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post #2191 of 3485
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Originally Posted by Mark the Red View Post

Look, I guess I am coming off as a whiner here. All DLNA servers on my computer work just dandy with the s790 (xVid excluded of course).
FWIW, I didn't take your statements as whining--I was just trying to understand if this was fully a 790 or a server isssue.
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Originally Posted by Mark the Red View Post

PS: Bluechunks: is there any such silliness with the Oppo 103 media streaming?? Kindly please be honest....
None whatsoever. The Oppo "just works."

I've streamed to the Oppo via DLNA using Twonky and Serviio from an iMac (and MacBook Pro) although my primary server is a Synology DS212j running the included DLNA Media Server software. (The prior NAS, a ReadyNAS Duo also worked well with Twonky.) In all cases it is via a wired gigabit network. Since the Oppo natively accepts nearly every current container/codec combination (including DTS-MA and TrueHD within MKVs) there is ZERO configuration, remuxing, and/or transcoding required on the server end. In addition, SMB/CIFS network access is an a "experimental" feature with the firmware still a work in progress. Users are still having some configuration issues with SMB on their Windows 7 machines, apparently due to conflicts when Windows Live! is installed, but SMB works as advertised via the Synology Diskstation (Linux) OS.

But....the Oppo is also a $499 player. One could buy a S790 and a dedicated media player (for example: a Dune or KDLinks unit) for seamless and trouble free DLNA and still come out ahead. The S790 remains an awesome Blu Ray/DVD player, IMHO, but with room for improvement on the DLNA side.
Edited by bluechunks - 1/21/13 at 8:17am
post #2192 of 3485
Blue chucks can I ask how the oppo is with interlaced vob files? Are you able to shuffle these as well and can it play Playlists. I have a large collection of music video vobs which the Sony will play and seems to sort out the interlacing but the vobs cannot be shuffled nor can it deal with playlists, so are always looking for other solutions. WD live doesn't handle interlacing very well. Atv2 with xbmc isn't powerful enough ... And so the list goes on.
post #2193 of 3485
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

Blue chucks can I ask how the oppo is with interlaced vob files? Are you able to shuffle these as well and can it play Playlists. I have a large collection of music video vobs which the Sony will play and seems to sort out the interlacing but the vobs cannot be shuffled nor can it deal with playlists, so are always looking for other solutions. WD live doesn't handle interlacing very well. Atv2 with xbmc isn't powerful enough ... And so the list goes on.
First off, I don't want to get too off topic and derail this thread any further with an in-depth Oppo BDP-103 discussion.

But to quickly answer your questions, yes the Oppo has fantastic de-interlacing performance (video processing has traditionally been a key feature of the Oppo players) and it will play *.vob files (I'm presuming we are talking about MPEG2 video within the vob, correct?) It will do playlists for audio directories but not for video directories (yet) but it will play every file in order within a video directory as well as optionally shuffle and/or repeat the directory. If you need finer control, the Oppo, like the S790, is also a DLNA Media Renderer (DMR) so one can "push" content to using a DLNA Digital Media Controller (examples: JRiver, Twonky, MS Windows Media Player "Play To", etc...) instead of controlling playback on player. (I have not used this last capability personally on either player.)
post #2194 of 3485
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Originally Posted by bluechunks View Post

First off, I don't want to get too off topic and derail this thread any further with an in-depth Oppo BDP-103 discussion.

But to quickly answer your questions, yes the Oppo has fantastic de-interlacing performance (video processing has traditionally been a key feature of the Oppo players) and it will play *.vob files (I'm presuming we are talking about MPEG2 video within the vob, correct?) It will do playlists for audio directories but not for video directories (yet) but it will play every file in order within a video directory as well as optionally shuffle and/or repeat the directory. If you need finer control, the Oppo, like the S790, is also a DLNA Media Renderer (DMR) so one can "push" content to using a DLNA Digital Media Controller (examples: JRiver, Twonky, MS Windows Media Player "Play To", etc...) instead of controlling playback on player. (I have not used this last capability personally on either player.)

Thx, I took my follow up question to the 103 thread.
post #2195 of 3485
Well after much bellyaching on this forum and elsewhere, I can now safely say that my s790 streams MKV files natively from my NAS (i.e., miniDLNA / samba)

After the kind soul here apw2607 pointed me to the sourceforge.net website to the minidlna code that would fix my problem, I headed over to the smallnetbuilder website where a guy named Merlin has been doing yeoman's work in building custom firmware for the ASUS rt-n66u flagship routers.

I meekly whined there about my problem and asked if it was possible to compile your own firmware and BAM out of nowhere some dude named TeHashX corrected the miniDLNA code and compiled me my very own custom firmware for my router. eek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gif

Now I am back in business streaming MKV files from my router / usb drive set directly to my Sony s790 player with no muxing around!

Stuff like this makes me mist up. Thanks guys for helping a brother out!!! The internet rocks!!

PS: Can't wait to smite the Sony tech support with this info!! (although maybe the cynic in me should no do this as Sony might maliciously outlaw this fix on their next firmware.......
post #2196 of 3485


True story bro!
post #2197 of 3485
Nice, I'm glad it worked out for you.

FYI, I'm just trying yet another DLNA server. This one is only for Mac though, but seems to have the best integration with iTunes, iPhoto and of course you're own content in separate folders. Also works with EyeTV too.

So far I'm very impressed .... we wll see if this is a keeper over Serviio !

http://www.yazsoft.com/products/playback/
post #2198 of 3485
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Originally Posted by Mark the Red View Post


Stuff like this makes me mist up. Thanks guys for helping a brother out!!! The internet rocks!!
Awesome.
post #2199 of 3485
I am relatively new to the forum. Just bought sony bdp-s790 after reading rave reviews on this forums. So far I am pleased.

My setup is Sony BDP-S790 ---> Sony STR-DA5300ES Receiver --->Sony KDS-60A3000 TV using HDMI. I also have PS3, Verizon Fios all connected to the Sony Receiver via HDMI as well.

Both Sony BDP-S790 and PS3 have wired TCP/IP connection. I connected the device to internet and it was updated the latest firmware

I have couple of questions that I am not fully clear of.

a) When I turn on the Sony BDP-S790 I see my TV screen flicker several times. The menu comes on and it disappears for a second and comes back, disappears again, come back. This happens 3 or 4 minutes before it settles down. Sometimes it does not stop. I have to physically turn off and turn on the player. I am not sure if this is due to HDMI handshake. Did anyone experience this as well? Is this normal? This happens while navigating through the menu, selecting video/audio apps etc as well.


b) Does the internal engine, scales the internet streaming videos to 1080 resolution also? I am noticing smooth picture quality. I signed up for new Indian TV Channels (yupptv). Just curious if the service itself is better and transmitting at higher resolution or my dvd player is doing to scaling as well. Is there a way to check if blu rayer is doing any scaling of incoming video stream?

So far this is my opinion about this blu-ray player

Pros

- Decent picture quality
- Even streaming video quality seems to be better compared to PS3
- wide variety of video/audio apps streaming support
- relatively fast
- 2 HDMI outs (somewhat future proof)
- Remote works easily with other sony devices without any programming
- Quick and easy setup. Firmware upgrade part went smoothly

Cons

- HDMI handshake is sketchy. Turning on the blue ray player the first time, make the tv screen flash several times (4-5 minutes), and it continues even if I start youtube video stream. Turning off the player and turning it on makes the problem go away. Tried switching on the TV/receiver first and then the player. It works sometimes but not always
- No way to remove unwanted Video apps or mark the ones you want as favorites. I talked to tech support as well about this. I use only a couple of streaming apps and I have to go through a long list of useless things everytime to locate them. Real pain. There is no way to install only the needed ones. Sony should provide a way to install/uninstall video apps. This is big miss as far as I am concerned mad.gif
- Remote is plasticy. Remote buttons give annoying clicking sound.

Played looper blu ray over the weekend, the picture seems little soft. I have not played with any settings in the player yet. Using just out of box settings. Did not have time to compare same video on PS3. Will do some more testing. Not tried to DLNA features yet.


Thanks
post #2200 of 3485
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Originally Posted by Mark the Red View Post

Well after much bellyaching on this forum and elsewhere, I can now safely say that my s790 streams MKV files natively from my NAS (i.e., miniDLNA / samba)

After the kind soul here apw2607 pointed me to the sourceforge.net website to the minidlna code that would fix my problem, I headed over to the smallnetbuilder website where a guy named Merlin has been doing yeoman's work in building custom firmware for the ASUS rt-n66u flagship routers.

I meekly whined there about my problem and asked if it was possible to compile your own firmware and BAM out of nowhere some dude named TeHashX corrected the miniDLNA code and compiled me my very own custom firmware for my router. eek.gifeek.gifeek.gifeek.gif

Now I am back in business streaming MKV files from my router / usb drive set directly to my Sony s790 player with no muxing around!

Stuff like this makes me mist up. Thanks guys for helping a brother out!!! The internet rocks!!

PS: Can't wait to smite the Sony tech support with this info!! (although maybe the cynic in me should no do this as Sony might maliciously outlaw this fix on their next firmware.......

Isn't the router doing the transcoding or remuxing now?
post #2201 of 3485
^^^^^^^^
No. Router is a real simple NAS. Its now serving the mkv files as mkv files. The Sony bdp player would refuse to play mkv files before unless they were exactly identified as such by the dlna server.
post #2202 of 3485
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Originally Posted by Mark the Red View Post

^^^^^^^^
No. Router is a real simple NAS. Its now serving the mkv files as mkv files. The Sony bdp player would refuse to play mkv files before unless they were exactly identified as such by the dlna server.

Mark, is all that is required a recompile of the miniDLNA code with that patch included, then? If so I will have to find someone to get it sorted out for my readyNAS.
post #2203 of 3485
^^^^

Yes. But please note I did not do the compiling so please do not assume I am some expert on this. I am not.

The corrected minidlna code linked to here is all that is needed.

It was talked about here at first.

You can see the standard miniDLNA code here used in my router and how it differs from the patch above. Basically the guys over at smallnetbuilder made this change and recompiled it for me.

Hope this helps.

PS: The @@ are merely rem notes identifying the lines of code that need changing, in case it was not obvious.
post #2204 of 3485
Fox,

I moseyed on over to the ReadyNAS website and funny enough people are having the same problems you are here:

Thread

Maybe if you post the solution above in that thread, somebody will recompile it for you. From my previous experience with Netgear their customer service has been outstanding.

As you can see, its a really minor change.

Again, hope this helps.
post #2205 of 3485
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Originally Posted by Fox-UK View Post

If so I will have to find someone to get it sorted out for my readyNAS.
Which ReadyNAS are you using and which DLNA server??? I know I had a much better experience using the Twonky Server on my Duo than the default ReadyNAS media server (readyDLNA?).

Various "Community Add-Ons" for ReadyNAS, including Twonky, are available here.
post #2206 of 3485
Fox,

I posted the solution on that READYNAS thread. Hopefully somebody there will sort it out. Good luck!
post #2207 of 3485
Thanks for doing that Mark. I would have tried to do so myself but I have lost my username and password for that forum.

Meanwhile I spent the day putting together a virtual machine for the ReadyNAS, recompiled miniDLNA with the patch, and sure enough it worked. It's a bloated version in comparison to the original but will suffice until there is a proper patch made.

I will post it up in the forum.

Thanks again for trailblazing this.
post #2208 of 3485
^^^^^

Thank you for your kind words, but it was really the guys over on sourgeforge who did the nitty gritty of this. I always suspected it was something really simple anyway.

With all this unpleasantness behind us, I have to say this bdp-s790 is a really full fledged awesome machine now. Absolutely love the Sony Berliner Philharmoniker channel. Listening to LIVE classical music from the best performers in the industry in 5.1 sound via a 4.5 MB/s connection is pure sex for a nerd like me.

PS: I can easily see why you forget your password over there. They wanted a 10 character password with a capital letter, number AND symbol just to sign up for a forum!?!?!? Geez, sounds like their forum admin is a really zealous ex-IT network pro with schizophrenia. I mean, are people really tracking to hack into people's forum accounts that badly in the world today? biggrin.gif
Edited by Mark the Red - 1/23/13 at 9:29am
post #2209 of 3485
I've had my BDP-S790 for a couple of months now and think it's a marvelous little techno package for under 200 clams. I did think that I had a lemon and even started a claim with Sony. Some of my discs would not play and the machine just froze. Specifically, Prometheus 2D and Avatar 2D/3D would not start and the display would just freeze on "Home". Very frustrating. I did try a bunch of settings, including turning off 'BD Live' but nothing seemed to work. After Googling around I discovered that other players including PS3 would also be stuck on some BD Discs. Turns out that if you clear all your BD cache (on your USB drive) as well as making sure your BD Live is off, then most of the discs should play (some are just defective and not the player's fault). That was the case with me. Very glad to have figured it out as I really like this player. I apologize if this has been covered in a previous post - I haven' read them all, but it sure made my day when it worked for me.
cheers,
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post #2210 of 3485
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Originally Posted by bluechunks View Post

Yup. Sony has apparently intentionally crippled their players by removing MKV playback via DLNA. If you need MKV via DLNA look at a dedicated media player or an Oppo Blu Ray player.
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Originally Posted by Fox-UK View Post

Thanks for doing that Mark. I would have tried to do so myself but I have lost my username and password for that forum.

Meanwhile I spent the day putting together a virtual machine for the ReadyNAS, recompiled miniDLNA with the patch, and sure enough it worked. It's a bloated version in comparison to the original but will suffice until there is a proper patch made.

I will post it up in the forum.

Thanks again for trailblazing this.

A simple thanks would be nice for apw2607, that he was right all along. hahahahaha.
post #2211 of 3485
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Originally Posted by billdag View Post

I've had my BDP-S790 for a couple of months now and think it's a marvelous little techno package for under 200 clams. I did think that I had a lemon and even started a claim with Sony. Some of my discs would not play and the machine just froze. Specifically, Prometheus 2D and Avatar 2D/3D would not start and the display would just freeze on "Home". Very frustrating. I did try a bunch of settings, including turning off 'BD Live' but nothing seemed to work. After Googling around I discovered that other players including PS3 would also be stuck on some BD Discs. Turns out that if you clear all your BD cache (on your USB drive) as well as making sure your BD Live is off, then most of the discs should play (some are just defective and not the player's fault). That was the case with me. Very glad to have figured it out as I really like this player. I apologize if this has been covered in a previous post - I haven' read them all, but it sure made my day when it worked for me.
cheers,
biggrin.gif

Nice. Good to know, I'm sure that will help others that have issues with BDs.
post #2212 of 3485
Thanks apw2607. You're the bestest ever!
post #2213 of 3485
I have always been able to stream MKV files from my PC to my S790 (with adding the AC3 filter and Haali Splitter Codecs to my PC). Now I can't see the MKVs in my director on the S790. AVIs are there, but no MKVs. I uninstalled all other codecs, and re-installed the AC3 Filter and Haali Splitter, Plus the DivX Plus codecs. Still not working.

MKVs via USB still works...

I started reading about the latest Sony Update. Cinavia content protection technology was put into effect? Is this the reason I can't stream MKVs any longer? CAn anyone else test and report their findings?
post #2214 of 3485
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Originally Posted by NismoZ View Post

I have always been able to stream MKV files from my PC to my S790 (with adding the AC3 filter and Haali Splitter Codecs to my PC). Now I can't see the MKVs in my director on the S790. AVIs are there, but no MKVs. I uninstalled all other codecs, and re-installed the AC3 Filter and Haali Splitter, Plus the DivX Plus codecs. Still not working.

MKVs via USB still works...

I started reading about the latest Sony Update. Cinavia content protection technology was put into effect? Is this the reason I can't stream MKVs any longer? CAn anyone else test and report their findings?

Cinavia is one protection method - I doubt the disabling of MKV files is connected to Cinavia
post #2215 of 3485
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Originally Posted by Mark the Red View Post

Thanks apw2607. You're the bestest ever!

I was just having a bit of fun Mark !

In any case, if anyone is on the fence buying one of these players, Sonyrewards.com is currently selling them for $199, so $50 off. You don't need Sony rewards to actually purchase the player, you can just use cash.

Generally speaking Sony rewards take around 7 days to get the item out ... so don't expect Amazon shipping times !
post #2216 of 3485
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Originally Posted by drhankz View Post

Cinavia is one protection method - I doubt the disabling of MKV files is connected to Cinavia

Cinavia currently does not apply to playing files over DLNA . Only disk based playback.
post #2217 of 3485
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Originally Posted by NismoZ View Post

I have always been able to stream MKV files from my PC to my S790 (with adding the AC3 filter and Haali Splitter Codecs to my PC). Now I can't see the MKVs in my director on the S790. AVIs are there, but no MKVs. I uninstalled all other codecs, and re-installed the AC3 Filter and Haali Splitter, Plus the DivX Plus codecs. Still not working.

MKVs via USB still works...

I started reading about the latest Sony Update. Cinavia content protection technology was put into effect? Is this the reason I can't stream MKVs any longer? CAn anyone else test and report their findings?

Are you using windows media player ?

Try Serviio, use the Bravia 2012 - US profile, or the generic DLNA profile.

If the MKVs are Mpeg 4 AVC you can turn off transcoding.

If the MKVs are VC-1 or Mpeg 2, you can do 1 of two things. Enable transcoding on serviio or Remux the MKV to M2TS using tsMuxeR.

Look back up this thread or search the thread. Lots of posts on this.

and BTW, Cinavia doesn't prevent files being shown in a browser. It comes into play when the file is being played and presents the user with a error message, after 20 minutes or so. However as I said above, this does not apply to files being played over DLNA.
Edited by apw2607 - 1/23/13 at 9:00pm
post #2218 of 3485
Serviio worked well. Thats what I'm using now. Thanks guys.
post #2219 of 3485
Hi,


Can someone tell me the distance from the the left side of the player to the left side of the disk tray (with it closed). I have certain space constraints with my equipment rack, so, because the door opens on the left side there may not be enough clearance for the door to open. Thanks.
post #2220 of 3485
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

I was just having a bit of fun Mark !

In any case, if anyone is on the fence buying one of these players, Sonyrewards.com is currently selling them for $199, so $50 off. You don't need Sony rewards to actually purchase the player, you can just use cash.

Generally speaking Sony rewards take around 7 days to get the item out ... so don't expect Amazon shipping times !

My comment was a bit of tongue in cheek. Sincerely, appreciate your help in this.

Great deal on this player. $200 is a steal!
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