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post #361 of 3485
Great, I did a software per the players notification and now I have a paper weight. Will not respond to anything or power on even after unplugging for a couple of minutes.
post #362 of 3485
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post

Have you been able to tell any difference between sending the Sony1000 projector an upconverted 4K source from the 790, or sending 1080p from the 790 and letting the pj do the upconversion to 4K?

Sorry Dr. Miller but it is not easily compared. I really can't say I see any difference for 1080P feed or 4K feed and this is only a little easier to compare than separate players. I don't understand how joerod is able to say one player has a better picture than the other. He must have a much better memory for video than I do.

If I wanted to compare a blu-ray disc I would have to hook up my Panasonic player(one hdmi to my Sony and other hdmi to my D2 for audio), insert the disc and wait for it to load, then fast forward through any previews, start the movie and find the passage I want to compare. After watching the passage I would remove the disc, then I would have to hook up the Sony in a similar manner and load the disc and find the passage again. Since the blu-ray looks excellent on both players it is hard to remember exactly how one looks better than the other.
post #363 of 3485
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Originally Posted by drhankz View Post


DOES video unlimited 3D work for you?

I get NO AUDIO - I do get 3D Video.

FYI - I am using Audio #2 out for Audio. My AVR does not support 3D.

I don't have 3d or am not using the two hdmi outputs . Hopefully another member can verify for you.
post #364 of 3485
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Originally Posted by KRGM1 View Post

Sorry Dr. Miller but it is not easily compared. I really can't say I see any difference for 1080P feed or 4K feed and this is only a little easier to compare than separate players. I don't understand how joerod is able to say one player has a better picture than the other. He must have a much better memory for video than I do.

If I wanted to compare a blu-ray disc I would have to hook up my Panasonic player(one hdmi to my Sony and other hdmi to my D2 for audio), insert the disc and wait for it to load, then fast forward through any previews, start the movie and find the passage I want to compare. After watching the passage I would remove the disc, then I would have to hook up the Sony in a similar manner and load the disc and find the passage again. Since the blu-ray looks excellent on both players it is hard to remember exactly how one looks better than the other.

Thanks much for the reply! I do sympathize with trying to make such comparisons, and my guess is that it would be hard to see any diff.

But I guess I don't understand why it would be necessary to use your Panasonic BD player. Can't you choose on the 790 to output 1080p or 4K (upconverted from the 1080p BD disk)? I'm just curious as to whether one can tell any diff from the 790 sending 1080p to the Sony VW1000--and having it upconvert it to 1080p--or sending 4K (upconverted from 1080p) from the 790. I.e., does the 790 or the VW1000 do a better job of upconverting 1080p to 4K. (Again, I'll bet it will be hard to tell!)
post #365 of 3485
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Originally Posted by gpmbc View Post

Great, I did a software per the players notification and now I have a paper weight. Will not respond to anything or power on even after unplugging for a couple of minutes.

Hopefully you can get a hold of Sony and do a reset to get the unit going again. Has anyone else updated their players or is there a reset procedure in the owners manual?
Let us know how you makeout...
post #366 of 3485
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

Yet you are over here telling us this?

Friendly poster here! I try to keep my ear to the ground on whats new. I personally believe the market is due to be shaken up by whats considered by some to be entry level gear, having said that, info is vital and is one of the reasons we come to sites like AVSF for info not found among the general public. The new Sony is no less than what I would expect after Oppo raised the bar on both ends of what to expect for our hard earned dollars. I'm sure the streaming is great among other things it does well! Oppo's players appear in multiple forums of various features and topics from 2ch or multi-ch,sacd, usb,bluray,flac hi-rez files redbook, netflix and just about any format you can name more so than any other player on the market. Keep in mind, the Oppo was compared with the Sony here first by yourself and many others( I count one guy in the OPPO forum to mention the Sony) because of it being the standard to which all others or judged and you guys couldn't have choosen better
post #367 of 3485
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

As you can tell that after your posted on PQ, I consider it pointless to reply. This will be my final replied to you. It will difficult to discuss PQ with you.

For me, the price and performance are what made me posted. This is a hobby for me, so I can call it as I have seen it. FYI, some of my posts in the Oppo's thread have been deleted anyway for posting technical facts about the Oppo.

Oppo vs. spending less for same blu ray PQ, performance?, SACD, playback blu?, better streaming...... Why spend extra? "build quality"

All about the enjoyment in the end!
post #368 of 3485
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

I don't have 3d or am not using the two hdmi outputs . Hopefully another member can verify for you.

I plan on calling SONY TODAY - I find it hard to believe they didn't
TRY this. It seems like a Brain Dead Mistake.
post #369 of 3485
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Originally Posted by bakerwi View Post

You can also get it from J&R or ABT. I purchased from ABT and received it in 4 business days (Illinois to Georgia).

I'm waiting on Amazon.
post #370 of 3485
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Originally Posted by KRGM1 View Post

Sorry Dr. Miller but it is not easily compared. I really can't say I see any difference for 1080P feed or 4K feed and this is only a little easier to compare than separate players. I don't understand how joerod is able to say one player has a better picture than the other. He must have a much better memory for video than I do.

If I wanted to compare a blu-ray disc I would have to hook up my Panasonic player(one hdmi to my Sony and other hdmi to my D2 for audio), insert the disc and wait for it to load, then fast forward through any previews, start the movie and find the passage I want to compare. After watching the passage I would remove the disc, then I would have to hook up the Sony in a similar manner and load the disc and find the passage again. Since the blu-ray looks excellent on both players it is hard to remember exactly how one looks better than the other.

I can run both at the same time. That's how I do comparisons. I have for year's now...
And I did one this weekend with a room of guests and they all agreed the 790 was superior. The verdict was overwhelming with 3D but still with 2D (though not as strong).
post #371 of 3485
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

Friendly poster here! I try to keep my ear to the ground on whats new. I personally believe the market is due to be shaken up by whats considered by some to be entry level gear, having said that, info is vital and is one of the reasons we come to sites like AVSF for info not found among the general public. The new Sony is no less than what I would expect after Oppo raised the bar on both ends of what to expect for our hard earned dollars. I'm sure the streaming is great among other things it does well! Oppo's players appear in multiple forums of various features and topics from 2ch or multi-ch,sacd, usb,bluray,flac hi-rez files redbook, netflix and just about any format you can name more so than any other player on the market. Keep in mind, the Oppo was compared with the Sony here first by yourself and many others( I count one guy in the OPPO forum to mention the Sony) because of it being the standard to which all others or judged and you guys couldn't have choosen better

Actually the Pionner 09FD, Denon DVD A1, Sony 5000ES and a couple others were the first elite players. Oppo changed the game for them. Now Sony is changing the game for oppo and the rest. Full circle...
post #372 of 3485
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

I can run both at the same time. That's how I do comparisons. I have for year's now...
And I did one this weekend with a room of guests and they all agreed the 790 was superior. The verdict was overwhelming with 3D but still with 2D (though not as strong).

I'm mostly interested in 2D Blu-ray. I enjoyed your review and your review was the main reason I purchased the 790. I don't regret the purchase as I have another location where I wanted a streaming player with the Vudu app and the Sony is a very nice player. I just don't see it being any better than my Panasonic 310 for this purpose.

When you compare Blu-ray discs could you be a bit more specific as to how you actually do this? Are you using 2 identical discs and have the players connected to HDMI 1 & 2 of your Sony projector?
post #373 of 3485
As someone largely interested in the SD upscaling side of things, is this the player to beat in this price range? Though I've moved to buying BD, I have a large DVD collection and SD video on a DLNA server that I would like to get the best viewing experience from.

I've used the PS3 in the past and, flipping through the manual, notice quite a few similarities in the picture settings. How does the the S790 compare to the PS3 in terms of DVD upscaling? Better? Same?...worse?

Thanks!
post #374 of 3485
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Originally Posted by tmeader View Post

Yeah, and this is the reason I'll likely be replacing the Oppo with the 790. I REALLY want to try out the streaming capabilities first though, just to make sure that the 790 will support everything I'm looking for (and is at least almost comparable to the PS3... which it sounds like it is).

To that end, I'm tempted to "try out" the 390 from Target briefly. It is my understanding that the streaming services are essentially identical between the x90 series... is that correct?

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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

Yes, they are the same, however there is one difference between the S390/S590 and the S790.

The S790 includes IP Noise Reduction Pro. The S390/590 includes IP Noise Reduction

The difference is IP NR Pro includes 6 different settings. Video 3,2,1 and Film 3, 2, 1

IP NR includes just 3 settings, 1,2,3

I've found the S790 Film 2 mode (default), improved over what is offered on the S390/S590 "2" mode. Pic seemed to just look overall better ... better colors, blacks, etc.

I am wondering if the Film 2 is just better setting for how your display is currently calibrated. I would think Noise Reduction would improve clarity but not necessarily colors and blacks. Did you calibrate your display settings for the S390/S590 and do the same for the S790 when evaluating the colors, blacks?
post #375 of 3485
Can someone test if the 790 can play big MKV files from a network drive w/Samba sharing as some other players do?
I would like to get rid of the WD TV Live (which is a great player) and avoid DLNA.
post #376 of 3485
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

Oh and for he record I have received about 30 emails/PMs from others asking about the oppo versus the 790...

Why haven't I got any emails/PMs? I own both units. Just kidding all. Please don't email or PM me.
post #377 of 3485
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Originally Posted by drhankz View Post

I plan on calling SONY TODAY - I find it hard to believe they didn't
TRY this. It seems like a Brain Dead Mistake.

Perhaps joerod can verify this for you. I believe he's got 3d and using the two hdmi outputs. Joerod?
post #378 of 3485
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Originally Posted by keagy View Post

I am wondering if the Film 2 is just better setting for how your display is currently calibrated. I would think Noise Reduction would improve clarity but not necessarily colors and blacks. Did you calibrate your display settings for the S390/S590 and do the same for the S790 when evaluating the colors, blacks?

No I did no special display calibration for these players.
post #379 of 3485
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

Perhaps joerod can verify this for you. I believe he's got 3d and using the two hdmi outputs. Joerod?

3D - Blu-Ray is fine.

3D - Streaming is BROKEN.

I reported it to sony. It took forever to get a 2nd Level Tech.

I asked Joe to check it.
post #380 of 3485
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Originally Posted by rodelius View Post

Can someone test if the 790 can play big MKV files from a network drive w/Samba sharing as some other players do?
I would like to get rid of the WD TV Live (which is a great player) and avoid DLNA.

Not supported. Haven't we covered this before? The Sony players cannot see network drives regardless of the file system used. If you are looking for this, try the new 2012 Panasonic players.

They can only see directories and files via DLNA, or direct USB connection (NTFS & FAT32)

And since we're on the subject. "Big MKV" files can mean anything. You need to be more specific with your question. MKV is merely a container.

The Sony players will play back AVC Mpeg 4 natively. VC-1 is not supported natively.
post #381 of 3485
has anyone tried the 2d to 3d conversion option on this unit?
post #382 of 3485
Have they started selling the 790s yet? If so, where do you buy them from? Crutchfield, BestBuy nor H.H. Gregg had them for sale.

If they are not for sale, when do you think they might go on sale?

Thanks!
post #383 of 3485
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Originally Posted by KillerBox View Post

Have they started selling the 790s yet? If so, where do you buy them from? Crutchfield, BestBuy nor H.H. Gregg had them for sale.

If they are not for sale, when do you think they might go on sale?

Thanks!

I got mine next day from J&R - Also ABT has them as does Sony Style.
post #384 of 3485
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Originally Posted by drhankz View Post

I got mine next day from J&R - Also ABT has them as does Sony Style.

... and Sony Rewards has them for $224.99 (with a Sony Visa Card). Sony rewards generally ships them out in 5 days, but you do get 2 day free shipping with UPS.
post #385 of 3485
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

Not supported. Haven't we covered this before? The Sony players cannot see network drives regardless of the file system used. If you are looking for this, try the new 2012 Panasonic players.

They can only see directories and files via DLNA, or direct USB connection (NTFS & FAT32)

And since we're on the subject. "Big MKV" files can mean anything. You need to be more specific with your question. MKV is merely a container.

The Sony players will play back AVC Mpeg 4 natively. VC-1 is not supported natively.

I recently returned a Panasonic DMP-BDP310 -which is not a 2012 model- that promised to play all kind of files both via DLNA and from a network drive, but it did not deliver. I have really tried to make it work with no luck.
Some files can be played using DLNA but any MKV file bigger than a few MB gets stuck after a few seconds, no matter the codec was used.
By the way, every file that the DMP-BDP310 refused to play, played fine on my WD TV Live, both via DLNA and SMB. SMB is way faster in my experience and takes much less CPU than DLNA, so I am just trying to stay away from it, as performance strongly depends on the server and transcoding.

Will the 2012 Panasonics be better in this respect? I do not really care, as I need a player with 2 HDMi outputs.

Thanks for your reply. You really helped me to take the Sony out of my list.

R
post #386 of 3485
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Originally Posted by rodelius View Post


Will the 2012 Panasonics be better in this respect? I do not really care, as I need a player with 2 HDMi outputs.

R

I would post your question in the appropriate Panasonic thread.
post #387 of 3485
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Originally Posted by rodelius View Post

I need a player with 2 HDMi outputs.

The Only 2012 Panasonic with Dual HDMI is the DMP-BDT500.

It is way more money and should be released in MAY.
post #388 of 3485
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Originally Posted by keagy View Post

I am wondering if the Film 2 is just better setting for how your display is currently calibrated. I would think Noise Reduction would improve clarity but not necessarily colors and blacks. Did you calibrate your display settings for the S390/S590 and do the same for the S790 when evaluating the colors, blacks?

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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

No I did no special display calibration for these players.

If you get a chance to make this comparison after calibration would be awesome since you have all three models. It may be that after calibration all the x90 players produce the same 1080P/streaming picture quality, or it may be that the S790 is always better. Your findings would help people decide which player they want to get.
post #389 of 3485
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Originally Posted by keagy View Post

If you get a chance to make this comparison after calibration would be awesome since you have all three models. It may be that after calibration all the x90 players produce the same 1080P/streaming picture quality, or it may be that the S790 is always better. Your findings would help people decide which player they want to get.

I would however the S390 and S590 has now being returned (and actually so has the S790) .... so I have nothing currently !

Had a couple of issues with the S790, which I described in this thread, and will get a replacement tomorrow. Nothing earth shattering and if anything I think it wasn't a hardware issue anyway, more firmware. That said, I thought its best to be on the safe side ... and could help other later too.

As far as a comparison, I had the S590 and S790 for a short period where I attempted to make some comparisons between the two, which I described. They are subtle indeed so I wouldn't necessarily read too much into it. I would weigh up some of the other features of the S790 v s590 and decide if the extra ~$100 is worth it to you.

Another point is, that the IP Noise reduction Pro setting only applies when the Sony internet content playback engine is used. So applies to most content other than Netflix and VUDU, where they use their own engines. So if Netflix and VUDU is all you use, this setting wouldn't even come into play. Worth noting, and something I realize I didn't make clear earlier.
post #390 of 3485
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Originally Posted by KRGM1 View Post


When you compare Blu-ray discs could you be a bit more specific as to how you actually do this? Are you using 2 identical discs and have the players connected to HDMI 1 & 2 of your Sony projector?

Yes and yes. I have two discs playing at the same time. I also use test patterns. More importantly other people sometimes get an A/B comparison.
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