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post #781 of 969
5/19/12 at 12:48pm
When you learn an instrument at a high level you have to be able to do certain repertoire that has often been around for hundreds of years. You don't do it by building on low level repertoire. That is what you do vocally as well. Jessica is capable of singing at a very high level as was Joshua. With time you develop your unique style, but even top jazz musicians mainly play licks that have been around for ages. Every now and then they come up with something unique. Every singer on AI has basically done the same thing, so this parrot accusation about Jessica is just uninformed. What is different with each performer is the tone of their voice, the way they look, personality and do on ... . From a vocal ability point of view you have Joshua, Jessica, Elise, Holie, Sklar and so on. All have instruments that can be molded into whatever. PP is weak vocally but has his own pluses in the way he plays the guitar, his voice, type of music he like and maybe he's a good songwriter. Don't know. Can't quite get the hatred for Jessica here. Obviously not everyone agrees with you just as not everyone doesn't agree with my opinion that PP can't sing. He certainly strums well on the guitar but this isn't a guitar competition. In any case even from that perspective he wouldn't be in the same category as Casey James or even Casey the bass player. There are just many fine guitarists around. As I have said before his performance of Volcano, which was very good, is identical to one you can find on You Tube. So let's stop kidding ourselves that you've got major creative jazz types up on stage. They are pop singers and very good ones at that.

Philip
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post #782 of 969
5/20/12 at 8:05am
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When you learn an instrument at a high level you have to be able to do certain repertoire that has often been around for hundreds of years. You don't do it by building on low level repertoire. That is what you do vocally as well. Jessica is capable of singing at a very high level as was Joshua. With time you develop your unique style, but even top jazz musicians mainly play licks that have been around for ages. Every now and then they come up with something unique. Every singer on AI has basically done the same thing, so this parrot accusation about Jessica is just uninformed. What is different with each performer is the tone of their voice, the way they look, personality and do on ... . From a vocal ability point of view you have Joshua, Jessica, Elise, Holie, Sklar and so on. All have instruments that can be molded into whatever. PP is weak vocally but has his own pluses in the way he plays the guitar, his voice, type of music he like and maybe he's a good songwriter. Don't know. Can't quite get the hatred for Jessica here. Obviously not everyone agrees with you just as not everyone doesn't agree with my opinion that PP can't sing. He certainly strums well on the guitar but this isn't a guitar competition. In any case even from that perspective he wouldn't be in the same category as Casey James or even Casey the bass player. There are just many fine guitarists around. As I have said before his performance of Volcano, which was very good, is identical to one you can find on You Tube. So let's stop kidding ourselves that you've got major creative jazz types up on stage. They are pop singers and very good ones at that.

Philip

Well said. An intelligent analysis.

We all have our own tastes, likes and dislikes; there's no way everyone will agree about who deserves to win and who should go home. But the fact that we spend time debating the singers and their performances means that the show still has legs.
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post #783 of 969
5/20/12 at 12:08pm
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When you learn an instrument at a high level you have to be able to do certain repertoire that has often been around for hundreds of years. You don't do it by building on low level repertoire. That is what you do vocally as well. Jessica is capable of singing at a very high level as was Joshua. With time you develop your unique style, but even top jazz musicians mainly play licks that have been around for ages. Every now and then they come up with something unique. Every singer on AI has basically done the same thing, so this parrot accusation about Jessica is just uninformed. What is different with each performer is the tone of their voice, the way they look, personality and do on ... . From a vocal ability point of view you have Joshua, Jessica, Elise, Holie, Sklar and so on. All have instruments that can be molded into whatever. PP is weak vocally but has his own pluses in the way he plays the guitar, his voice, type of music he like and maybe he's a good songwriter. Don't know. Can't quite get the hatred for Jessica here. Obviously not everyone agrees with you just as not everyone doesn't agree with my opinion that PP can't sing. He certainly strums well on the guitar but this isn't a guitar competition. In any case even from that perspective he wouldn't be in the same category as Casey James or even Casey the bass player. There are just many fine guitarists around. As I have said before his performance of Volcano, which was very good, is identical to one you can find on You Tube. So let's stop kidding ourselves that you've got major creative jazz types up on stage. They are pop singers and very good ones at that.

Philip

Woohoo, Casey James shout-out! I don't have many man-crushes but he is one.
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post #784 of 969
5/23/12 at 5:17am
Can't believe I'm the first to comment on last night's performance...

I finally became a Phillip Phillips fan last night. His final song is one that I would buy and put on my iPod. Jessica... not so much.
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post #785 of 969
5/23/12 at 6:28am
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Can't believe I'm the first to comment on last night's performance...

I finally became a Phillip Phillips fan last night. His final song is one that I would buy and put on my iPod. Jessica... not so much.

I think you were the first to comment because of the oh-so exciting nature of last night's show. I mean, really, is that supposed to be entertaining? When Sanchez' feet weren't stuck in cement, her butt was glued to a piano. It was nice of her to prove everyone wrong by not always singing a ballad and displaying a real stage presence. She really progressed a lot in the last 12 weeks, didn't she? She's a singer, not a performer. Which doesn't work so well on a visual medium like television. So boring that I was hoping for her alter ego to show up.

Phillips wasn't much better, but at least he was strumming a guitar-and had the (apparently legitimate) excuse of his physical ailment.

Not much better than last year's horrific final, or the year before that.
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post #786 of 969
5/23/12 at 6:31am
Bad show except for Phillip's last number.
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post #787 of 969
5/23/12 at 6:47am
And tonight's show doesn't look to be much better, if the list of guest performers is any indication.
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post #788 of 969
5/23/12 at 6:53am
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And tonight's show doesn't look to be much better, if the list of guest performers is any indication.

Yes, and twice as long! FF button get ready.
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post #789 of 969
5/23/12 at 6:57am
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Will be kinda glad when this seasons over ..
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post #790 of 969
5/23/12 at 7:52am
Holy crap what a terrible hour of TV with the rare exception of one of the original songs being really good. Loved Phillip's song enough to buy it on iTunes. Really good. Jessica was every bit as boring and bland as she's been all season. She's not a performer, she's just a lump on the stage that sounds emanate from.

The Voice finale was infinitely better than this. Probably due to the fact that they have 4 finalists instead of 2 and on top of that all the judges get in the mix and sang with the finalists.
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post #791 of 969
5/23/12 at 7:55am
I agree, not the most exciting hour of television. I'd definitely pick Phillip any day of the week at this stage of their careers.

It also felt very out of place for me to have the Derulo and Scotty songs last night. It seems to me that the final night of singing should focus on the last two singers, shouldn't it? It would also have felt less rushed if they moved the guest singers to the finale tonight.
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post #792 of 969
5/23/12 at 8:09am
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I agree, not the most exciting hour of television. I'd definitely pick Phillip any day of the week at this stage of their careers.

It also felt very out of place for me to have the Derulo and Scotty songs last night. It seems to me that the final night of singing should focus on the last to singers, shouldn't it? It would also have felt less rushed if they moved the guest singers to the finale tonight.

It's not the first time this season they have had other singers on the performance show. It's a sign that Nigel and whoever don't think that the AI singers have enough to offer to fill a show. And they're right.
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post #793 of 969
5/23/12 at 8:15am
They could have cut out one of the performances and allowed more time for judging comments, not that they're useful.
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post #794 of 969
5/23/12 at 8:23am
Well, Phillips won me over with that last song; I finally see where he fits in with the current music scene. In order for Jessica to sell records (or whatever the kids are calling them these days) her producers are going to have to strip all affectation from her voice so she sounds like all the other girls and she can do the same club/dance productions everyone else is doing. Sorry, no 80's style power ballads allowed.
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post #795 of 969
5/23/12 at 9:03am
Why is it that no matter what song Phillips sings, they all sound the same to me?
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post #796 of 969
5/23/12 at 9:09am
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Why is it that no matter what song Phillips sings, they all sound the same to me?

Because they all sound the same ..
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post #797 of 969
5/23/12 at 9:37am
I think the same can be said for the vast majority of artists.
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post #798 of 969
5/23/12 at 9:48am
Jessica started strong and went downhill with every song, while Phillip did the opposite; his first was forgettable, the second was good and third was better. I'd buy a CD that had the second and third song on it. I think he'll win, and even if he doesn't will likely have a better career track than Jessica.
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post #799 of 969
5/23/12 at 9:49am
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Because they all sound the same ..

This.
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post #800 of 969
5/23/12 at 9:56am
Last nights performances were ok, nothing special, especially from Phillip. I didn't see why his last song was praised here and from the judges. It was decent enough I guess and fits nicely into his "wheelhouse", but meh. Decently pleasant but I wouldn't rush out to buy it. Underwhelming night overall, but Jessica was better throughout. She's got great vocal ability but she has a ways to go and grow to become a truly interesting artist. While not a strictly paint-by-numbers singer in terms of delivering the emotion of a lyric, she needs more leavening in that regard. But she's only 16 so no great surprise there.

Gotta give it up for Phillip though if he has been battling such kidney pain throughout much of the competition. Serious wow, on top of all the other pressure of the Idol process. Impressive stamina and perseverance.

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I guess I don't share Jimmy's love for that Bob Seger cover by Phillip. Far prefer any number of great country artists who have performed that song in a beautiful, melodic but melancholy way.

I agree with many of your postings, including in regard to the weird overly-vitriolic response to Jessica. Disagree with you here. I thought it was very good. Maybe I was overly influenced by the fact that he finally sang a song much more squarely and heartfelt than is his usual approach. And that far off look in his eyes was just dreamy. /temporary man-crush off

And doubly impressive considering it being a Seger song that I could easily go without ever hearing the Seger version again (way overplayed on radio, piped-in store & doctors office music, etc.). Haven't heard any of the country artist cover renditions you referred to. I don't listen to any country, apart from the occasional "alternative" country or a little classic artist country stuff.
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post #801 of 969
5/23/12 at 10:05am
Reading this thread today made me realize all the more how opinions vary. I thought Phillips' (the apostrophy works either place) last song was horrible! His voice had a chalk board quality at the beginning, then it switched up to cheezy Blue Grass, just in time for the marching band. But he nailed the Billy Joel song.

Jessica did an admirable performance on a bad final song. How much input did the kids get? In prior years the coronation song was shoved down their throats, and almost never did well. Most seaons I was thinking "Why are they making the kids sing this crap" during the coronation song.

Jessica was very smart to do "The Prayer" as her choice. Many past finalists perform songs done too recently, so they lose the wow factor. (think McPhee re-singing "Over the Rainbow" or Blake Lewis doing "You Give Love A Bad Name") I thought "The Prayer" was the best song of the night, followed by "Moving Out."
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post #802 of 969
5/23/12 at 10:06am
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It also felt very out of place for me to have the Derulo and Scotty songs last night. It seems to me that the final night of singing should focus on the last to singers, shouldn't it?

I agree. That was pretty low and rather uncreative. The entire production felt out of whack and more like an opening night performance than finale.
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post #803 of 969
5/23/12 at 10:50am
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Last nights performances were ok, nothing special, especially from Phillip. I didn't see why his last song was praised here and from the judges. It was decent enough I guess and fits nicely into his "wheelhouse", but meh. Decently pleasant but I wouldn't rush out to buy it. Underwhelming night overall, but Jessica was better throughout. She's got great vocal ability but she has a ways to go and grow to become a truly interesting artist. While not a strictly paint-by-numbers singer in terms of delivering the emotion of a lyric, she needs more leavening in that regard. But she's only 16 so no great surprise there.

She was on America's Got Talent at age 11 (not to mention Showtime at the Apollo at age 10). It's not like she just had the idea to be a singer a few months ago. So she's had 5 years to figure out who she is as a singer. Unlike many singers on AI, she seemed to make no progress at all on the show as the weeks unfolded-her performance of "I Will Always Love You" was her peak, and she has had nothing new, different, or surprising to offer in the weeks since.
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post #804 of 969
5/23/12 at 10:59am
I liked Philips' last song except for the marching band part .... next thing you know they'll have a group of bagpipe players storming the stage ....
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post #805 of 969
5/23/12 at 11:01am
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I liked Philips' last song except for the marching band part .... next thing you know they'll have a group of bagpipe players storming the stage ....

And Steven would say .. ??
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post #806 of 969
5/23/12 at 11:30am
Phillips last song was so freaking good I want to download the full version, just loved it, watched it 3 times. The other performances, not so much. Jessica sounds like everyone else out there today. Fantastic voice, but that is it. Phillip sounds way more original and someone I could see myself listening to for something different. I hope he wins.
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post #807 of 969
5/23/12 at 11:33am
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I liked Philips' last song except for the marching band part .... next thing you know they'll have a group of bagpipe players storming the stage ....

Shades of Eric Burdon and the Animals' Sky Pilot....
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post #808 of 969
5/23/12 at 11:50am
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And Steven would say .. ??

...Beautiful man, just beautiful.
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post #809 of 969
5/23/12 at 1:08pm
Damn, I hate to say this, but I may buy that single by Phillip^2...

The show did not do any favors for Jessica with the song choices. They were so boring and so predictable. This is a 16 year old girl who does not have full understanding of the instrument that she has. The "adults" around her should have provided her with better guidance.

She will be a fantastic singer, she is not there yet, but she has the instrument to get her there.

Phillip Squared makes it 5 years in a row where the most non-threatening male performer won AI. Girl Power RULZ!!!
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post #810 of 969
5/23/12 at 1:36pm
Phillip isn't anything special on a technical level, but he plays the kind of music I listen to. If the producer's don't ruin him I'd certainly consider getting his album. Jessica has a great voice, there's no denying that, but she's completely uninteresting to me.
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