Official 2012 Sony BDP-S790 Thread - Page 76

I don' think my modem is a router too (Webstar from Cablevision; one co-ax in, one rj45 out, two rj11 outs, one USB for ?). So would a router go after the webstar, and have two outs from it (one for the computer & one for the s790)?
Sorry for my ignorance....

Murf

Correct. It will look like this, where PC2 is your 790.

I just want to thank Mark for actually going onto the Netgear forums and sharing the information.

I have a case open with Netgear and they will be taking a look.

"Dear *,

My name is *, and I am responding in behalf of *.

We will be checking the forum link you provided and determine the next step from there.


Sincerely,

*
Level 2 Support Expert
NETGEAR, Inc. "

To get around the issue at the moment I'm using TSMuxer and muxing to M2TS, the file then works.

Most of the issues that have come up are with DLNA, and in general thats a bag of nails .... not just for the 790, but for many other players, since there are many variables.

Servers, File types, codecs, networks, hardware performance, network performance, etc, etc, etc.

100 ft ??!!! More like 100 meters !

Got it, thanks.

Ahh, thank you for letting me know..I will order the S790 on Friday

Thank you for your kind words, but your thanks should be directed over to the guys at sourceforge.net who actually patched the code.......

I'm just the herald of good news.

Hi

First sorry for my bad english.
I have buy today a Sony BDP-S790.

Test a Blu-ray Disc 3D movie and it played good, but then i test it with a USB stick and the screen will stutter on a MKV movie.
The MKV movie played good on PC, the problem is not the movie.

How can i fixed this ?

which has better blu ray PQ s790 or s1000es? which has better settings that allow setting the picture so that it has more depth ,color etc?

Picked mine up today and have 1 question, how can I get the unit to stream MP4's?

I have the ES1000 and I will be getting the S790, I will compare them and let you know

I sent an email to Sony Support regarding the MP4 problem and there response was a link to a compatibility [age for their Blue-Ray players as seen in the images below. MP4 is not supported over DLNA but is via USB.





Update to my issue: I downloaded a trial version of "Serviio" media streaming server software and installed it on my Media Smart (My version of Twonky and Media connect wont transcode and have been disabled), I'm now able to play the MP4's via DLNA.

How much does the transcoding affect the picture quality and is there better Media Streaming software out there?
Edited by InfernoST - 1/30/13 at 4:01am

Thanks for posting the chart. Unfortunately most of it is wrong. Probably just way out of date. Not your fault though.

Transcoding affects the quality quite a bit and taxes your server. I'd turn it off when possible.

Serviio is the best DLNA server for sony players. Just don't use the default profile. That will result in more incompatibility and transcoding than the Bravia 2012 profile.

Why would Sony send me an out of date link? In any case the 790 wouldn't play straight mp4 files from my server when using either Twonky or Meida connect. If I can find the transcoder settings I will try to disable it and see what happens from there.

I don't know, but the info in the player manual directly contradicts much of the info on that page, as does our direct experience. For example, sony players in the US won't do divx but will do most other video formats on that list.

I beg to Differ. If you look at the page in the manual the *2 denotes does not play file format on DLNA server.

Mp4 is tricky because its a format AND can be a container.

You do need to first figure out what the video and audio codec used for the file is ... and then you can go from there.

As an example the podcast HDNation from Revision 3 is a "mp4" file. The file is being served by "playback DLNA" for mac. It has no transcoding ability.

The S790 "sees" the file as a MP4 and can play it.

On closer examination of the file, the video codec used is AVC Mpeg4 and the audio is AAC.



General
Complete name : /Media/iTunes/Podcasts/HD Nation (HD MP4 - 30fps)/Best HDTV At CES Wasn't 4K. Panasonic ZT60. Broken HDTV_ Here's what to do first! CES Highlights_ HD Projectors, 4K, IGZO, Sony, and Boom Boxes_!_ - HD Nation.mp4
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media
Codec ID : isom
File size : 117 MiB
Duration : 8mn 37s
Overall bit rate : 1 897 Kbps
Movie name : Best HDTV At CES Wasn't 4K. Panasonic ZT60. Broken HDTV? Here's what to do first! CES Highlights: HD Projectors, 4K, IGZO, Sony, and Boom Boxes?!? - HD Nation
Album : HD Nation (HD MP4 - 30fps)
Performer : Revision3
Genre : Podcast
Recorded date : UTC 2013-01-18 17:00:00
Encoded date : UTC 2013-01-17 02:26:54
Tagged date : UTC 2013-01-17 02:26:54
Writing application : Lavf53.32.100
Copyright : 2013 revision3 corporation
desc : / You know there was a lot of amazing HD gear at CES this year... Robert's talks Panasonic ZT60, Digital Projection HD projectors, light sensor pens, 4k, OLED, Sony, IGZO, the latest trend in Blu-ray player design and... boom boxes? Broken HDTV? Learn from
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ldes : / You know there was a lot of amazing HD gear at CES this year... Robert's talks Panasonic ZT60, Digital Projection HD projectors, light sensor pens, 4k, OLED, Sony, IGZO, the latest trend in Blu-ray player design and... boom boxes? Broken HDTV? Learn from Joyce and call the manufacturer first! /
cnID : 0
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tvsn : 0
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purd : 1904-01-01 00:00:00
rndu : 0
rpdu : 0

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : Main@L3.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 8mn 37s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 1 800 Kbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Height : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.065
Stream size : 109 MiB (93%)
Writing library : x264 core 120
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=2 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x1:0x111 / me=umh / subme=7 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=0 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=1 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=2 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=0 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=0 / keyint=180 / keyint_min=29 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=2pass / mbtree=1 / bitrate=1800 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / vbv_maxrate=1890 / vbv_bufsize=12000 / nal_hrd=none / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2013-01-17 02:26:54
Tagged date : UTC 2013-01-17 02:26:54

Audio
ID : 2
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
Format profile : LC
Codec ID : 40
Duration : 8mn 37s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 117 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 160 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 7.23 MiB (6%)
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2013-01-17 02:26:54
Tagged date : UTC 2013-01-17 02:26:54

So as mDaveJ points out above, the table Sony sent you is incorrect as the 790 can play AVC mpeg 4 video with AAC Audio (mp4) over DLNA without any trans-coding.

And yes, that table is so screwy. NO DTS on a M2TS over DLNA? What are they on. Of course that is supported. Not just DTS, but DTS Master Audio too.

Hahaha, Sony marketing are not talking to Sony engineering.
Edited by apw2607 - 1/30/13 at 2:30pm

Sorry I was mixing "direct experience" and what's in the manual. The manual is also wrong in many cases because most of those files play just fine over DLNA. So to clarify, the manual contradicts the posted list for some files. Both the list and manual are wrong in the case of many other file types.

If anyone finds an accurate list, please post it. You could probably make one from the info in the serviio profile, but I'm not smart enough to do that myself.

How do you go about finding that out?

Not sure if you are on a Mac or a PC, but if you are on a Mac, "Media Inspector" is very good. That the one I use above. I updated the post above with some more info that may help ... or not of course.

We're back to the old subject of DLNA "not working out the box" ..... a subject of much conversation on this thread I'm afraid. DLNA is great, once you've mastered it .... and understand limitations and implementations on server/player sides ... but it is a bit of a nightmare, and understand how consumers get frustrated.

I know enough about DLNA to get me in trouble but that's about it, I do however love finding, fixing while learning along the way. Thanks for info once again, I'm on a Mac but my server is HP Mediasmart, I'm going to find the inspector and check it out.

This is what I got from Conair 4 MP4, what could be the problem.


General
Complete name : /Volumes/Videos/PS3 ACTION/CONAIR.mp4
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID : mp42
File size : 2.12 GiB
Duration : 1h 55mn
Overall bit rate : 2 624 Kbps
Encoded date : UTC 2008-12-04 05:54:53
Tagged date : UTC 2008-12-04 07:06:13
Writing application : HandBrake 0.9.3 2008112300

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : Main@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 1 frame
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 1h 55mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 2 500 Kbps
Width : 720 pixels
Height : 480 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 4:3
Original display aspect ratio : 4:3
Frame rate mode : Variable
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Minimum frame rate : 14.986 fps
Maximum frame rate : 90.566 fps
Standard : NTSC
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.302
Stream size : 1.98 GiB (94%)
Writing library : x264 core 65
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=1 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x1:0x111 / me=umh / subme=6 / psy_rd=1.0:0.0 / mixed_ref=0 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=0 / 8x8dct=0 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=3 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / mbaff=0 / bframes=0 / keyint=240 / keyint_min=24 / scenecut=40(pre) / rc=abr / bitrate=2500 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2008-12-04 05:54:53
Tagged date : UTC 2008-12-04 07:06:13
Color primaries : BT.601-6 525, BT.1358 525, BT.1700 NTSC, SMPTE 170M
Transfer characteristics : BT.709-5, BT.1361
Matrix coefficients : BT.601-6 525, BT.1358 525, BT.1700 NTSC, SMPTE 170M

Audio
ID : 2
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
Format profile : LC
Codec ID : 40
Duration : 1h 55mn
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 160 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 200 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 132 MiB (6%)
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2008-12-04 05:54:53
Tagged date : UTC 2008-12-04 07:06:11

I went back and checked the BDP-S590 owners manual >>

For Note 2:



I guess Sony are edging their bets. "May not play".

Unfortunately I dont have a very big collection of mp4s to do lots of testing, but the only thing that is different from your file and my file is

yours:

Format profile : Main@L4.1

everything I seem to have is

Format profile : High@L3.0
or
Format profile : High@L3.1

So I'm not 100% certain if this could be a issue or not.

I can take a iTunes music video and play it fine in the S790. ITunes "mp4" music videos dont have any DRM. It seems that most iTunes music videos are just using the High@L3.0 profile.

I was looking at the Codec ID = mp42 which is different from yours, now the problem is how do I change this to a more compliant Codec?

You could try putting it in a MKV container instead. Use MKVmerge.

I did that last night and am now using wondershare to convert the MP4 that Handbrake generated with the mp42 codec ID to another MP4 with a Codec ID = isom. I will check both files later to see what the results are.

What profile did you use originally to create the file. I've used handbrake before, and if I select the Apple TV 3 profile, the resulting mp4 file plays perfectly on the S790 ... and actually, I think the picture looks better using the 790 than Apple TV 3, due to SBM and the Auto video setting I use.