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post #2281 of 3486
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

What profile did you use originally to create the file. I've used handbrake before, and if I select the Apple TV 3 profile, the resulting mp4 file plays perfectly on the S790 ... and actually, I think the picture looks better using the 790 than Apple TV 3, due to SBM and the Auto video setting I use.

What a PIA this CODEC stuff is, neither of the above worked. I'm going to use Handbrake with the Apple TV 3 profile. If this works which it probably will (fingers X-d) I'll have to re-do about 300 movies (OUCH!!!)eek.gif I'll give an update later, I'm converting it now.
post #2282 of 3486
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Originally Posted by InfernoST View Post

What a PIA this CODEC stuff is, neither of the above worked. I'm going to use Handbrake with the Apple TV 3 profile. If this works which it probably will (fingers X-d) I'll have to re-do about 300 movies (OUCH!!!)eek.gif I'll give an update later, I'm converting it now.

Yes, my workflow now is to simply take the content direct with zero transcoding. I use makemkv.

If the codec used is AVC Mpeg 4, i leave it as a MKV.790 will play native
if the codec used is VC-1 or Mpeg 2 (Mpeg 2 will be all DVD content), I remux to a M2TS. Again 790 will play native.

That way I leave the original content as is, not messing with transcoding to different devices like ATV, etc.

You can always transcode the MKV or M2TS to Mp4 for say ATV 3 at a later time if needed.
post #2283 of 3486
I'm an owner of BDP-S550 and now BDP-S790.I have made a lot of movies with tsmuxer (BDremux) and all of them plays fine with zero problems on s550. On s790 the picture cracking (the sound plays normal) and the movie is unwatchable. Try to put it usb (AVCHD) and i get the same results. Single m2ts file plays fine.Anyone knows where is the problem?. Any advice?
post #2284 of 3486
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

What profile did you use originally to create the file. I've used handbrake before, and if I select the Apple TV 3 profile, the resulting mp4 file plays perfectly on the S790 ... and actually, I think the picture looks better using the 790 than Apple TV 3, due to SBM and the Auto video setting I use.

I tried converting the Video_TS file for Anaconda using the Apple TV 3 profile in Handbrake and it still wont play via DLNA. Handbrake produce a .m4v file.

A couple of things I've notice about the 790.

1 - Disk playback is fantastic so that I'm happy with.
2 - However trying to use this thing as a media streamer is just about worthless IMO, if you are going to tout streaming ability of your equipment you should make sure it compatible with all of major Codecs out there. They know how to do it because the PS3 does it.
3 - The remote is a piece of junk.
4 - I've had the 790 lock up several times while attempting to stream from my server.

I may just throw in the towel and get a purpose built media streamer which will solve the problem but adds yet another piece of equipment & remote to an already tight space.
post #2285 of 3486
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Originally Posted by InfernoST View Post

I tried converting the Video_TS file for Anaconda using the Apple TV 3 profile in Handbrake and it still wont play via DLNA. Handbrake produce a .m4v file.

A couple of things I've notice about the 790.

1 - Disk playback is fantastic so that I'm happy with.
2 - However trying to use this thing as a media streamer is just about worthless IMO, if you are going to tout streaming ability of your equipment you should make sure it compatible with all of major Codecs out there. They know how to do it because the PS3 does it.
3 - The remote is a piece of junk.
4 - I've had the 790 lock up several times while attempting to stream from my server.

I may just throw in the towel and get a purpose built media streamer which will solve the problem but adds yet another piece of equipment & remote to an already tight space.

It is indeed designed to be used for DLNA playback.

m4v is fine. Its just a variation on a mp4. Its still a container.

I'm sure we can get this working. What DLNA server are you using ?
You're using Handbrake to rip a DVD? Correct?

When you see the m4v file on the S790, how is it "presented" in the browser. There should be a little grey box under the file name. This is how the S790 is interpreting the file. Does it say mp4?

Try the following mp4 file for a test with your DLNA server and see if the S790 plays it Ok.

http://videos.revision3.com/revision3/web/hdnation/0192/hdnation--0192--super-bowl-your-hdtv--hd720p30.h264.mp4

Have a look at this screenshot again


Edited by apw2607 - 2/1/13 at 10:54am
post #2286 of 3486
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no need to shout
post #2287 of 3486
Pioneer LX55 or Sony BDP-S790? or ps3? or oppo 103? My concern is bluray image quality and 3d performance smile.gif
post #2288 of 3486
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Originally Posted by cemo62 View Post

Pioneer LX55 or Sony BDP-S790? or ps3? or oppo 103? My concern is bluray image quality and 3d performance smile.gif

There SHOULD BE NO DIFFERENCE for Blu-Ray Applications.

That is why it is called Lossless Video and Audio.

Digital is Digital - all they do is transmit 1" and 0"

When it comes to Non-Blu-Ray - then there is a difference.

I own the S790 and it is the best one for non-blu-ray applications.
post #2289 of 3486
Blu-ray and 3D performance should be identical for all of them. I've seen claims that the PS3's output is somewhat softer. I don't understand how that could be, though. Either you're decoding the compressed video correctly or you're not. I haven't seen any reviews of the automated 2D-to-3D fakery provided by most 3D players if that's one of your criteria.

edited to add: PS3s have noisy fans and generate lots of heat, so if you're not a gamer, those are a couple of strikes against it.

The video manipulation options differ somewhat. That would make the most difference when upscaling standard definition video (e.g. from DVD).

Modern Oppo players have many other features not (yet?) provided by players from any of the other manufacturers, which is why they're so much more expensive.
post #2290 of 3486
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

It is indeed designed to be used for DLNA playback.

m4v is fine. Its just a variation on a mp4. Its still a container.

I'm sure we can get this working. What DLNA server are you using ?
You're using Handbrake to rip a DVD? Correct?

When you see the m4v file on the S790, how is it "presented" in the browser. There should be a little grey box under the file name. This is how the S790 is interpreting the file. Does it say mp4?

Try the following mp4 file for a test with your DLNA server and see if the S790 plays it Ok.

http://videos.revision3.com/revision3/web/hdnation/0192/hdnation--0192--super-bowl-your-hdtv--hd720p30.h264.mp4

Have a look at this screenshot again


I'm using Twonky as the DLNA server and Handbrake to rip the DVD's. The file produced by Handbrake was .m4v and can be seen on the physical server but appears on the 790 as .mp4.

Unable to download file to test, it brings me to a link.
Edited by InfernoST - 2/1/13 at 12:48pm
post #2291 of 3486
I'm planning to buy BDP-S790, I've some questions regarding usb playback that coudn't find in product specification:
- How large USB drives / HDD drives can S790 read?
- Is it able to play BD-ISO from external HDD and Blu-Ray movies ripped on HDD?
post #2292 of 3486
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Originally Posted by drhankz View Post

There SHOULD BE NO DIFFERENCE for Blu-Ray Applications.

That is why it is called Lossless Video and Audio.

Digital is Digital - all they do is transmit 1" and 0"

When it comes to Non-Blu-Ray - then there is a difference.

I own the S790 and it is the best one for non-blu-ray applications.

what about 3d performance, somebody says they have less crosstalk and ghosting, is that can be true?
post #2293 of 3486
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Originally Posted by cemo62 View Post

what about 3d performance, somebody says they have less crosstalk and ghosting, is that can be true?

I have no idea about all these Ghosting Stories about Ghosts.

I have never seen one on my 13ft Screen.
post #2294 of 3486
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Originally Posted by drhankz View Post

I have no idea about all these Ghosting Stories about Ghosts.

I have never seen one on my 13ft Screen.

wow nice whats ur projector and screen, do u watch 3d often?
post #2295 of 3486
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Originally Posted by cemo62 View Post

wow nice whats ur projector and screen, do u watch 3d often?

Yes - whenever there is a new one released.

Epson 5010
post #2296 of 3486
@drhankz Congrulations really nice setup, what do you think about my project? http://www.avsforum.com/t/1454872/what-about-covering-walls-with-this-material-for-dedicated-ht
post #2297 of 3486
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Originally Posted by InfernoST View Post

I'm using Twonky as the DLNA server and Handbrake to rip the DVD's. The file produced by Handbrake was .m4v and can be seen on the physical server but appears on the 790 as .mp4.

Unable to download file to test, it brings me to a link.

Hover over link with your mouse, right mouse button and use save link as .......

Should allow you to save the file to your hard drive.

Can we also try Serviio rather than Twonky. Just to test.

When using Serviio, please select the Bravia 2012 - US profile, and un-select Transcoding on the transcoding tab.

Let us know how you get on.

post #2298 of 3486
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

Hover over link with your mouse, right mouse button and use save link as .......

Should allow you to save the file to your hard drive.

Can we also try Serviio rather than Twonky. Just to test.

When using Serviio, please select the Bravia 2012 - US profile, and un-select Transcoding on the transcoding tab.

Let us know how you get on.


Got the file. I will try it with twonky then Serviio with the transcoding off.

I'll let you know how it works out.
post #2299 of 3486
Test results

Twonky played the file without issue and looked great.

Serviio set for Bravia 2012 (US) and the transcoding off didn't play that or any other file.

Here is a screen shot of Serviio.


Things that make you go Hmmmm....LOL

UPDATE

I changed the settings back on Serviio and enabled the transcoding and everything works.
Edited by InfernoST - 2/1/13 at 4:17pm
post #2300 of 3486
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Originally Posted by InfernoST View Post

Test results

Twonky played the file without issue and looked great.

Serviio set for Bravia 2012 (US) and the transcoding off didn't play that or any other file.

Here is a screen shot of Serviio.


Things that make you go Hmmmm....LOL

UPDATE

I changed the settings back on Serviio and enabled the transcoding and everything works.

Thanks. Now the screenshot you provided with Serviio. Is that with transcoding enabled or disabled ?

I'm really puzzled why the test file would not play with Serviio, Bravia profile and transcoding off. The file should be presented as a mp4 to the player and since it uses the AVC Mpeg 4 codec it should play natively. Your screenshot is saying Serviio is presenting the file to the S790 as a Mpeg Transport Stream.
Edited by apw2607 - 2/1/13 at 4:48pm
post #2301 of 3486
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

Thanks. Now the screenshot you provided with Serviio. Is that with transcoding enabled or disabled ?

I'm really puzzled why the test file would not play with Serviio, Bravia profile and transcoding off. The file should be presented as a mp4 to the player and since it uses the AVC Mpeg 4 codec it should play natively. Your screenshot is saying Serviio is presenting the file to the S790 as a Mpeg Transport Stream.

That screenshot was with the transcoding off, it is the same whether the transcoding is on or off. Here a screenshot of my system info, maybe our firmware is different?

post #2302 of 3486
Sorry to disappoint but you may have thought you had turned off transcoding, but you hadn't. When you un select the transcoding checkbox, you need to do a few things.

1) Make sure Serviio server is stopped, and then restarted.
2) Sometimes restart the S790
3) Sometimes completely kill all Serviio processes and restart (or reboot computer)

Only when you see MP4 in the grey box next to our test file will you know that transcoding is not enabled.

In actual fact, when the Transcoding checkbox was ticked in Serviio, all Serviio was doing was remuxing the mp4 container into a M2TS container on the fly. Minor details ... but a remux doesn't mess with the original and you dont loose quality. Much less overhead on the server too. Its like doing a TSMUXer on the file ... but in real time !

Anyway, I digress. Try again .... see if you can get the test mp4 file to play without transcoding checked.

In terms of firmware, you're running the latest like me.

and just to absolutely double check, I just took a clip from a DVD, using Handbrake. Selected the Apple TV 3 profile. Did no changes whatsoever. Saved the file in my Serviio video library. Refreshed the library, and the S790 saw the file as a mp4 (even though Handbrake saved it as a m4v), and played it back without any issues.


Edited by apw2607 - 2/1/13 at 6:21pm
post #2303 of 3486
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

Sorry to disappoint but you may have thought you had turned off transcoding, but you hadn't. When you un select the transcoding checkbox, you need to do a few things.

1) Make sure Serviio server is stopped, and then restarted.
2) Sometimes restart the S790
3) Sometimes completely kill all Serviio processes and restart (or reboot computer)

Only when you see MP4 in the grey box next to our test file will you know that transcoding is not enabled.

In actual fact, when the Transcoding checkbox was ticked in Serviio, all Serviio was doing was remuxing the mp4 container into a M2TS container on the fly. Minor details ... but a remux doesn't mess with the original and you dont loose quality. Much less overhead on the server too. Its like doing a TSMUXer on the file ... but in real time !

Anyway, I digress. Try again .... see if you can get the test mp4 file to play without transcoding checked.

In terms of firmware, you're running the latest like me.

and just to absolutely double check, I just took a clip from a DVD, using Handbrake. Selected the Apple TV 3 profile. Did no changes whatsoever. Saved the file in my Serviio video library. Refreshed the library, and the S790 saw the file as a mp4 (even though Handbrake saved it as a m4v), and played it back without any issues.


OK I'll give a shot in the morning. The version Serviio I'm using is for the windows server. What I did was uncheck the transcode box then saved, went over to the 790 turned it on, accessed the server and selected the file I got from you and it wouldn't play, turned the 790 off went back to the server - enabled transcoding/saved went back to the BDP - turned it on - selected the file and it played.

I will take all of the steps you outlined in the mornin.

Thanks for all of your help.
post #2304 of 3486
I followed your directions to the letter and this is what I got.


It works now, all is good in the world.

I am indebted to you APW2607, thank you for taking the time out to help me through this problem and further educating me on this rather confusing topic.

About the remote control comment I made above, I programmed my AVR remote to operate the 790, it is 10 times better than the remote supplied by Sony.smile.gif
post #2305 of 3486
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Originally Posted by InfernoST View Post

I followed your directions to the letter and this is what I got.

It works now, all is good in the world.

I am indebted to you APW2607, thank you for taking the time out to help me through this problem and further educating me on this rather confusing topic.

About the remote control comment I made above, I programmed my AVR remote to operate the 790, it is 10 times better than the remote supplied by Sony.smile.gif

Awesome. Glad things worked out !!
post #2306 of 3486
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

Awesome. Glad things worked out !!

Me too, thanks again. Now my girls want to watch Barbie and all of their favorites from the server (they were both paying close attention to what I was doing and new why, they are 6 & 8), smart little cookies.smile.gifsmile.gif
post #2307 of 3486
Has anyone tried using a USB powered hard drive with their S790? I am wondering if the USB ports will power one.
post #2308 of 3486
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Originally Posted by fdisker2000 View Post

Has anyone tried using a USB powered hard drive with their S790? I am wondering if the USB ports will power one.

Yes it will but a low powered 2.5" laptop drive is what you want. Low rpm ... 5400.

Have used a 500Gb drive and it works fine.
post #2309 of 3486
FYI. SonyRewards.com are offering the S790 this week for $189. 56 left at time of posting.
post #2310 of 3486
Thanks for the info.

I joined and added it to cart. But it showed $234. Am I missing something????
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