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post #1351 of 2634
6/25/12 at 1:45pm
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Originally Posted by Gil Arroyo View Post

OK OK You guys have blown enough smoke UPA to convince me to buy one (from B&H). I just hope the hype is nominally true and I haven't bought a truckload of snake oil.
Have an OPPO 93 and 10 foot screen.
gil

Great. By all means please do report back when you get yours...
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post #1352 of 2634
6/25/12 at 5:43pm
I am having trouble getting the lossless audio format to pass through to my Denon 2809CI AVR. I am using both HDMI's on the S790 correctly, but I seem to be missing a setting to get the hi res audio. Any suggestions? TIA
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post #1353 of 2634
6/25/12 at 6:10pm
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Originally Posted by Iwanthd View Post

I am having trouble getting the lossless audio format to pass through to my Denon 2809CI AVR. I am using both HDMI's on the S790 correctly, but I seem to be missing a setting to get the hi res audio. Any suggestions? TIA

Hi Iwanthd, set HDMI Audio to Auto and "BD Audio Mix" to Off
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post #1354 of 2634
6/25/12 at 7:22pm
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Originally Posted by Iwanthd View Post

I am having trouble getting the lossless audio format to pass through to my Denon 2809CI AVR. I am using both HDMI's on the S790 correctly, but I seem to be missing a setting to get the hi res audio. Any suggestions? TIA

Make the S790 Decode it to PCM - your Denon does not decode all the Hi-Def Audio formats.
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post #1355 of 2634
6/26/12 at 2:47am
Hi there! I've bought this player recently and use it with a Denon AVR-1612. I have some problems with it, hopefully you can help me out.
Last weekend I was watching a movie from the USB-device (front). While playing normally suddenly the signal was lost. There was no picture and no sound anymore. I had this problem before, sometimes it doesn't start at all. The TV shows the menus from my receiver, but the BD-player is nowhere to be found.

Yesterday I could not play any CD. It starts (counter counts), but there is no sound. Strangly, at first there was no sound, then after swithcing it off for some time the was sound, but then after another restart no sound again...

Anybody any idea? Do I have a faulty player, or is there somerhing in the setup?
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post #1356 of 2634
6/26/12 at 11:40am
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Originally Posted by JChin View Post

Hi Iwanthd, set HDMI Audio to Auto and "BD Audio Mix" to Off

Exactly, I too didn't get the right audio output until I switched BD Audio Mix off. Strange that it's on by default.
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post #1357 of 2634
6/26/12 at 11:56am
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Originally Posted by JChin View Post

Hi Iwanthd, set HDMI Audio to Auto and "BD Audio Mix" to Off

Exactly, I too didn't get the right audio output until I switched BD Audio Mix off. Strange that it's on by default.

It enables you to hear the menu sounds as well as secondary audio tracks at no cost to audio quality.
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post #1358 of 2634
6/26/12 at 6:07pm
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Originally Posted by JChin View Post

Hi Iwanthd, set HDMI Audio to Auto and "BD Audio Mix" to Off

Thanks JChin! The cool blue light on my AVR is back and I am enjoying all the fancy hi res audio formats again. Cheers!
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post #1359 of 2634
6/26/12 at 11:53pm
Is there a way to enhance the audio-settings of CD's played on this player. The audio of movies is great, but music seems to miss a bit punch.
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post #1360 of 2634
6/26/12 at 11:58pm
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It enables you to hear the menu sounds as well as secondary audio tracks at no cost to audio quality.

Well with BD Audio Mix on my Onkyo won't identify the bit stream as true DTS HD or true Dolby HD witch had me scratching my head for a while until I stumbled upon that setting and turned it off. With BD Audio Mix on, the receiver just identifies the stream as PCM. Whether or not this affects the quality of the sound I’m not sure but it annoyed me that I couldn’t see on the display what sound format was active.
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post #1361 of 2634
6/27/12 at 2:21am
Regarding the faulty RGB issue mentioned by Smackrabbit. I have the UK version of this player. I went individually through all the setting like 4:2:2 to Auto. When I set the player to RGB I noticed no difference in the colour whatsoever. So I am assuming that the RGB fault is one on the USA models.

I still think this player is a bargain and love how it takes out all the compression artifacts found on a DVD even on Direct mode. Very dark scenes that showed up the compression on my S570. Well this S790 gives a more natural DVD picture and I could not spot one compression artifact. I compared the Bram Stoker's Dracula Blu Ray to the standard single layer 1997 DVD. And the difference in picture quality was negligible. In some scenes they looked identical and the DVD could easily be mistaken for a Blu Ray. Obviously this was from 6 feet away.

Also a Region 1 DVD looks excellent. And coming from a PAL territory where we hear that PAL DVD is superior. To my eyes I cannot tell them apart.
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post #1362 of 2634
6/27/12 at 3:57am
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

It enables you to hear the menu sounds as well as secondary audio tracks at no cost to audio quality.

Well with BD Audio Mix on my Onkyo won't identify the bit stream as true DTS HD or true Dolby HD witch had me scratching my head for a while until I stumbled upon that setting and turned it off. With BD Audio Mix on, the receiver just identifies the stream as PCM. Whether or not this affects the quality of the sound I’m not sure but it annoyed me that I couldn’t see on the display what sound format was active.

When the player does the decoding, you need to look at the info provided by the player itself. The receiver is receiving full-bandwidth LPCM, so it has no way to know what was on the disc. You have the option of seeing an indicator on the receiver or hearing the audio for embedded discussions of the movie development. I prefer the latter smile.gif (Tintin is one of the few BDs which include that kind of presentation. I'm sure there must be others.)
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post #1363 of 2634
6/27/12 at 1:14pm
Can someone confirm with AV separation mode that:

If you have an AV receiver that is still connected to the TV for other devices, that

by going to the input on the AV receiver, the TV doesn't switch to that input, thus not providing video from the other HDMI port from the BDP-S790


So if you select AV receiver input 1 that's connected to the TV on HDMI input 1, the TV doesn't go to HDMI input 1, but remains on input 2, which is connected to the video HDMI port of the BDP-S790.


Hope that makes sense, as this would be an interesting upgrade for my NX723 and HT-IS100 combo (currently I have a complex harmony command that turns HDMI control off on the HT-iS100 so it can switch inputs without affecting the TV).
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post #1364 of 2634
6/27/12 at 9:17pm
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Originally Posted by CrimsonSword View Post

Can someone confirm with AV separation mode that:
If you have an AV receiver that is still connected to the TV for other devices, that
by going to the input on the AV receiver, the TV doesn't switch to that input, thus not providing video from the other HDMI port from the BDP-S790
So if you select AV receiver input 1 that's connected to the TV on HDMI input 1, the TV doesn't go to HDMI input 1, but remains on input 2, which is connected to the video HDMI port of the BDP-S790.
Hope that makes sense, as this would be an interesting upgrade for my NX723 and HT-IS100 combo (currently I have a complex harmony command that turns HDMI control off on the HT-iS100 so it can switch inputs without affecting the TV).

The only reason a display should switch automatically is if you are using HDMI CEC mode (which is called different things by every company), If you disable HDMI CEC on every device then this shouldn't happen, but of course you'd lose the benefits of HDMI CEC (like the TV turning on and switching inputs when you hit Play on the Blu-ray player). If you have a Harmony that can handle turning everything on and switching inputs, try disabling HDMI CEC on everything and see if that helps.
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post #1365 of 2634
6/28/12 at 2:57am
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Regarding the faulty RGB issue mentioned by Smackrabbit. I have the UK version of this player. I went individually through all the setting like 4:2:2 to Auto. When I set the player to RGB I noticed no difference in the colour whatsoever. So I am assuming that the RGB fault is one on the USA models.
I still think this player is a bargain and love how it takes out all the compression artifacts found on a DVD even on Direct mode. Very dark scenes that showed up the compression on my S570. Well this S790 gives a more natural DVD picture and I could not spot one compression artifact. I compared the Bram Stoker's Dracula Blu Ray to the standard single layer 1997 DVD. And the difference in picture quality was negligible. In some scenes they looked identical and the DVD could easily be mistaken for a Blu Ray. Obviously this was from 6 feet away.
Also a Region 1 DVD looks excellent. And coming from a PAL territory where we hear that PAL DVD is superior. To my eyes I cannot tell them apart.

Hi Warren

You may wish to take a look at this article on NTSC vs PAL quality http://www.michaeldvd.com.au/articles/palvsntsc/palvsntsc.asp

It addresses the 4% speedup in PAL too.
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post #1366 of 2634
6/28/12 at 12:20pm
Thanks for the info smack rabbit. It would seem getting the bdp-s790 would be of no benefit then as i an usin a coax currently.
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post #1367 of 2634
6/28/12 at 2:21pm
I am planning to purchase Sony S790 player after lot of research to decide between Sony and Panasonic players. I know 790 model is relatively new to the market. Just want to ensure there are no version 1 type issues with this player before i go ahead and purchase this. Last thing i want to - Buy this player and on day-1 do the firmware upgrade from Sony web site to tackle some basic issues to start with.. Just looking for some feedback on this topic..
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post #1368 of 2634
6/28/12 at 4:22pm
Hi all, it's been awhile. smile.gif

Well my local Best Buy has a few in stock and with the temp outside bordering my personal comfort level in the next few days, perhaps this is a good time to try one.

I've returned my share of players, including the s770. I have a budget Samsung LCD so we'll see how this unit stacks up. The player sitting in my rack currently is the s570 with 3D capability but my display isn't compatible. I haven't watched a DVD in quite awhile but I'll be sure to throw some in out of curiousity sake. Streaming video isn't good with my current router so I'll probably forego that option.

Best case scenario: It'll need to beat the S570 at least a few notches for DVD and BD playback since I rather not spend the current asking price to tell the truth. BUT I will do so if it is a keeper and maybe there will be a place break within the next 30 days to soften the blow. I could return it regardless and wait till the latter happens but probably won't if I'm pleased.

Time will tell. Thanks for all the opinions so far.
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post #1369 of 2634
6/28/12 at 4:23pm
At times when watching something on my S790, if I change inputs on my TV, I loose the HDMI connection/sync with my TV (no AVR in the mix). I get a blank screen and after a few seconds a "no input" screen on my TV. It seems the only think I can do to get it back is either cycle power (not ideal) or disconnect/reconnect the HDMI cable (again not ideal). Anyone have a similar issue and any suggestions to the problem? Perhaps a setting I can change or button on the remote that might bring it back?

Also, is there a way to start right into a Blu-Ray movie? 99% of watching is Blu-Ray disks, so starting at the Home screen is an unwanted feature. I'd like for it to just load up and go to the movie's menu.
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post #1370 of 2634
6/28/12 at 4:35pm
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Hi all, it's been awhile. smile.gif
Well my local Best Buy has a few in stock and with the temp outside bordering my personal comfort level in the next few days, perhaps this is a good time to try one.
I've returned my share of players, including the s770. I have a budget Samsung LCD so we'll see how this unit stacks up. The player sitting in my rack currently is the s570 with 3D capability but my display isn't compatible. I haven't watched a DVD in quite awhile but I'll be sure to throw some in out of curiousity sake. Streaming video isn't good with my current router so I'll probably forego that option.
Best case scenario: It'll need to beat the S570 at least a few notches for DVD and BD playback since I rather not spend the current asking price to tell the truth. BUT I will do so if it is a keeper and maybe there will be a place break within the next 30 days to soften the blow. I could return it regardless and wait till the latter happens but probably won't if I'm pleased.
Time will tell. Thanks for all the opinions so far.

If you don't need 3D or streaming, there's really no need for a 790. You will do just fine with a 390 or 590 and save a considerable amount of money (put it towards a better router?). I have serious doubts about whether the 790 will improve upon your current player's BR playback, unless there is a serious problem with the 570, and DVD upconversion on the sony is competent but hardly spectacular from what I've seen (sony 185/2011 and 590/2012).
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post #1371 of 2634
6/29/12 at 3:38am
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Hi Warren
You may wish to take a look at this article on NTSC vs PAL quality http://www.michaeldvd.com.au/articles/palvsntsc/palvsntsc.asp
It addresses the 4% speedup in PAL too.

Hi Dilsher,

Yes I read the article. One thing I noticed is that an NTSC DVD has less jaggies than a PAL DVD. I have both the Region 1 1997 Bram Stoker's Dracula and the 2005 PAL DVD version. The burned in subtitles in the film have no jaggies on the NTSC DVD, but show up blatantly on the PAL. I am assuming the transfer process was done differently with both versions. So the subtitle jaggies are inherent to the the PAL disc of Dracula.

I have noticed the jaggies issue more on other PAL DVDs too. Though scientifically I cannot expalin why that is.

But and it is a but. On recent PAL DVD transfers the jaggies are no existent.
Edited by WarrenD - 6/29/12 at 8:57am
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post #1372 of 2634
6/29/12 at 3:42am
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Originally Posted by robertc88 View Post

Hi all, it's been awhile. smile.gif
Well my local Best Buy has a few in stock and with the temp outside bordering my personal comfort level in the next few days, perhaps this is a good time to try one.
I've returned my share of players, including the s770. I have a budget Samsung LCD so we'll see how this unit stacks up. The player sitting in my rack currently is the s570 with 3D capability but my display isn't compatible. I haven't watched a DVD in quite awhile but I'll be sure to throw some in out of curiousity sake. Streaming video isn't good with my current router so I'll probably forego that option.
Best case scenario: It'll need to beat the S570 at least a few notches for DVD and BD playback since I rather not spend the current asking price to tell the truth. BUT I will do so if it is a keeper and maybe there will be a place break within the next 30 days to soften the blow. I could return it regardless and wait till the latter happens but probably won't if I'm pleased.
Time will tell. Thanks for all the opinions so far.

I have an S570 and the S790 beats it in picture quality even on Blu Ray.DVD upscaling looks better too. I made sure of that before I bought it, because had it not been superior, I would have stuck with the S570. The video processor is better for starters.
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post #1373 of 2634
6/29/12 at 10:53am
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The video processor is better for starters.
What role does the video processor play when you're watching a 1080p Blu-ray?
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post #1374 of 2634
6/29/12 at 11:20am
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What role does the video processor play when you're watching a 1080p Blu-ray?

With Blu Ray no deinterlacing is needed. It can take the information directly off the disc. But a good processor can sharpen the image if desired to make it stand out more .But with DVD upscaling or upscaling to 4K, this S790 has some power. That was the main reason I bought it. I wanted something like the Oppo upscaler has and this machine delivers at a way cheaper price.

Still, my Blu Ray picture quality is better than on my previous S570 which was very good. It is subtle but noticeable and that is with no adjustments in Direct mode.


The player must be doing something to the make the image look darn good. Though most Blu Ray players as far as Blu Ray discs are concerned look identical. With DVD though is where the similarities stop. My previous 2 Sony's had softer DVD picture.
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post #1375 of 2634
6/29/12 at 12:07pm
It's an awesome player to be sure and I'm not even taking advance of the 4K since I only have the Epson Pro Cinema 6010. I just wish Sony and VUDU would get their act together and support VUDU 3D streaming so I didn't have to keep my old LG player just for VUDU 3D streaming. I don't understand why so many TV's support VUDU 3D but so few Blu-Ray players do. Doesn't help for those of use with projectors.
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post #1376 of 2634
6/29/12 at 12:13pm
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With Blu Ray no deinterlacing is needed. It can take the information directly off the disc. But a good processor can sharpen the image if desired to make it stand out more .But with DVD upscaling or upscaling to 4K, this S790 has some power. That was the main reason I bought it. I wanted something like the Oppo upscaler has and this machine delivers at a way cheaper price.
Still, my Blu Ray picture quality is better than on my previous S570 which was very good. It is subtle but noticeable and that is with no adjustments in Direct mode.
The player must be doing something to the make the image look darn good. Though most Blu Ray players as far as Blu Ray discs are concerned look identical. With DVD though is where the similarities stop. My previous 2 Sony's had softer DVD picture.

I have the current year 590 and DVD upconvert looks soft, as you say. The color is also a bit washed out with lower quality sources.

No offense, but as I've stated before, I am very skeptical of the claim that BR PQ is 'better' from one model to the next, assuming proper functioning. No player can generate more pixels or produce more color than any other. Artificial boosts in color and contrast reduce detail, and boosts in sharpness produce more noise and artifacts.

Also, the player does not need to upconvert to 4K; a 4K monitor will do the job as well, so a bit of a redundant feature.
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6/29/12 at 12:14pm
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It's an awesome player to be sure and I'm not even taking advance of the 4K since I only have the Epson Pro Cinema 6010. I just wish Sony and VUDU would get their act together and support VUDU 3D streaming so I didn't have to keep my old LG player just for VUDU 3D streaming. I don't understand why so many TV's support VUDU 3D but so few Blu-Ray players do. Doesn't help for those of use with projectors.

Just Curious way anyone cares about VuDu 3D.

Their only OPTION is BUY versus RENT.

Their prices are crazy.
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6/29/12 at 12:31pm
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I have the current year 590 and DVD upconvert looks soft, as you say. The color is also a bit washed out with lower quality sources.
No offense, but as I've stated before, I am very skeptical of the claim that BR PQ is 'better' from one model to the next, assuming proper functioning. No player can generate more pixels or produce more color than any other. Artificial boosts in color and contrast reduce detail, and boosts in sharpness produce more noise and artifacts.
Also, the player does not need to upconvert to 4K; a 4K monitor will do the job as well, so a bit of a redundant feature.

Sure, though the Blu Ray picture is outstanding on the BDP S790, that was less of an incentice to purchase. Most Blu Ray's look great even on a player from 3 years ago like the Sony BDP S350. But the upscaling of DVD is worth it's weight in gold and that is what made me make the decision. It made DVD look better than the Oppo to my eyes. And I always wanted an Oppo for the upscaling capability compared to other brands at the time.

By the way, I badly want to ask. What does "washed out colour" technically mean when it comes to DVD?
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post #1379 of 2634
6/29/12 at 12:36pm
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What role does the video processor play when you're watching a 1080p Blu-ray?

With Blu Ray no deinterlacing is needed.
All Blu-ray disks that originate from video sources (TV) are most likely 1080i and do need to be deinterlaced.
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Still, my Blu Ray picture quality is better than on my previous S570 which was very good. It is subtle but noticeable and that is with no adjustments in Direct mode.
If that's the case then the S570 must have been introducing error where none existed in the data coming from the Blu-ray disk, or there were image enhancement features engaged that shouldn't have been engaged.
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The player must be doing something to the make the image look darn good.
The secret is to do nothing to Blu-ray sources. An inexpensive player that does nothing is just as good as a more expensive player that also does nothing when playing Blu-ray. wink.gif
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6/29/12 at 12:38pm
I own the panny 220 also, and it does a great job with DVD upconvert. Color saturation and detail look great for dvd. If the sony 790 can match the upconvert while providing dual hdmi out and excellent file support, I'd say it's worth the price.

I wonder if anyone can weigh in on a comparison between sony 790/panny 220/oppo dvd upconversion.

To me, washed out color means that at the same settings, there is less color and that even adjusting the color setting doesn't help much. Actually it reduces picture quality by reducing detail.
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