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post #2071 of 3485
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Originally Posted by LesEnfants View Post

Hey guys,
I have a question about my new BDP-S790, and apologies in advance if it's already been addressed elsewhere. I'm a foreign film geek so I use subtitles all the time. I also sometimes miss dialog in an English film so I routinely click the subtitle button to catch the actors' lines. On the BDP-S790, every time I click "subtitle" the screen darkens at the top to display some kind of menu information as the subtitles go on. This is super annoying because it darkens the top portion of the movie I'm watching, and then when I click off the subtitles it darkens again. It's as if Sony engineers never tested this feature.
Any thoughts on how I can tweak the blu-ray player so this darkening doesn't happen?
Many thanks!

What you describe is simply the menu overlay. It should display the. Subtitle icon and subtile language to display.This normally last for a few seconds. Why this is "super annoying" ?

There is no way to turn off the menu overlay.
post #2072 of 3485
I bought the S790 two weeks ago and I would like to know what is the best way to set it up. I currently have it setup with 2 hdmi cables. One HDMi for video going directly to my tv and one HDMI for audio going to my receiver. Or is better to have one hdmi cable for audio/video?
post #2073 of 3485
Thanks for the reply apw2607. I find the overlay to be extremely unfortunate since it dims out part of the picture when I like to toggle subtiltles back and forth depending on what I'm watching. Bummer that it can't be worked around -- to shroud part of a filmed image in darkness strikes me as an incredibly moronic decision by Sony. The whole point of watching DVDs, etc is to watch them. Not have them dimmed. Oh well. I'm sure I'll get another player sometime in the future. Thanks for the clarification.
post #2074 of 3485
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Originally Posted by dcarroll View Post

hi all, possibly y'all could help me?
i am getting no audio on my system with a just purchased 790. my connections are:
790-hdmi(1) video out to panasonic gt55 and hdmi(2) audio out to marantz sr6003. i have the split audio/ video setting "on", but i still get no audio. i am sure it is a setting somewhere on either the sony or marantz i am missing.
please offer any possible directions to look. i've played around with a bunch of setting and got nowhere. at this point i'll probably even have to factory default the marantz and start over. wink.gif
thank you so much!

in the event someone comes across this issue, i figured i'll post my oddball resolution.

i had some time on my hands yesterday so i decided to futz around with cables again to see what i can come up with. after about an hour of meticulously plugging and unplugging, designating ports, changing cables etc., i went on a lark and just started swapping around cables while the system was ON. a nono, i know, but.....

as soon as i unplugged the HDMI OUT from the marantz to the TV, BAM DTS-HD MA sound!

so i took an extra HDMI i had, ran it direct from the satelite box to TV, and an optical from the satelite box to marantz for sound and voila, all is right with world.

odd i know and i couldn't begin to explain it but there it is.
post #2075 of 3485
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Originally Posted by LesEnfants View Post

Thanks for the reply apw2607. I find the overlay to be extremely unfortunate since it dims out part of the picture when I like to toggle subtiltles back and forth depending on what I'm watching. Bummer that it can't be worked around -- to shroud part of a filmed image in darkness strikes me as an incredibly moronic decision by Sony. The whole point of watching DVDs, etc is to watch them. Not have them dimmed. Oh well. I'm sure I'll get another player sometime in the future. Thanks for the clarification.

One way to turn off the subtitle status overlay sooner than its automatic timer is to toggle the informational display: press the "display" button twice quickly.
post #2076 of 3485
LesEnfants,

I share your opinion. This is one of many very strange and annoying ways sony handles user messages. The most annoying to me is the stupid "Connecting ... 1 ... 2 .... 3 .... Your connection is ready" message when first starting any streaming app. It's like getting in your car and pressing the gas pedal, but instead of the car going, you get a message that says "ready to go!". Just run the app already and only give me a message if something goes wrong. Sheesh.
post #2077 of 3485
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

LesEnfants,
I share your opinion. This is one of many very strange and annoying ways sony handles user messages. The most annoying to me is the stupid "Connecting ... 1 ... 2 .... 3 .... Your connection is ready" message when first starting any streaming app. It's like getting in your car and pressing the gas pedal, but instead of the car going, you get a message that says "ready to go!". Just run the app already and only give me a message if something goes wrong. Sheesh.

It should only happen on cold boot and then launching the very first app.. Once it's done the initial authentication then you're good to go for a "period of time" ... Until another reauthotiation needs to occur. During that time period you can switch off the player and then restart. You shouldn't get the connecting messge.
post #2078 of 3485
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Originally Posted by dcarroll View Post

in the event someone comes across this issue, i figured i'll post my oddball resolution.
i had some time on my hands yesterday so i decided to futz around with cables again to see what i can come up with. after about an hour of meticulously plugging and unplugging, designating ports, changing cables etc., i went on a lark and just started swapping around cables while the system was ON. a nono, i know, but.....
as soon as i unplugged the HDMI OUT from the marantz to the TV, BAM DTS-HD MA sound!
so i took an extra HDMI i had, ran it direct from the satelite box to TV, and an optical from the satelite box to marantz for sound and voila, all is right with world.
odd i know and i couldn't begin to explain it but there it is.

Hi dcarroll, had this HDMI handshake issue as well (HDMI-1 to LG 3d and HDMI-2 to Denon 1909). This is my oddball resolution, all I do is power off the HDTV then sound would come on the receiver and then power on the HDTV.
post #2079 of 3485
Im very close to replacing my BDP-S470 with this 790 but am concerned with many of the recent posts about noise issues and longevity. I still have my BDP-S550 that was built like a tank and it still runs great, just slow as can be. The 470 has good speed, decent build, but a bit of noise. Any other follow ups on the recent drive noise issues?
post #2080 of 3485
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Originally Posted by DMD123 View Post

Im very close to replacing my BDP-S470 with this 790 but am concerned with many of the recent posts about noise issues and longevity. I still have my BDP-S550 that was built like a tank and it still runs great, just slow as can be. The 470 has good speed, decent build, but a bit of noise. Any other follow ups on the recent drive noise issues?

IGNORE baby cries and enjoy the S790 - It is FANTASTIC
post #2081 of 3485
I am sitting on a pile of Sony gift cards, just waiting for the thing to go on sale again. I also took a look at the specs on the new players announced at CES and was not that impressed. I still have lots of DVD's in my collection and want the best possible picture so I think I will be getting that 790 soon.
post #2082 of 3485
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Originally Posted by JChin View Post

Hi dcarroll, had this HDMI handshake issue as well (HDMI-1 to LG 3d and HDMI-2 to Denon 1909). This is my oddball resolution, all I do is power off the HDTV then sound would come on the receiver and then power on the HDTV.

so strange. i didn't realize handshake issues could travel across ports. all was good, but now i really need to use that hdmi out to connect a wii to the marantz for my daughter. here we go again. lol.
post #2083 of 3485
First of all I read the 70 pages before posting...

I already have a BDP-S380 and a couple of PS3... The video of the 380 satisfy me, I'm more an audio freak (I mix TV spot in a studio).

I just change my TV for a Samsung UN55EH6000. When HDMI cable go through my NAD Receiver (wich I love, great audio), the image is way too dark. The receiver is messing with my video. When I hook directly HDMI on the TV everything is fine. The problem is I need dual HDMI to get Dolby True HD and DTS HD to my receiver.

I checked a couple of alternative (Pioneer Elite,Oppo and the S790). I'm in Canada so the Oppo means $600 and since I don't need it's super DAC (the decoding is made by the receiver). The main reason for the new player is the dual HDMI and since I was OK with 380 PQ,I'm pretty confident the 790 will please me (and better DVD upscale as a bonus and probably less noisy than the 380).

I Can't believe all the fuss around Sony vs Oppo! The Oppo seams to have a better construction and better DAC. The question is do I need it! Simple as that! In my case, no. Plus I'll probably want a new player in 2 or 3 years anyway. I already paid $2000 for a Monarchy audio Laserdic player that sits now on a shelve...

I found a decent deal on eBay on a S790.

Thanks for your post very useful Information!
post #2084 of 3485
raynald08,

Report the video problem to NAD. Usually that kind of problem can be fixed with a firmware update.

Does the NAD provide options for different video encoding output formats? YUV 4:2:0, 4:2:2 or 4:4:4 or RGB, for example? Sometimes different lookup tables are used for the different formats, producing different colors. (Early releases of the x90 Sony players had such a bug, which was fixed by a firmware update.)
post #2085 of 3485
Thanks!

No! The only option I have with the NAD is to choose between 60p or 24p. That would be another reason to hook directly to the TV. I'll check the firmare updrade with NAD, this is a good idea. I believe it's complicated and I need to go to a NAD dealer for that and I purchased it from eBay...
post #2086 of 3485
Well got my s790 all set up yesterday. Rocket fast and working well. Had to skim through this thread to better understand the various video & audio settings. Left the video as 4:4:4 YbCr rather than 'Auto' because I checked and my TV, Samsung pn59d800 can process this natively. Turned off everything extraneous as my AVR is pretty state of the art audio codec wise.

Watched my reference Game of Thrones blu-ray and looks flawless. Totally anecdotal comment I know, but it looks better than my bdp-51fd both in blu-ray and DVD. The only upscaling test I did was Spirited Away and Pulp Fiction which both looked nigh HD quality.

As discussed, the menu system is fast, clean and intuitive. I also LOVE the "options" button that alllows you to change some settings on the fly during blu-ray playback such as audio , picture mode, chapter search, etc. etc.

My only mild disappointment is that it cannot play mkv files via DLNA. Strange thing is that my Samsung TV can and does do this. Its not a deal breaker or anything, and I admittedly bought this primarily as blu-ray player (imagine that), but I was hoping to use the advanced video processing of the s790 for this purpose.

I was reading the Serviio posts here as a solution but my DLNA server is being run through a NAS which exclusively relies on the Samba DLNA server method.
Edited by Mark the Red - 1/10/13 at 11:26am
post #2087 of 3485
Didn't feel like waiting for the S5100, so I just got an S790 for $200 shipped. I hope it lives up to the praises. I have a WDTV for MKV streaming from my QNAP. I just need this for blurays and Netflix.
post #2088 of 3485
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Originally Posted by iatacs19 View Post

Didn't feel like waiting for the S5100, so I just got an S790 for $200 shipped. I hope it lives up to the praises. I have a WDTV for MKV streaming from my QNAP. I just need this for blurays and Netflix.

It is an excellent player. I have it hooked up to my Panasonic 65ST50 via my Onkyo 818. Everything fully calibrated! Looks and sounds remarkable.

I've previously used both the PS3 and Sony 590. Both of those are great players but my 790 beats the PS3 by a slight margin. It's faster than my 590 but picture quality is similar.

I debated on the OPPO and actually had one in the house for a week. There was no difference in PQ or AQ. I decided to send it back. Great looking player but I got the 790 for $300 less. There's no contest there!
post #2089 of 3485
So whats the pros and cons on S790 vs. PS3? What do you get with one but not with the other? Which one is better and why? If I were at the store and had to get one or the other which one do I get?

Oh, take out the "you get a gaming system" from PS3, since I'm an XBOX gamer, I'm just comparing the BluRay player in both, thats it.
post #2090 of 3485
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Originally Posted by chrisjmccord View Post

So whats the pros and cons on S790 vs. PS3? What do you get with one but not with the other? Which one is better and why? If I were at the store and had to get one or the other which one do I get?

Oh, take out the "you get a gaming system" from PS3, since I'm an XBOX gamer, I'm just comparing the BluRay player in both, thats it.

The 790 does SACD. Otherwise, maybe, slight PQ increase.

The PS3 is tough to beat. I understand you play on the 360 but Uncharted is quite the series to pass up.
post #2091 of 3485
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Originally Posted by mpalmieri1203 View Post

The 790 does SACD. Otherwise, maybe, slight PQ increase.

The PS3 is tough to beat. I understand you play on the 360 but Uncharted is quite the series to pass up.

How does the 3D compare? I don't know a lot about it, but does the PS3's "software" driving BluRay really stack up with a more hardware driven 790?
I keep reading and hearing how great the PS3 BluRay is...guess I have to see it to believe it, hard for me to imagine its been one of the best and still the best BluRay since BluRay went won out over HD-DVD...how is it still hanging with the likes of the 790?
post #2092 of 3485
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Originally Posted by iatacs19 View Post

Didn't feel like waiting for the S5100, so I just got an S790 for $200 shipped. I hope it lives up to the praises. I have a WDTV for MKV streaming from my QNAP. I just need this for blurays and Netflix.

The S5100 is a replacement really for the s590. The s790 continues sale into 2013 ....
post #2093 of 3485
The PS3 doesn't have as many streaming services as the 790 but the ones it does offer has the best UIs for those services. Amazon vod, crackle and Hulu UIs are all better in the ps3. Netflix and Vudu are the same. Ps3 also gets many streaming sports services too. S790 doesn't have them.

If I recall, ps3 wasn't able to pass bitstream audio for some services like Vudu but that could be fixed now.

Picture wise expect similar for BD But DVD playback on the ps3 isn't great. Never thought the picture looked very good. S790 wins that battle.

Ps3 gets the PITA Bluetooth remote, noisy, slow loading, slow boot, consumes lots of power and has a terrible new disc loading system. The s790 improves on all of those.
post #2094 of 3485
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

The PS3 doesn't have as many streaming services as the 790 but the ones it does offer has the best UIs for those services. Amazon vod, crackle and Hulu UIs are all better in the ps3. Netflix and Vudu are the same. Ps3 also gets many streaming sports services too. S790 doesn't have them.

If I recall, ps3 wasn't able to pass bitstream audio for some services like Vudu but that could be fixed now.

Picture wise expect similar for BD But DVD playback on the ps3 isn't great. Never thought the picture looked very good. S790 wins that battle.

Ps3 gets the PITA Bluetooth remote, noisy, slow loading, slow boot, consumes lots of power and has a terrible new disc loading system. The s790 improves on all of those.

The remote could be the deal breaker...I mean I have a nice Harmony One remote, and if I have to drag out a blue tooth remote to work a BluRay, thats not cool.
So for $50 more, and minus an extra gaming system, the 790 seems more logical for me. I'm sure it pairs up fine with Samsung LEDs?
I'm almost convinced to just stick with my TV brand and get their best BluRay for whatever reasons, I know the Sony is probably better, but can't be by that much?
post #2095 of 3485
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Originally Posted by chrisjmccord View Post

The remote could be the deal breaker...I mean I have a nice Harmony One remote, and if I have to drag out a blue tooth remote to work a BluRay, thats not cool.
So for $50 more, and minus an extra gaming system, the 790 seems more logical for me. I'm sure it pairs up fine with Samsung LEDs?
I'm almost convinced to just stick with my TV brand and get their best BluRay for whatever reasons, I know the Sony is probably better, but can't be by that much?

Logitech does make a ps3 adapter for harmony but its $60

The main problem with Samsung BDs is they don't support amazon VOD/prime.
post #2096 of 3485
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Originally Posted by chrisjmccord View Post

How does the 3D compare? I don't know a lot about it, but does the PS3's "software" driving BluRay really stack up with a more hardware driven 790?
I keep reading and hearing how great the PS3 BluRay is...guess I have to see it to believe it, hard for me to imagine its been one of the best and still the best BluRay since BluRay went won out over HD-DVD...how is it still hanging with the likes of the 790?

Because for the most part Blu-rays just look great and aren't as dependent on video processing to remove artifacts like macro blocking that used to plague DVD(SW: Episode 2 anyone?).

For the most part the Blu-ray aspect of most players are the same. It's all the other stuff that makes a difference(streaming etc).

3D looks great on my PS3. You probably couldn't tell a difference between the two. If I'm going to nitpick the 790 is quieter than the PS3.
post #2097 of 3485
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

Logitech does make a ps3 adapter for harmony but its $60

The main problem with Samsung BDs is they don't support amazon VOD/prime.

This is not a deal breaker for me, my Samsung TV does support Amazon VOD, are you sure the top BluRay Player doesnt?
Even if not, I'm pretty sure my TV does, and it will probably come soon to the BluRay player too.

So the question is the 3D and BluRay, its probably just as good as the Sony huh? Trying to figure out the ~$70 difference in price from the Samsung BD-E6500 and this S790...?
post #2098 of 3485
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Originally Posted by chrisjmccord View Post

This is not a deal breaker for me, my Samsung TV does support Amazon VOD, are you sure the top BluRay Player doesnt?
Even if not, I'm pretty sure my TV does, and it will probably come soon to the BluRay player too.

So the question is the 3D and BluRay, its probably just as good as the Sony huh? Trying to figure out the ~$70 difference in price from the Samsung BD-E6500 and this S790...?

If all you want is great picture and great sound and don't care about load times, streaming features or DLNA, split HDMI, ARC, etc. just buy the cheapest player you can get. Just make sure it doesn't have any technical faults. The reviews on Amazon are pretty informative in that regard.
post #2099 of 3485
Everything is working great so far with my new unit. However, the player seems to lock up after 30 minutes of watching random .mkv files through the Serviio server I run. Its weird. Its not movie specific and only happens about 1 in 10 times but I'm scratching my head. Running the Sony Bravia 2012 - US profile in Serviio (Serviio is awesome software btw).

I really find the video processing on the s790 to do an outstanding job with streamed files over my Sammy TV so I hope I can fix this. Just wondering what this could be. The player hangs around 30 - 35 minutes in and only a power off resets it. Blu-ray and dvd playing are still outstanding with no complaints.

Anybody else have this issue?
Edited by Mark the Red - 1/12/13 at 11:31am
post #2100 of 3485
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Originally Posted by chrisjmccord View Post

This is not a deal breaker for me, my Samsung TV does support Amazon VOD, are you sure the top BluRay Player doesnt?
Even if not, I'm pretty sure my TV does, and it will probably come soon to the BluRay player too.

So the question is the 3D and BluRay, its probably just as good as the Sony huh? Trying to figure out the ~$70 difference in price from the Samsung BD-E6500 and this S790...?

It's a odd situation. The 2011 players had amazon vod. The 2012 players didn't.

You're guess is as good as mine if it comes or not !!
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