displaying darker scenes where i could literally part my hair like i was looking in a dark mirror. Completely unacceptable right there.
post #804 of 1641
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Originally Posted by lexus300rb View Post

Ordered my first Plasma Saturday, 50" ST50 from Amazon, to replace my Sony 40" LCD.
Also ordered Disney WOW calibrating disc. Am I getting totally excited, or what!!!

Have a 40" B650 Samsung and want to replace maybe with a STW50 (GErman model) Tell me about your experiences when your new Plasma arrives.

I'm interested in daylight viewing experiencec with contrast, blacks, colors, brightness
post #805 of 1641
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Originally Posted by Tempest261 View Post

Which is why in my post above to Tony, I admit my bias against this site, or even UK reviewers in general. They also gave the UNxxD8000 glowing reviews, and that television set was a disaster in my opinion.

I want them to rip apart the TV (figuratively speaking) and put a spotlight on what's wrong with it. The only reviewer that I've seen do this consistently is CNET's Katzmaier. I probably won't buy a set until I see his review first.

Yeah, I definitely see where you're coming from. I wouldn't buy a set until after the next shootout anyway and until I got to see it with my own two eyes. Gary
post #806 of 1641
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Originally Posted by tonyjd40 View Post

hey guys, I found something funny, it is about a samsung tv, several years ago - the first 82" at only 67,488.00 on amazon - you got to read the reviews - obviously no one really bought this but are they ever funny.



http://www.amazon.com/82In-Lcd-1920X...owViewpoints=1

god bless

Lol! love it.
post #807 of 1641
I've changed my mind from a TC-P50GT50 to either a 65 or preferably a 70 inch TV. I'd prefer plasma if I can find one that will suit my needs. It has to be 3D with good quality viewing and without anything that will become annoying. If I had $6000 to $8000 to blow, the choice would be an easy one. I'd just buy a Sharp Elite and be done with it. But right now I only have $1700, and will be adding to this over time. Anything over $3000 seems a bit much right now. So, my search starts again.

If anyone knows of any good choices, or any good threads, please let me know here, or PM is ok.
post #808 of 1641
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Originally Posted by CatBrat View Post

I've changed my mind from a TC-P50GT50 to either a 65 or preferably a 70 inch TV. I'd prefer plasma if I can find one that will suit my needs. It has to be 3D with good quality viewing and without anything that will become annoying. If I had $6000 to $8000 to blow, the choice would be an easy one. I'd just buy a Sharp Elite and be done with it. But right now I only have $1700, and will be adding to this over time. Anything over $3000 seems a bit much right now. So, my search starts again.

If anyone knows of any good choices, or any good threads, please let me know here, or PM is ok.

Check Best Buy for open box 70LE632 or 70LE732 - they are going for about what you would like to pay. A new Panasonic TC-P65GT30 from Amazon is selling for $200 above your budget...
post #809 of 1641
I was just thinking about IR today. I'm wondering why none of the TV manufacturers have come up with anti-IR tech.

Follow me on this:
Have the TV track each pixel's brightness over time. Once it reaches a certain threshold (e.g., where the logo is for a network for too long or black bars), the TV will let you run the anti-IR (manually or perhaps as a screensaver).

For the anti-IR itself, the TV would then generate an inverse mask based on the pixel usage statistics, hold the still image for a set period of time, and then turn off when finished.

It would actually be more effective than random noise or sweeps because it would target each pixel specifically. The pixels would age more evenly on the whole and preserve panel uniformity.

Just a thought if anyone has Panasonic's ear.
post #810 of 1641
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Originally Posted by Tempest261 View Post

Holy crap. Now I'm excited.

Direct link to the GT50 review: http://www.whathifi.com/review/panasonic-tx-p50gt50


Worst review I ever read. No actual measurements of anything just some guy talking about the features of the tv, basically all things we already knew. What a worthless waste of time to read that
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