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post #841 of 3486
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Originally Posted by Rich86 View Post

You and I have discussed this before, and I understand and respect what you are saying. However, it still remains that my Sony players continue to run on the most recent firmware updates for these models from Sony which date back to between February and May of 2011 - with absolutely no playback glitches since (or before, for that matter) - and I have many hundreds of BDs. But maybe the kinds of copy prevention paranoia driven changes to discs requiring firmware updates do not apply to my selected titles. I don't do 3D, and any occasional streaming is handled by my TV (also a Sony). If a particularly problematic title comes to mind that made the Oppo gag recently, I'd be happy to test it on my S1000ES just for fun, if I have it.

Out of the year of owning my Oppo 95 the only disc period of any kind to make it hiccup! but still played was "Hugo" I receive on average 2 new releases a week and this was the only major release to my knowledge that needed an update. The cool thing about Oppo's updates I get more features and come out with a better player. Bottom line there service is second to none and have garnered my highest respect. Kudos out to Anthem and Parasound as well

P.S odds are by the time you place the disc in the player, Oppo has already responded with a fix
post #842 of 3486
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Originally Posted by Rich86 View Post

Networking & BD-Live is always left activated in our home theater - and I play my original BD's directly in the player - no servers being used.

For us it's just a personal choice.
post #843 of 3486
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Originally Posted by Hi_Def_Boss View Post

It seems you are getting a bit defensive, but ultimately you should at least acknowledge what your settings are on the 790 so people can try to replicate what you are seeing.

I published them awhile back. Of course different displays will have varying results. So far I have received quite few emails from folks telling me they like them. Some used them as a starting point for their display. I am just going by what I like with my 1000ES 4K projector and by no means I am saying they are the end all be all.
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Originally Posted by Raistlin_HT View Post

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What's Super Bit Mapping?
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post #846 of 3486
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Originally Posted by smartwater View Post

Does anyone know how the Sony BDP-S790 compares to the Oppo-93 in terms of blu-ray video playback picture and blu-ray sound quality? I currently own the Sony BDP-S780 and am thinking of picking up a S790.

I was able to see a difference between the two, although I'm sure people will say that's crazy. Using both players in Direct mode with all video options off, I felt that the S790 produced a slightly more detailed, three-dimensional image than the BDP-93. Noticeable enough for me to return the Oppo and keep the Sony. At then end of the day they are both superb BD players. The build quality, audio capabilities, and customer service of the Oppo are second to none if those things are important to you. You also have region-free options with the Oppo that (so far) are not available for the S790. The Sony offers (IMO) slightly better HD video output and MUCH better streaming support than the Oppo for 1/2 the price. It's all a matter of what's important to you, but you can't go wrong with either player as far as I'm concerned.
post #847 of 3486
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

I published them awhile back. Of course different displays will have varying results. So far I have received quite few emails from folks telling me they like them. Some used them as a starting point for their display. I am just going by what I like with my 1000ES 4K projector and by no means I am saying they are the end all be all.

Joe,

When are you going to review the panasonic dmpbt500.
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Purchased Sony S790 yesterday and tested the Blu ray, DVD picture quality and sound quality against the Panasonic BDT220, LG 620C and the Samsung BD D6500.

The results are for BD quality, Sony S790 andf LG 620C are the same at the top and right below are the Samsung and then the Panasonic. All four give similar Excellent BD pictures with tiny differences between them.

For DVD upconversion I give it to the Panasonic BDT220 and Sony S790, right below them are the Samsung and then LG.

BD movies included Star Wars 3, Total Recall, Dr. No, Mamma Mia, Dark Knight and Forbidden Planet.
DVD movies/tv shows included Wild wild west, CSI NY and Wind Talkers.

All give excellent BD picture and sound, DVD upconversion goes clearly to Sony and Panasonic.

The weakest sound is the LG, the best is the Sony and Panasonic.

I will keep the Sony S790 as my main Blu Ray only player.
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Originally Posted by HDPERSON View Post

Purchased Sony S790 yesterday and tested the Blu ray, DVD picture quality and sound quality against the Panasonic BDT220, LG 620C and the Samsung BD D6500.

The results are for BD quality, Sony S790 andf LG 620C are the same at the top and right below are the Samsung and then the Panasonic. All four give similar Excellent BD pictures with tiny differences between them.

For DVD upconversion I give it to the Panasonic BDT220 and Sony S790, right below them are the Samsung and then LG.

BD movies included Star Wars 3, Total Recall, Dr. No, Mamma Mia, Dark Knight and Forbidden Planet.
DVD movies/tv shows included Wild wild west, CSI NY and Wind Talkers.

All give excellent BD picture and sound, DVD upconversion goes clearly to Sony and Panasonic.

The weakest sound is the LG, the best is the Sony and Panasonic.

I will keep the Sony S790 as my main Blu Ray only player.

Oh dear .... Have you any idea what you've started up again. Ok. Here we go again ;-)
post #850 of 3486
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

Oh dear .... Have you any idea what you've started up again. Ok. Here we go again ;-)

A month ago in the Choose a Player thread, the Samsung had a better picture than the Panasonic, and the x80 Sony models, now it's the same as the Panasonic it seems. With YCbCr the Samsung was perfect, though only 4:4:4 and no 4:2:2, whereas RGB had an average dE of 2.0 or so. It also fails quite a few tests (Noise Reduction didn't work, Mixed Film and Video, CUE issues) on DVD and HD content.

He also does all his testing on the Panasonic players with Advanced Chroma enabled, which causes the HDMI output to be incorrect and reduces dynamic range and will cause it to look different (as in worse) than other players on a calibrated display. It'll fix CUE issues, but also you'll lose 10% of your information since all highlights are clipped. He can prefer it, but using that setting really causes an issue with the player in testing.

That's all objective data in there. Subjectively, maybe he likes the reduced dynamic range since his display is setup incorrectly and otherwise he loses even more highlights, but objectively the Panasonic is configured incorrectly and the output from it is wrong in his testing.

Edit: They also prefer the Dynamic setting for the Samsung, which causes an average dE of 10 across the board, usually higher in the visible range of values, and clips a huge amount of highlights and other information as well as crushing shadow detail. So their personal preference is for an image that is ridiculously over-saturated and with completely blown-out highlights and crushed shadow detail, as that's what Dynamic mode does.
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Originally Posted by Smackrabbit View Post

A month ago in the Choose a Player thread, the Samsung had a better picture than the Panasonic, and the x80 Sony models, now it's the same as the Panasonic it seems. With YCbCr the Samsung was perfect, though only 4:4:4 and no 4:2:2, whereas RGB had an average dE of 2.0 or so. It also fails quite a few tests (Noise Reduction didn't work, Mixed Film and Video, CUE issues) on DVD and HD content.

He also does all his testing on the Panasonic players with Advanced Chroma enabled, which causes the HDMI output to be incorrect and reduces dynamic range and will cause it to look different (as in worse) than other players on a calibrated display. It'll fix CUE issues, but also you'll lose 10% of your information since all highlights are clipped. He can prefer it, but using that setting really causes an issue with the player in testing.

That's all objective data in there. Subjectively, maybe he likes the reduced dynamic range since his display is setup incorrectly and otherwise he loses even more highlights, but objectively the Panasonic is configured incorrectly and the output from it is wrong in his testing.

Edit: They also prefer the Dynamic setting for the Samsung, which causes an average dE of 10 across the board, usually higher in the visible range of values, and clips a huge amount of highlights and other information as well as crushing shadow detail. So their personal preference is for an image that is ridiculously over-saturated and with completely blown-out highlights and crushed shadow detail, as that's what Dynamic mode does.

Chris, when can we expect to see your S590 review on SHT ?
post #852 of 3486
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

For us it's just a personal choice.

Yes - I understand and agree - I was just commenting as it regards being able to play newer titles without requiring a firmware update.

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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

Out of the year of owning my Oppo 95 the only disc period of any kind to make it hiccup! but still played was "Hugo" I receive on average 2 new releases a week and this was the only major release to my knowledge that needed an update. The cool thing about Oppo's updates I get more features and come out with a better player. Bottom line there service is second to none and have garnered my highest respect. Kudos out to Anthem and Parasound as well

P.S odds are by the time you place the disc in the player, Oppo has already responded with a fix

Hugo played day 1 in my Sony S1000ES with it's current February/2011 firmware.
post #853 of 3486
What is this thread coming to -- my firmware can beat up your firmware???
(My creaky, never updated Sherwood BDP-5004 has only hung on one set of BDs so far -- Fringe season 3. It even played the U.S version of The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo -- which required a firmware update of my brand new, heavily discounted Sharp BD-HP35U. Ironically the Sharp player hung just before displaying the FBI anti-piracy notice -- on both the movie BD and the supplements BD. Just to keep this almost on topic, I'll try TGwtDT in my S590 this evening.)

Edited to add: The Sherwood had no problems playing the 2D edition of Hugo. I assume the hangs mentioned above are for the 3D edition, right? That I don't have.
post #854 of 3486
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

What is this thread coming to -- my firmware can beat up your firmware???

No - not really - it was a discussion about customer service and support as it relates to firmware . . frequent and responsive manufacturer firmware updates in response to issues related to new BD titles (Oppo) vs. manufacturers who do not seem to require frequent updates (Sony).
post #855 of 3486
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

I published them awhile back. Of course different displays will have varying results. So far I have received quite few emails from folks telling me they like them. Some used them as a starting point for their display. I am just going by what I like with my 1000ES 4K projector and by no means I am saying they are the end all be all.

Fair enough Joe. I will search the thread for your posting.
post #856 of 3486
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Originally Posted by smartwater View Post

Does anyone know how the Sony BDP-S790 compares to the Oppo-93 in terms of blu-ray video playback picture and blu-ray sound quality? I currently own the Sony BDP-S780 and am thinking of picking up a S790.

I have both, but prefer the the Oppo. I don't have any adjectives to verbalize why I prefer the Oppo other than the picture just looks right. I have a couple of Pioneer Blu-ray Demo Discs (Demo Contents 2008 Summer and Demonstration Disc 2007) that are excellent demo discs. Another good demo is the AIX Records Audio Calibration Disc HD Music Sampler.

There are others that prefer the Sony, but I am still searching for the magic of this Sony player that some are seeing.
post #857 of 3486
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post


Chris, when can we expect to see your S590 review on SHT ?

I think next week. It's in the system and ready. We had an upgrade on the CMS today that is being tweaked at the moment but I hope Monday. I don't pick the schedule though.
post #858 of 3486
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Originally Posted by Rich86 View Post

No - not really - it was a discussion about customer service and support as it relates to firmware . . frequent and responsive manufacturer firmware updates in response to issues related to new BD titles (Oppo) vs. manufacturers who do not seem to require frequent updates (Sony).

My S590 came with incomplete firmware. When I selected DLNA, it generated an error message saying that I needed to update the firmware before it could be used. With the updated firmware (1112.R.0320), DLNA worked, as does playing TGwtDT.
post #859 of 3486
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

My S590 came with incomplete firmware. When I selected DLNA, it generated an error message saying that I needed to update the firmware before it could be used. With the updated firmware (1112.R.0320), DLNA worked, as does playing TGwtDT.

Yep - I recall my very first player (S350) did not support Profile 2 (BD-Live) right out of the box. That capability was also added via the already available firmware update I had to apply + picking up a USB memory stick for the rear connector. Was the 590 already loaded with the cinavia restrictions processing code, or did that come down the line with the firmware update also like they did with the 580?

Edit - I looked it up - apparently the latest firmware update for the 590 IS infected with cinavia . . Sony giveth . . and Sony taketh away . .
post #860 of 3486
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Originally Posted by Dave Vaughn View Post

The other reason people would buy the Oppo is because of its service, which is second to none. When a problem disc comes to light, they usually have a firmware update out in less than 3 days. Can other manufacturer's claim the same?

As for the Sony, I am reviewing it for the magazine but I'm not a liberty to say what I think of it until the review hits newsstands and mailboxes later this summer.

When there is a problem disc, it seems Oppo is always one of the players affected. My Panasonic 210 had maybe 2 updates since it launched, and the Oppo seems to have one constantly related to BD playback. I think I'd rather have the player that requires less updates.

The studios must not use the Oppo to test out their product.
post #861 of 3486
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Originally Posted by Rich86 View Post

Yep - I recall my very first player (S350) did not support Profile 2 (BD-Live) right out of the box. That capability was also added via the already available firmware update I had to apply + picking up a USB memory stick for the rear connector. Was the 590 already loaded with the cinavia restrictions processing code, or did that come down the line with the firmware update also like they did with the 580?

Edit - I looked it up - apparently the latest firmware update for the 590 IS infected with cinavia . . Sony giveth . . and Sony taketh away . .

Yup. And the fine print on the box containing TGwtDT says it has cinavia, too. That's not surprising, though, since it was produced by a Sony studio.
post #862 of 3486
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Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema View Post

When there is a problem disc, it seems Oppo is always one of the players affected. My Panasonic 210 had maybe 2 updates since it launched, and the Oppo seems to have one constantly related to BD playback. I think I'd rather have the player that requires less updates.

The studios must not use the Oppo to test out their product.

I presently own several blu-ray transports including 2 Oppos and I think only once in 4 years of ownership I've had a disc refuse to play on any of the transports I own or have owned and it wasn't the Oppo. I guess due to different viewing habits some of us are in need of a firmware update more so than others and Oppo does respond as quickly as possible. I am still using Oppo's firmware from July 2011 (there have been 4 official firmware updates since that time) because I have not come across a disc that has refused to play. Also, Oppo firmware updates addresses more than just playback issues often adding new features, user requests and performance improvements. They also provide very informative release notes for all their firmware updates.

However, fewer are better but sometimes unavoidable. That is why I maintain 3 transports in my main setup.
post #863 of 3486
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Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema View Post

When there is a problem disc, it seems Oppo is always one of the players affected. My Panasonic 210 had maybe 2 updates since it launched, and the Oppo seems to have one constantly related to BD playback. I think I'd rather have the player that requires less updates.

The studios must not use the Oppo to test out their product.

There are two ways to look at that:

- Oppo pushes out lots of updates, so they must have more issues
- Oppo pushes out updates whenever a problem disc comes out. Panasonic waits until there are a lot of discs with issues to do an update, since doing an update for one isn't worth their time.

I have no idea which is correct, but assuming that having a lot of updates means that one has more or less issues isn't the way to look at it. Most people will never run into issues with their player and we don't know which is correct.
post #864 of 3486
Joe, I think that your review of the BD 500 will be positive. The Sony has more features but I really like the BD 500.
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Here is a video in Dutch of the Sony BDP-S790

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opD7sNMK1YQ
post #866 of 3486
I went to my local store looking for the new S790 but they have not received them yet. They had last year's S780 for $129 which includes two 3D movies as well. I am just wondering whether I will be seeing the difference in quality when it comes the playback and networking abilities... It seemed like a very good deal and the sales person basically said, they should be similar in quality...

I have an Older Blu Ray player which is a little slow, but has worked well.... Running it through a Denon receiver and a Panasonic ST Series plasma TV

I looked at the new Panasonic BDT500 and the LG690 and both of these units looked like they are a little better built. have not seeing the S790 yet.... But wondering if they are better built as well..... I look forward to your opinions and observations...
post #867 of 3486
Netflix, 4k upconversion and 2D-3D conversion (IIRC) are the biggest differences. Netflix stinks on the 780 but is very good on the 790. But that is a very good price for a 780.

Why did you go for the 7xx instead of the 5xx or 3xx? Did you need dual HDMI?
post #868 of 3486
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Originally Posted by Smackrabbit View Post

There are two ways to look at that:

- Oppo pushes out lots of updates, so they must have more issues
- Oppo pushes out updates whenever a problem disc comes out. Panasonic waits until there are a lot of discs with issues to do an update, since doing an update for one isn't worth their time.

I have no idea which is correct, but assuming that having a lot of updates means that one has more or less issues isn't the way to look at it. Most people will never run into issues with their player and we don't know which is correct.

Your analysis fits my experience as a user.

From my reading here at AVS, it seems to me that the folks who are really into things like HDLive, streaming, and other Internet features may have more problems than those who use their HD players for the old fashioned reasons. Our OPPO players (80, 83, 93) have never had a problem playing a disk that wasn't due to disk damage or dirt of one kind or another. I stopped updating the OPPO 93 firmware last September.

The last disk to cause a problem was from Netflix, and it had a giant greasy finger print that our HTPC drive couldn't handle without massive retries. That did take some cleaning.

Our Toshiba HD-A30 has choked on two or three disks, but they may have been defective. I was smart enough to buy the Toshiba about two months before Warner Bros. pulled the plug on HD-DVD.
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I have the following in camp Oppo BDP-93, Sony BDP-S790 and the Panasonic DMP-BDT500. Either the Sony or the Panasonic will reside next to the Oppo in my bedroom unless I can find a compelling reason to keep both, which may not be too hard to do.

I posted these photos on the Panasonic DMP-BDT500 thread also. They are for informational purposes only.

Oppo on the bottom, Panasonic in the middle and Sony on top.
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Originally Posted by chuckg1 View Post

Joe,

When are you going to review the panasonic dmpbt500.

After the Onkyo 818 hits. So soon.
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