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post #931 of 1641
4/2/12 at 7:52pm
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Is there going to ever be a Panasonic without all the extras. I'm talking about the widgets like youtube and facebook and stuff. I don't want to surf the net. Just want to watch tv.

HA! I wish !!
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4/2/12 at 7:57pm
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Is there going to ever be a Panasonic without all the extras. I'm talking about the widgets like youtube and facebook and stuff. I don't want to surf the net. Just want to watch tv.

I've got an S2, so I'm seriously asking this question (and not being a jerk).... Do you ever have to see the widgets, etc. if you don't want to? You can just turn it on and have it set at a default input, right? My s2 doesn't have them.
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post #933 of 1641
4/3/12 at 6:10am
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I've got an S2, so I'm seriously asking this question (and not being a jerk).... Do you ever have to see the widgets, etc. if you don't want to? You can just turn it on and have it set at a default input, right? My s2 doesn't have them.

I don't know. I just don't want to pay for features I'm never going to use.
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post #934 of 1641
4/3/12 at 6:12am
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I don't know. I just don't want to pay for features I'm never going to use.

Unfortunately, we don't have a choice.
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4/3/12 at 6:54am
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I've got an S2, so I'm seriously asking this question (and not being a jerk).... Do you ever have to see the widgets, etc. if you don't want to? You can just turn it on and have it set at a default input, right? My s2 doesn't have them.

Yes. You don't see the smart crap unless you specifically access the Viera Connect menu. Otherwise, when you turn the TV on it just goes to whatever input it was on when you turned it off just like usual. I even forget that my TV has smart features - it's that invisible.



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....I just don't want to pay for features I'm never going to use.

Well really you're not paying much extra since it's mostly just software. Maybe another ten bucks. Same goes for the 3D feature - while i have absolutely zero interest in 3D, the technology does benefit regular 2D picture quality. Thankfully Panasonic doesn't include 3D glasses so that does a lot more to keep the cost down.
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post #936 of 1641
4/3/12 at 7:11am
My brother-in-law just purchased a 50UT50. I haven't seen it in action yet, but I received a text from him last night stating "I didn't realize that's what Blu-Ray was supposed to look like. Wow." I'm looking forward to checking it out, and will post feedback once I do. I'm living vicariously through his purchase while I await the install of the LG 55LM7600 we purchased.
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post #937 of 1641
4/3/12 at 7:51am
I'm intrigued by the 70VT50. I was originally wanting a 70 inch plasma, but thought I had to settle for the 65. This is the first I've heard about it.
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4/3/12 at 7:53am
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While i have absolutely zero interest in 3D, the technology does benefit regular 2D picture quality.

Huh? How so?
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post #939 of 1641
4/3/12 at 8:34am
The price of the 55gt50 just dropped at Amazon.
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post #940 of 1641
4/3/12 at 8:38am
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while i have absolutely zero interest in 3D, the technology does benefit regular 2D picture quality.

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Huh? How so?

I'd like to hear the answer to that too.

It seems to me that it may have benefits to 2D, but I've also read that also creates some problems as well.
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post #941 of 1641
4/3/12 at 9:05am
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I'd like to hear the answer to that too.

It seems to me that it may have benefits to 2D, but I've also read that also creates some problems as well.

IMO, 3D completely ruined LCD. IPS panels are only now beginning to come back and restore to a tolerable viewing angle.

As for Plasma, any negative impact I've read about has purely been anecdotal, but I sure as hell haven't heard of any BENEFITS. That doesn't make any sense to me, from an engineering point of view.
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post #942 of 1641
4/3/12 at 9:47am
3D forces faster displays which yields sharper motion in 2D.
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post #943 of 1641
4/3/12 at 10:14am
Just picked up a 50 inch GT50, I should have it up and running by tonight
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4/3/12 at 10:33am
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3D forces faster displays which yields sharper motion in 2D.

They're also brighter to overcome the darkening effect of the 3D glasses so that's another benefit on the 3D models.
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post #945 of 1641
4/3/12 at 10:38am
In EU they aren't brighter in 2D. In fact they're getting darker.
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post #946 of 1641
4/3/12 at 10:46am
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Just picked up a 50 inch GT50, I should have it up and running by tonight

I will give a first impression later today!
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post #947 of 1641
4/3/12 at 11:22am
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I will give a first impression later today!

Really looking forward to impressions of the GT. If you wouldn't mind, maybe a couple of pics, too?
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post #948 of 1641
4/3/12 at 11:31am
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I'm intrigued by the 70VT50. I was originally wanting a 70 inch plasma, but thought I had to settle for the 65. This is the first I've heard about it.

Stop being intrigued. By all evidence it won't be out this year, if ever.
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4/3/12 at 11:48am
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I will give a first impression later today!

WOOOHOOO!!! I can't wait!!
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post #950 of 1641
4/3/12 at 12:34pm
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Just picked up a 50 inch GT50, I should have it up and running by tonight

Awesome! NA or UK model? What calibration settings are available on your set? Pics please. Also, if you can check for buzz, IR, or any other issues, that'd be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance!
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post #951 of 1641
4/3/12 at 5:53pm
Hi. I've been reading these forums for about two weeks now because i wanted to do a little research before i updated my 50" S1 (first and only hdtv) to a larger/better tv. I am pleased with my panasonic and have no issues with green blobs, banding, buzzing, blacks, etc. what i think could be better however is "lack of visibility" in dark scenes. quite a few movies have many dark scenes and I think much detail is missing in the shadows. i have been to Best Buy and i don't get the impression the newer Panasonics's (or other models) are much better in this regard- though my room at home is dark and the store is obviously not. The expensive Elite TV's semed to be somewhat better in this regard but I didn't spend much time looking as they are out of my zone.
I guess my question is - If I take home a newer model would I notice an improvement regarding this or is this just the nature of plasma? I am somewhat suprised this is not discussed more. Thinking of a 65gt30, 60st60, or 60gt50.
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post #952 of 1641
4/3/12 at 6:05pm
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Hi. I've been reading these forums for about two weeks now because i wanted to do a little research before i updated my 50" S1 (first and only hdtv) to a larger/better tv. I am pleased with my panasonic and have no issues with green blobs, banding, buzzing, blacks, etc. what i think could be better however is "lack of visibility" in dark scenes. quite a few movies have many dark scenes and I think much detail is missing in the shadows. i have been to Best Buy and i don't get the impression the newer Panasonics's (or other models) are much better in this regard- though my room at home is dark and the store is obviously not. The expensive Elite TV's semed to be somewhat better in this regard but I didn't spend much time looking as they are out of my zone.
I guess my question is - If I take home a newer model would I notice an improvement regarding this or is this just the nature of plasma? I am somewhat suprised this is not discussed more. Thinking of a 65gt30, 60st60, or 60gt50.

Have you used any calibration discs for your current TV? It sounds like you may just have the brightness set too low. Of course, there's no reason not to get a newer, bigger, better TV, but it may help you in the meantime.
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post #953 of 1641
4/3/12 at 9:26pm
hi everyone--

Just a real quick note--I was able to finally set up the GT50 today and just now did some really basic calibrations (impatient wife) using the Spears & Munsil disc. I am nervous about starting a new thread about the GT50 without a real powerful post, so I will just jot down my first impressions here and make a better post once I get watch more content and dial it in a bit more.

1 - This set is just a bit thicker than the LED LCD Samsung I returned. This is a very good thing, it was light (I was able to move it around myself), and not hard to adjust on my cabinet.

2 - The hardware itself is gorgeous and the wife loves how it looks, which is amazing. The base is not just straight up silver--it does a gradient fill thing that is kind of dark silver to lighter silver, but it looks good. It's a very handsome set, much more grounded and serious looking than the Samsung.

3 - I cannot believe how awesome the black levels are. I honestly did not ever think I would own a TV that had a picture this amazing. I just played that DTS logo thing on my Oppo BDP-93, and I gasped--it's just SILKY smooth...but then the details within the letters, even in this stupid DTS logo...just sharp. SHARP.

4 - There are lots of picture options, so many that I am a little intimidated by all of them--I just have no idea what some of them do. I have the E-Help manual (thanks for sharing that), which I will read on the plane tomorrow, but I have a feeling I will get a professional calibration job soon.

5 - The colors are obviously crisp and vibrant, but I am going to watch some blu-rays tonight and see how things fare. I watched some HBO and NBC today and was very impressed with the detail in the picture.

I hesitate to go too much further--I fear I might dip into hyperbole and without proper measuring hardware, I am not sure how helpful my adjectives are going to be, but I am, honestly, blown away by this TV. I saw a Kuro at CES years ago and I think that I can get the same feeling from this TV with proper calibration and contentI am truly flabbergasted; coming from a 2006 plasma to this serious piece of hardware is an amazing experience.

I am thrilled that I stayed with plasma, I am thrilled I got this Panasonic, and I can't wait to share a better, more coherent rundown later on. But suffice to say, if you were considering this set, I for one wholeheartedly recommend it as strongly as I can, with no reservations at all.

Thanks for listening, more soon.

best,
mike
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post #954 of 1641
4/3/12 at 9:37pm
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Originally Posted by rikemomo View Post

Just a real quick note--I was able to finally set up the GT50 today.....[snip].....I am thrilled that I stayed with plasma, I am thrilled I got this Panasonic, and I can't wait to share a better, more coherent rundown later on. But suffice to say, if you were considering this set, I for one wholeheartedly recommend it as strongly as I can, with no reservations at all.... more soon.

Congrats! This urged me to start a GT50 thread.....

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1403635
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4/3/12 at 9:38pm
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Originally Posted by rikemomo View Post

hi everyone--

Just a real quick note--I was able to finally set up the GT50 today and just now did some really basic calibrations (impatient wife) using the Spears & Munsil disc. I am nervous about starting a new thread about the GT50 without a real powerful post, so I will just jot down my first impressions here and make a better post once I get watch more content and dial it in a bit more.

1 - This set is just a bit thicker than the LED LCD Samsung I returned. This is a very good thing, it was light (I was able to move it around myself), and not hard to adjust on my cabinet.

2 - The hardware itself is gorgeous and the wife loves how it looks, which is amazing. The base is not just straight up silver--it does a gradient fill thing that is kind of dark silver to lighter silver, but it looks good. It's a very handsome set, much more grounded and serious looking than the Samsung.

3 - I cannot believe how awesome the black levels are. I honestly did not ever think I would own a TV that had a picture this amazing. I just played that DTS logo thing on my Oppo BDP-93, and I gasped--it's just SILKY smooth...but then the details within the letters, even in this stupid DTS logo...just sharp. SHARP.

4 - There are lots of picture options, so many that I am a little intimidated by all of them--I just have no idea what some of them do. I have the E-Help manual (thanks for sharing that), which I will read on the plane tomorrow, but I have a feeling I will get a professional calibration job soon.

5 - The colors are obviously crisp and vibrant, but I am going to watch some blu-rays tonight and see how things fare. I watched some HBO and NBC today and was very impressed with the detail in the picture.

I hesitate to go too much further--I fear I might dip into hyperbole and without proper measuring hardware, I am not sure how helpful my adjectives are going to be, but I am, honestly, blown away by this TV. I saw a Kuro at CES years ago and I think that I can get the same feeling from this TV with proper calibration and contentI am truly flabbergasted; coming from a 2006 plasma to this serious piece of hardware is an amazing experience.

I am thrilled that I stayed with plasma, I am thrilled I got this Panasonic, and I can't wait to share a better, more coherent rundown later on. But suffice to say, if you were considering this set, I for one wholeheartedly recommend it as strongly as I can, with no reservations at all.

Thanks for listening, more soon.

best,
mike

Thanks for the initial impressions, Mike! I'm probably going to be picking up a GT50 this year (sat the 30s out last year), but I'm waiting for a 65". It's going to be tough to wait another month and a half.
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post #956 of 1641
4/3/12 at 9:47pm
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

Well really you're not paying much extra since it's mostly just software. Maybe another ten bucks. Same goes for the 3D feature - while i have absolutely zero interest in 3D, the technology does benefit regular 2D picture quality. Thankfully Panasonic doesn't include 3D glasses so that does a lot more to keep the cost down.

Oh you're paying more than that. You are paying their R&D costs for that software.

I don't mind the "smart" features, but Panasonic's software is more or less awful. It was embarrassing how sluggish it ran on a single core CPU. They could have spent a lot more time optimizing it.
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post #957 of 1641
4/3/12 at 11:40pm
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Originally Posted by rikemomo View Post

hi everyone--

Just a real quick note--I was able to finally set up the GT50 today and just now did some really basic calibrations (impatient wife) using the Spears & Munsil disc. I am nervous about starting a new thread about the GT50 without a real powerful post, so I will just jot down my first impressions here and make a better post once I get watch more content and dial it in a bit more.

1 - This set is just a bit thicker than the LED LCD Samsung I returned. This is a very good thing, it was light (I was able to move it around myself), and not hard to adjust on my cabinet.

2 - The hardware itself is gorgeous and the wife loves how it looks, which is amazing. The base is not just straight up silver--it does a gradient fill thing that is kind of dark silver to lighter silver, but it looks good. It's a very handsome set, much more grounded and serious looking than the Samsung.

3 - I cannot believe how awesome the black levels are. I honestly did not ever think I would own a TV that had a picture this amazing. I just played that DTS logo thing on my Oppo BDP-93, and I gasped--it's just SILKY smooth...but then the details within the letters, even in this stupid DTS logo...just sharp. SHARP.

4 - There are lots of picture options, so many that I am a little intimidated by all of them--I just have no idea what some of them do. I have the E-Help manual (thanks for sharing that), which I will read on the plane tomorrow, but I have a feeling I will get a professional calibration job soon.

5 - The colors are obviously crisp and vibrant, but I am going to watch some blu-rays tonight and see how things fare. I watched some HBO and NBC today and was very impressed with the detail in the picture.

I hesitate to go too much further--I fear I might dip into hyperbole and without proper measuring hardware, I am not sure how helpful my adjectives are going to be, but I am, honestly, blown away by this TV. I saw a Kuro at CES years ago and I think that I can get the same feeling from this TV with proper calibration and contentI am truly flabbergasted; coming from a 2006 plasma to this serious piece of hardware is an amazing experience.

I am thrilled that I stayed with plasma, I am thrilled I got this Panasonic, and I can't wait to share a better, more coherent rundown later on. But suffice to say, if you were considering this set, I for one wholeheartedly recommend it as strongly as I can, with no reservations at all.

Thanks for listening, more soon.

best,
mike

Were did you buy the set?
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post #958 of 1641
4/4/12 at 11:55am
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Were did you buy the set?

I got it from Amazon. I had some credit there and had bought the Samsung from there, so I kinda had to do it with them. The delivery went smoothly (later than they said it would be), and the guy was really nicethough they did not plug it in and check the power, etc, which I was told they would do in an email, which was fine, reallyI wanted to do all that myself!

I am going to post a bit more about the experience with the set last night on the GT50 page, too..
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4/4/12 at 2:05pm
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I would also like to know more about this - I really hope this is wrong. I was very excited to hear the 2012 models will support 4:4:4 chroma subsampling, and I was assuming it would apply to HDMI also, since that is how I will be connecting my pc. If it doesn't apply to HDMI that will be a disappointment. Who with a newer video card is going to use DVI and not HDMI, especially when HDMI supports audio?

I'm considering either the ST or GT so if anybody can confirm or deny this please do.

I also found this in the same review:

"Yet another new option exists in the 1080p Pure Direct setting that promises to allow for the passing of a full 4:4:4 video signal over HDMI, allowing for slightly enhanced chromatic resolution. The acceptance of 4:4:4 is new ground for Panasonic PDP and another sign they're taking the enthusiast market seriously."

Doesn't this contradict this quote later in the review:?

"The DVI Input can be set to Normal/Full where Normal represents video level signals (16-235) and Full corresponds to PC levels (0-255) but if the input is straight HDMI - rather than a HDMI to DVI connection - the VT50 will automatically operate in Normal mode."

So does it or doesn't it? Can anybody elaborate?

I believe the statement is fine and not a contradiction. I'm a newbie at the above so let me see if I can get this right...

From my understanding the 4:4:4 video signal processing refers to color information. While the (16-235 vs 0-255) refers to luma/brightness information. So what will happen is you will get full color information, but you will miss out on some of the brightness information (All tv/movie and video related things use 16-235 IIRC). If you are using the TV for video playback you should be fine. What may happen is you could run into some minor issues if you are doing graphic work, have images/icons, or run programs that use the full range spec.

Maybe someone else can explain it better.
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post #960 of 1641
4/4/12 at 3:39pm
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I believe the statement is fine and not a contradiction. I'm a newbie at the above so let me see if I can get this right...

From my understanding the 4:4:4 video signal processing refers to color information. While the (16-235 vs 0-255) refers to luma/brightness information. So what will happen is you will get full color information, but you will miss out on some of the brightness information (All tv/movie and video related things use 16-235 IIRC). If you are using the TV for video playback you should be fine. What may happen is you could run into some minor issues if you are doing graphic work, have images/icons, or run programs that use the full range spec.

Maybe someone else can explain it better.

Sounds right to me. I don't believe HD uses 0-255, but input from a game console or PC would need it for full luma range.

4:4:4 refers to the color subsampling.
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