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post #3391 of 3485
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

Set to Auto rather than PCM for bitstream to your receiver.
The options are Downmix PCM or Bitstream...no option for Auto.
post #3392 of 3485
Ok, bitstream then. I wish Sony would make up their minds.
post #3393 of 3485
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Originally Posted by Urlacher5454 View Post

So there is no way my receiver can display the disc format? I guess as long as I'm receiving the best possible signal it really doesn't matter but I like seeing DTS-HD on my receivers display.

Since you originally said you were running video to your TV
and audio to your receiver -- I ASSUMED you had an older
receive that could not DECODE DTS-MA.

That is why PCM would have been the correct choice. My
OLDER Receiver does not support DTS-MA which is why
I bought the S790 in the 1st place.
post #3394 of 3485
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

Set to Auto rather than PCM for bitstream to your receiver.

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Originally Posted by Urlacher5454 View Post

The options are Downmix PCM or Bitstream...no option for Auto.

Hi Urlacher5454, go to "Audio (HDMI)" menu to set the option to Auto not in the "Dolby Digital/DTS" menu.

Also go into "BD Audio Mix Setting" menu and set it to Off (default is On).
post #3395 of 3485
Eek. I've been using the optical-out because my tuner is old. Tried my first LPCM 5.1 track today. It outputs STEREO!
DTS HD MA goes DTS, DD TrueHD give high bitrate DD, but stereo? That's ridiculous. At least the disc has a second DD 640kbps track, but yeesh.

Am I correct that BD spec at least requires one Dolby track? I'm trying to figure how often I'll run into this.


Also... has anyone figured out anything else about remux/encode subtitles? I'm surprised idx/sub is supported but not BD-SUP and I've yet to find away to include subtitles with an mpeg2 video.

Mpeg2 in mkv isn't recognized by the Sony and (m2)ts doesn't seem to support srt OR idx/sub.

Edit: And one more thing...
Serviio for best support for Sony BD players on-the-fly remuxes mkv files as m2ts (according to what I've read).

Of course that doesn't make sense since m2ts doesn't support srt subs. Yet srt files in MKV are played back (without reencoding).
Edited by DoctorM - 2/17/14 at 10:57am
post #3396 of 3485
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Originally Posted by DoctorM View Post

Eek. I've been using the optical-out because my tuner is old. Tried my first LPCM 5.1 track today. It outputs STEREO!
PCM over S/PDIF (whether optical or coax) is limited to stereo. That's been in the design of the S/PDIF protocol since the beginning, and it's very unlikely to change at this late date. To get multichannel LPCM, you need to use an HDMI connection. You might try enabling Prologic decoding, though. That'll often result in some surround sound.
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DTS HD MA goes DTS, DD TrueHD give high bitrate DD, but stereo? That's ridiculous. At least the disc has a second DD 640kbps track, but yeesh.
To get discrete 5.1 surround sound over S/PDIF, the audio needs to be encoded using either Dolby Digital or DTS. When playing Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD MA soundtracks, high bitrate lossy DD or DTS is provided over S/PDIF.
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Am I correct that BD spec at least requires one Dolby track? I'm trying to figure how often I'll run into this.
Unlike DVDs, BDs are only required to provide any one of the three basic audio encodings: LPCM, Dolby Digital or DTS. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc#Audio

Only a very small number of BDs, mostly older ones, have only LPCM audio. The majority of newer pressings have their primary soundtracks recorded using DTS-HD MA. See http://www.blu-raystats.com/Stats/Stats.php
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Also... has anyone figured out anything else about remux/encode subtitles? I'm surprised idx/sub is supported but not BD-SUP and I've yet to find away to include subtitles with an mpeg2 video.

Mpeg2 in mkv isn't recognized by the Sony and (m2)ts doesn't seem to support srt OR idx/sub.

Edit: And one more thing...
Serviio for best support for Sony BD players on-the-fly remuxes mkv files as m2ts (according to what I've read).

Of course that doesn't make sense since m2ts doesn't support srt subs. Yet srt files in MKV are played back (without reencoding).

Sorry, I have no suggestions for the subtitle problems. They're just not supported very well when playing from rips.
post #3397 of 3485
Thanks. I was aware that the bandwidth of optical limited PCM to stereo. I just figured Sony would output at the very least DD5.1 when the source is PCM5.1. I guess they couldn't be bothered with an encoder. Although from my understanding DD TrueHD isn't supposed to have a core like DTS so you'd think some encoding is going on there.

I DID sort out the subtitle thing today. They're probably better supported than you think.
I've been toying with the idea of writing a media guide because of things like this. I just don't know if there is interest, or the best way to post it.
I suppose I could just make a long post and then link it in my signature.
post #3398 of 3485
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Originally Posted by DoctorM View Post

Thanks. I was aware that the bandwidth of optical limited PCM to stereo. I just figured Sony would output at the very least DD5.1 when the source is PCM5.1. I guess they couldn't be bothered with an encoder. Although from my understanding DD TrueHD isn't supposed to have a core like DTS so you'd think some encoding is going on there.

I DID sort out the subtitle thing today. They're probably better supported than you think.
I've been toying with the idea of writing a media guide because of things like this. I just don't know if there is interest, or the best way to post it.
I suppose I could just make a long post and then link it in my signature.
Not sure why you're insisting on PCM. Just bitstream over optical and you'll get DD5.1 and DTS5.1 every time. Will your AVR not decode those?
post #3399 of 3485
Hi guys,
This my first post on this forum.
I've made several searches but could not finy any direct match for my problem.
When I try to watch mkv files with DTS-HD.MA audio with my external hdd via usb connection, my bdp-s790 freezes just at the very first seconds of the movie. I have to remove the plug from wall outlet and put it back in, to bring the player back to life.
Software version of my bd player is M13.R.0497 and it's connected to a sony str-da2400es av receiver via hdmi.
Has anyone experienced this before or do I just have a faulty unit?
post #3400 of 3485
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

Not sure why you're insisting on PCM. Just bitstream over optical and you'll get DD5.1 and DTS5.1 every time. Will your AVR not decode those?

I am using bitstream. DTS HD-MA and DD TrueHD all stream fine as DTS and DD respectively. The audio track was LPCM 5.1 so the stream is PCM 2.0.

@beyzade - There are a lot of reasons why an MKV can give you problems. Make sure the video is High@L4.1. When muxing, use --engage no_cue_duration and --engage no_cue_relative_position. If you have subtitles and chapters, the mux needs to be: Video, Audio Tracks, Chapters, Subtitles (in that order).

Also, holding the power button for 10 seconds will force a reboot so you don't have to yank the plug on lock ups.
post #3401 of 3485
Yep, same exact problem here; I decided to take it back to Best Buy Sunday, and they are either fixing it or replacing it...I didn't feel like re-processing my dts MA movies every time, just so I could stream them through this thing...
Another solution, which I just found out tonight, is to use a Roku 3; if you get/have one, install the Roku streaming media channel, and set your Roku to output Dolby surround sound. Connect the Roku directly to your home theater receiver FIRST, via HDMI, and then run an HDMI cable from your home theater receiver directly to your tv; then you will be able to stream you MKV's in full DTS/MA/7.1!!

Hopefully, there is something Best Buy/ Sony can do to fix this issue, but since I had a Roku anyways, I did some research and found this solution!
If you dont have a Roku3, they are pretty cheap on line,(79-99 bucks) and are a great addition to your home theater setup!
post #3402 of 3485
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Originally Posted by wase4711 View Post

Yep, same exact problem here; I decided to take it back to Best Buy Sunday, and they are either fixing it or replacing it...I didn't feel like re-processing my dts MA movies every time, just so I could stream them through this thing...
Another solution, which I just found out tonight, is to use a Roku 3; if you get/have one, install the Roku streaming media channel, and set your Roku to output Dolby surround sound. Connect the Roku directly to your home theater receiver FIRST, via HDMI, and then run an HDMI cable from your home theater receiver directly to your tv; then you will be able to stream you MKV's in full DTS/MA/7.1!!

Hopefully, there is something Best Buy/ Sony can do to fix this issue, but since I had a Roku anyways, I did some research and found this solution!
If you dont have a Roku3, they are pretty cheap on line,(79-99 bucks) and are a great addition to your home theater setup!

They won't be able to fix it because there is nothing wrong with it. HD audio playback with MKV is temperamental at best. Youre better off remuxing into a M2TS container where the player is more forgiving.

Note, the Roku won't support trueHD, VC-1 or mpeg2 and high bit rate avc mpeg 4 is sketchy at best.

You may want to swap the 790 for the new 6200. It has better codec support and so far seems to be fine with DTS-MA on MKV. Its also $70 cheaper.
post #3403 of 3485
thanks, I was hoping that the new sony would support those things. I guess once they "try to fix" it, and tell me they cant, I will pick the 6200 as my "replacement"..I assume the 6200 is 3d as well? my tv is 4k, so I dont use the upscaler on the dvd player anyways..
post #3404 of 3485
Be aware the 6200 does not have dual HDMI or optical out and several other of the premium features found in the S790.

To be clear, you just need to repack your videos, not re-encode them. It's really not much effort and every stand alone media player has its quirks with what it can and cannot handle. I've found this Sony to be one of the better devices.

Btw, you just bought your player, did you update the firmware to the current version?
post #3405 of 3485
Thanks for the replies.
I did the remux from mkv to m2ts with subtitles, now it's fine with the dts-hd.ma audio, but the player does not display subtitles.

@DoctorM
How did you sort out the subtitle thing? you mean, subtitles with m2ts files?

Btw, subtitle fonts/sizes with mkv files are so small for my eyes. I guess there's no way to improve it.
post #3406 of 3485
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Originally Posted by DoctorM View Post

Thanks. I was aware that the bandwidth of optical limited PCM to stereo. I just figured Sony would output at the very least DD5.1 when the source is PCM5.1. I guess they couldn't be bothered with an encoder. Although from my understanding DD TrueHD isn't supposed to have a core like DTS so you'd think some encoding is going on there.

I DID sort out the subtitle thing today. They're probably better supported than you think.
I've been toying with the idea of writing a media guide because of things like this. I just don't know if there is interest, or the best way to post it.
I suppose I could just make a long post and then link it in my signature.
You can always change the hometheater receiver.
post #3407 of 3485
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Originally Posted by DoctorM View Post

Be aware the 6200 does not have dual HDMI or optical out and several other of the premium features found in the S790.

To be clear, you just need to repack your videos, not re-encode them. It's really not much effort and every stand alone media player has its quirks with what it can and cannot handle. I've found this Sony to be one of the better devices.

Btw, you just bought your player, did you update the firmware to the current version?

yep, done every firmware update and check all the time.
whats the best/fastest software to use to repack them?

thanks
post #3408 of 3485
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Originally Posted by DoctorM View Post

Thanks. I was aware that the bandwidth of optical limited PCM to stereo. I just figured Sony would output at the very least DD5.1 when the source is PCM5.1. I guess they couldn't be bothered with an encoder. Although from my understanding DD TrueHD isn't supposed to have a core like DTS so you'd think some encoding is going on there.
My understanding is that Dolby actually includes a DD track in addition to the TrueHD track. They just don't make it selectable. Which seems strange to me.
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I DID sort out the subtitle thing today. They're probably better supported than you think.
I've been toying with the idea of writing a media guide because of things like this. I just don't know if there is interest, or the best way to post it.
I suppose I could just make a long post and then link it in my signature.
That sounds reasonable to me. You might also post it in the HTPC forum so people can try your procedure and make comments.
post #3409 of 3485
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Originally Posted by DoctorM View Post

Be aware the 6200 does not have dual HDMI or optical out and several other of the premium features found in the S790.

To be clear, you just need to repack your videos, not re-encode them. It's really not much effort and every stand alone media player has its quirks with what it can and cannot handle. I've found this Sony to be one of the better devices.

Btw, you just bought your player, did you update the firmware to the current version?

For S790 owners, upgrading to a BDP-S6200 they get the benefit of the new audio enhancer, the new netflix app (with 5800kbps support), a new Crackle app and maybe a new Amazon app. They also get improved codec support in MKVs with MPEG2 and VC-1 video codecs. If they have a 2013 or above Sony TV, and appropriate BD media, they can take advantage of extended color (Triluminos). They also get screen mirroring with Android phone and tablets.
They loose the extra HDMI output, Skype support and arguably less solid build.
post #3410 of 3485
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Originally Posted by beyzade View Post

Thanks for the replies.
I did the remux from mkv to m2ts with subtitles, now it's fine with the dts-hd.ma audio, but the player does not display subtitles.

@DoctorM
How did you sort out the subtitle thing? you mean, subtitles with m2ts files?

Btw, subtitle fonts/sizes with mkv files are so small for my eyes. I guess there's no way to improve it.

Yea, no subtitles with M2TS. Trade off i'm afraid.

During the backup process if you just select the lossy audio tracks then the S790 should be fine. It just seems to have issue with HD audio and MKV in some instances
post #3411 of 3485
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Originally Posted by beyzade View Post

Thanks for the replies.
I did the remux from mkv to m2ts with subtitles, now it's fine with the dts-hd.ma audio, but the player does not display subtitles.

@DoctorM
How did you sort out the subtitle thing? you mean, subtitles with m2ts files?

Btw, subtitle fonts/sizes with mkv files are so small for my eyes. I guess there's no way to improve it.

I try to avoid m2ts. I know it is the 'preferred' format for the Sony, but not for me. m2ts only supports BD Subs which the Sony doesn't recognize outside of a BD disc.
For m2ts files, you need external .srt type subs with the same file name but .srt extension. It'll automatically be turned on and non selectable.

MKV at least makes the subs selectable, supports multiple sub tracks, and can even accept IDX/SUB which is graphic based and isn't so small on the screen as text based subs are.

Any format that doesn't support internal subs (.TS, .M2TS, .AVI, etc.) can have external subtitles in this manner.
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Originally Posted by Chise View Post

You can always change the hometheater receiver.

Is that an offer? PM me and I'll give you my PayPal account.

@wase4711 - I always use MKVToolNix (http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/).

@apw2607 - Sounds like a lot of those things could be a firmware update that they just don't want to give us. Anyone got an email or phone number where we can complain?

EDIT: A correction (as mentioned further down). External subs do not work either.
Edited by DoctorM - 2/19/14 at 8:38pm
post #3412 of 3485
Thanks for the help guys on getting my receiver to show the HD audio info on it's display. I have another question. I know you can adjust many video settings from the Options button, but are those settings available to work o certain discs?
post #3413 of 3485
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Originally Posted by DoctorM View Post

I try to avoid m2ts. I know it is the 'preferred' format for the Sony, but not for me. m2ts only supports BD Subs which the Sony doesn't recognize outside of a BD disc.
For m2ts files, you need external .srt type subs with the same file name but .srt extension. It'll automatically be turned on and non selectable.

MKV at least makes the subs selectable, supports multiple sub tracks, and can even accept IDX/SUB which is graphic based and isn't so small on the screen as text based subs are.

Any format that doesn't support internal subs (.TS, .M2TS, .AVI, etc.) can have external subtitles in this manner.

I've just tried this on my S490 and it does not work.
post #3414 of 3485
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Originally Posted by DoctorM View Post

For m2ts files, you need external .srt type subs with the same file name but .srt extension. It'll automatically be turned on and non selectable.

This does not work for my S790.
Both files have the same name except for the extension with .m2ts and .srt, they are in the same folder but my player does not display the subtitle.
post #3415 of 3485
@beyzade - Hmm. It does for me. Are you using Serviio with the subtitles enabled and the profile set to "Sony BDP-Sx90 (2012)"?

Also, interesting discovery. Playing around with converting BD-SUP to IDX/SUB in a remux the last couple days.
Apparently any resolution works up to 1440x1080, but 1920x1080 will NOT work. What a crappy limitation.
If you use a smaller resolution they'll appear higher on the screen and to the left (of course). The sub resolution must match the video resolution.

Ugh.
post #3416 of 3485
My setup is;
Usb hdd > S790 > av receiver > tv
I'm not using serviio.
post #3417 of 3485
Ah, you aren't using DLNA... not that that is the problem.
I was thinking after responding that something DID sound wrong, and checked my settings.

While I was playing around with testing the last few days I accidentally enabled burning in of subtitles.
You are correct, the S790 does NOT support external subtitles.
MKV is the best format. If your video is mpeg2, then you are indeed out of luck with subtitles (unless you author it to DVD).
post #3418 of 3485

hi, i have never done this before ,but ,just cannot get an answer from "the pros"!!! maybe ,someone in cyberworld will read this an d have a solution .I have a sony bdp-s790 blue ray 3-d player connected to a pioneer elite vsx74txvi receiver and a sony bravia xbr65hx950 tv .from the back of the blu -ray i have a hdmi connected to hdmi in the tv and one hdmi to the hdmi receiver .when i place in a blu ray or regular dvd ,the sound comes through the receiver and the picture is outstanding through the tv ....but ,i finally played my first 3-d bluray ..here is the fun part .there was no audio through the receiver ,the 3-d started then the tv went into standby with no picture and the red light blinking ..unplugged and turned back on tv ,put in another non 3-d bluray and it worked,went back to 3-d and same thing happened .checked my hdmi cables and they are "3-d"ready ,checked software update on tv and bdp ,all up to date ..did not try an optical cable to receiver yet ...more concerned with no video and tv powering down .....it was "the life of pi "dvd and the "ice age "3-d ....any solutions will be appreciated ...thank you

post #3419 of 3485
Hi, just picked up an S790 and tested it out last night. I updated the firmware and played a few disks, but twice when I played blu-ray then changed to a CD the player hung. All lights on the player flashed and the only way to recover was to unplug the player.

I've tried an SACD disc, didn't have the problem. All audio is being sent over HDMI, no analog out. I have also successfully moved from blu-ray to audio cd with no problems once. So a 66% fail rate at this point.

Any ideas what's causing this?
Thanks
post #3420 of 3485
You both should inspect the problematic discs for physical damage.

For best playback of 3D, though, make sure you're using certified High Speed HDMI cables. Standard Speed cables that are relatively short (6' or less) sometimes will work for 1080p, but 3D requires a significantly higher bitrate.
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