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I'd like to see the list of people who have turned down multi-million offers from these shows.

 

That's the whole deal.... we know nothing of the inner workings. A while back you ripped them for not signing Katy Perry... well guess what they tried... it's rather obvious this isn't their first rodeo. 

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That's the whole deal.... we know nothing of the inner workings. A while back you ripped them for not signing Katy Perry... well guess what they tried... it's rather obvious this isn't their first rodeo.
It's very easy to guess-there might have been 2 or 3 hugely popular singers who turned Idol down, including Perry and Gaga. They obviously warranted much bigger paydays than the washed up Mariah Carey. I'm talking 30 million+. I actually think at one time they would have taken a lot less, but not now that has-been figures like Mariah Carey and Jennifer Lopez have been given big payouts, the Katy Perrys can and should demand much more. These shows have essentially priced themselves out of the market for the biggest stars at their "peak." If they want them at the "under 20 million figure" they'll have to wait a year or two for their popularity to subside after their latest release flops. I wouldn't have given ANY of their previous selections more than a few million, using the "promotional benefit" argument that they use for the contestants.wink.gif
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They obviously warranted much bigger paydays than the washed up Mariah Carey. I'm talking 30 million+. I actually think at one time they would have taken a lot less, but not now that has-been figures like Mariah Carey and Jennifer Lopez have been given big payouts, the Katy Perrys can and should demand much more.

 

As much as Idol has given a rebirth to some of the judges I'm pretty sure it could do the exact opposite for others. How many little monsters would be upset if Lady Gaga sold out and joined Idol? Reportedly she earned 90 million in 2011... of course she can't/won't do that every year but piss off a few million fans and over your lifetime you drop a few hundred million. Not to mention the fact some simply may not want to do the show for a variety of personal reasons. Sure she might make a guess appearance here and there (smart marketing) but they are a brand and one that hopefully lasts a lifetime.

 

I know zero about street cred although back in my day The Rollings Stones were bad asses (compared to The Beatles). Paul could have gotten away with being a judge... Mick not so much. :)  However he is pretty good on Saturday Night Live. One not so humorous quote from Mick... a local morning radio show (Bob & Tom) was interviewing him years ago and Tom asked if he realizes what it's actually like to live his life... Mick paused a moment and said "Well I never wake up in the morning dreaming I was Tom from Indianapolis."

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Enough money will get most celebrities to do the job .. however, AI apparently does not attract A list folks .. the reported $30 mill Perry turned down .. who knows .. ?? She / her agent / may have never even considered actually joining the show .. it's in AI's best interest to be able to say "We're negotiating with ______ " .. in the eyes of some, that alone gives the perception of a higher class of possibilities ..
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As much as Idol has given a rebirth to some of the judges I'm pretty sure it could do the exact opposite for others. How many little monsters would be upset if Lady Gaga sold out and joined Idol? Reportedly she earned 90 million in 2011... of course she can't/won't do that every year but piss off a few million fans and over your lifetime you drop a few hundred million. Not to mention the fact some simply may not want to do the show for a variety of personal reasons. Sure she might make a guess appearance here and there (smart marketing) but they are a brand and one that hopefully lasts a lifetime.

I know zero about street cred although back in my day The Rollings Stones were bad asses (compared to The Beatles). Paul could have gotten away with being a judge... Mick not so much. smile.gif  However he is pretty good on Saturday Night Live. One not so humorous quote from Mick... a local morning radio show (Bob & Tom) was interviewing him years ago and Tom asked if he realizes what it's actually like to live his life... Mick paused a moment and said "Well I never wake up in the morning dreaming I was Tom from Indianapolis."

Back in your day? The Beatles would've never sold out in the 60's. They never did commercials. They were notorious for refusing to "work with the man."

I'm happy to see Mariah Carey join the judging panel. They finally have a judge that can actually sing. (I love Paula and Jennifer, but they're both great dancers not great singers.)
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Back in your day? The Beatles would've never sold out in the 60's. They never did commercials. They were notorious for refusing to "work with the man."

 

By gotten away with being a judge... I meant their fans wouldn't have burned their albums. Still remained fans... unlike the actions that caused many an album to be burned.

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Back in your day? The Beatles would've never sold out in the 60's. They never did commercials. They were notorious for refusing to "work with the man."
I'm happy to see Mariah Carey join the judging panel. They finally have a judge that can actually sing. (I love Paula and Jennifer, but they're both great dancers not great singers.)

I at 65 and remember that era well .. it was a totally different scenario back then .. it's more an issue of they were never really offered endorsement ads .. as well, although Lennon may have had that "won't work with the man" bit later in his carreer, the fact is, the Beatles as a whole took advantage of every marketing opportunity possible back in those days .. there is an entire history here that can't be summed up in a paragraph ..

As far as the record burning goes, it was a minor part of what had been sold up till then and essentially limited to the Christian far right and a few DJ's that fueled the flame to further their own agendas .. it lasted a short time and doubtful that it effected the fan base any more than releasing "Sgt. Pepper" ..

Like I said earlier, most celebs can be had for a price .. no matter the fame .. doing an Idol gig likely costs the top tier money .. you have to commit to a season at least .. and with what Katy Perry / GaGa etc make on tour, why work for chump change on AI .. ??

Now, if your carreer has been relegated to the Casino circuit, like some, Idol is a paycheck and a shot at a come back ..
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I know zero about street cred although back in my day The Rollings Stones were bad asses (compared to The Beatles). Paul could have gotten away with being a judge... Mick not so much. smile.gif  

Paul wouldn't do it. Mick would. Outside of Keith, the stones being bad boys is just postering, a carefully nurtured image. Mick went to business school. Paul grew up working class in one of englands poorest cities. He learned his chops playing 12 hours a night in the toughest city in the western world. I love the stones music, but the idea of them having more "street creds" than the beatles is laughable.


Just my opinion of course.
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Paul wouldn't do it. Mick would. Outside of Keith, the stones being bad boys is just postering, a carefully nurtured image. Mick went to business school. Paul grew up working class in one of englands poorest cities. He learned his chops playing 12 hours a night in the toughest city in the western world. I love the stones music, but the idea of them having more "street creds" than the beatles is laughable.
Just my opinion of course.

I'd agree for the most part, although Keith has nurtured his bad boy image for years, it's not really based on destroying hotel rooms or that sort of thing .. it's more of the "Last Living Thing on Earth after Apocalypse will be Cockroaches and Keith" ..
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Outside of Keith, the stones being bad boys is just postering, a carefully nurtured image.

 

Exactly, my point. Image wise it would have been much harder for them (him) to be on AI. Once again back in day it was The Monkees, The Beatles and finally The Stones in cool factor. Among the hip smoking (smoking made you hip :)) crowd there was no contest.

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Exactly, my point. Image wise it would have been much harder for them (him) to be on AI. Once again back in day it was The Monkees, The Beatles and finally The Stones in cool factor. Among the hip smoking (smoking made you hip smile.gif) crowd there was no contest.

My remembering had the list in the opposite order .. what they used to call teenyboppers were the only group that thought The Monkeys were cool ..
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My remembering had the list in the opposite order .. what they used to call teenyboppers were the only group that thought The Monkeys were cool ..

 

Yes - the list is in ascending order... not descending. The original point was how the little monsters would be upset if Laga Gaga when AI full time. For a true superstar your image (brand) is pretty much everything. If back in '66 Mick did American Bandstand every week (in my opinion) it would have hurt his image... Paul not so much.


Edited by Charles R - 8/30/12 at 9:57am
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Yes - the list is in ascending order... not descending. The original point was how the little monsters would be upset if Laga Gaga when AI full time. For a true superstar your image (brand) is pretty much everything. If back in '66 Mick did American Bandstand every week (in my opinion) it would have hurt his image... Paul not so much.

Yes .. and as I said, entertainers at the level of GaGa and Perry make substantially more money on tour than AI would ever be able to offer for a season .. the AI paycheck would be a financial reduction .. it has little to do with the fans

.. I seriously doubt whether GaGa would lose fans .. fans want to see as much as they can of the person they are a fan of .. that's why they are called fans ..

And if she wore a chicken suit who knows what that would do for AI's ratings ..

On a side note, nothing to do with the topic at hand .. we're talking about a woman that has a string of endorsement deals as well .. Beats by Dr. Dre etc etc ..
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.. I seriously doubt whether GaGa would lose fans .. fans want to see as much as they can of the person they are a fan of .. that's why they are called fans ..

I disagree... to a large degree they are fans of the image (not the person). As an example actors will often endorse products around the world but not in the US which would pay the most. It would simply hurt their image (beyond the benefit). Plus, you run the risk of exposing who you really are. Really bad example is Michael Bolton. Never been a fan but I have to guess many of the The Dancing with the Stars viewers are/were. Well he can across as such an ........ that I can't help but think he lost a good chunk of them.

 

I think Simon got $35 million his last year so someone even like Lady Gaga wouldn't really be taking a hit. They certainly could work it into their schedule. Endorsements... nothing wrong with them. I think Lady Gaga has a perfume (of late). Once again watch the image... can you imagine what offers they turn down.

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Ga Ga fans are rabid based on her message and how that relates to them ..

Monster Ball Tour grossed in excess of $200 million ..

Bolton's fan base will remain his fan base .. after you pass a certain age, it's not gonna change, regardless

At any rate, disagreement is what makes the world go round .. you have your opinion, I have mine .. they are both opinions ..
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At any rate, disagreement is what makes the world go round .. you have your opinion, I have mine .. they are both opinions ..

 

I agree there are a lot of opinions. I just tend to go along with such articles...

 

Arguably, in order for Gaga to have ever reached this upper echelon in celebrity status, she would have had to be a marketing genius all along. But regardless of who got her to this point, her most important issue now is whether she can stay there. And therein lies the balance between popular musician and smart salesperson. Lady Gaga’s talent (along with a few others) can and will be argued, but if she knows how to market herself, she will have no issues propelling her career further, or at least maintaining it.

 

And so far she seems to be doing a pretty damn good job of it. While other entertainment figures slap their name on the predictable flowery perfume or cosmetics line — Gaga seems to choose her endorsement deals just as wisely as her inimitable outfits. Whether she’s designing them or not, they have so far been boundary-pushing products in the worlds of technology and fashion, exactly the same image she has been trying to portray for the past two years. This is precisely why it is working for her. Because her collaborations align with the image she is trying to sell of herself.

 

http://marketingelementsblog.com/2011/01/lady-gaga-from-monster-musician-to-marketeer/

 

However it's not an opinion that this is way off topic and as such that's that for me.

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On the upside, The Voice starts soon. Unfortunately so does X Factor. I'm hoping X Factor isn't as awful as the promos would indicate.
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I agree there are a lot of opinions. I just tend to go along with such articles...

Arguably, in order for Gaga to have ever reached this upper echelon in celebrity status, she would have had to be a marketing genius all along. But regardless of who got her to this point, her most important issue now is whether she can stay there. And therein lies the balance between popular musician and smart salesperson. Lady Gaga’s talent (along with a few others) can and will be argued, but if she knows how to market herself, she will have no issues propelling her career further, or at least maintaining it.

And so far she seems to be doing a pretty damn good job of it. While other entertainment figures slap their name on the predictable flowery perfume or cosmetics line — Gaga seems to choose her endorsement deals just as wisely as her inimitable outfits. Whether she’s designing them or not, they have so far been boundary-pushing products in the worlds of technology and fashion, exactly the same image she has been trying to portray for the past two years. This is precisely why it is working for her. Because her collaborations align with the image she is trying to sell of herself.

http://marketingelementsblog.com/2011/01/lady-gaga-from-monster-musician-to-marketeer/

However it's not an opinion that this is way off topic and as such that's that for me.

You are right on that .. this article has nothing to do with anything ..
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The thing that bothers me, and has been (and will continue to be) to the detriment of the show, is the obsession with industry celebs as judges. When the show began, the only household name on the panel was Paula (and her's was a name not mentioned in many household at the time). Yet it worked largely because of the chemistry between those judges, and in due course Simon BECAME a household name. Now, maybe the producers feel that they can no longer build that chemistry and celebrity, that a show of this stature needs 'stars' of equal stature to sit on the panel. I would argue that a show of this statue would have the ability to create that great chemistry with lesser known people because of their loyal and substantial audience will give that time to develop.

I guess it's same as a pro sports team getting a well-known washed-up player on their roster to 'put fannies in the seats'. And it's just as wrong headed.
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I'd agree for the most part, although Keith has nurtured his bad boy image for years, it's not really based on destroying hotel rooms or that sort of thing .. it's more of the "Last Living Thing on Earth after Apocalypse will be Cockroaches and Keith" ..

Richards was doing OK with the "bad boy" image thing until he met the real thing filming with Chuck Berry on a gig and the film shows Berry tell Richards to shut-up & play the notes and Richards meekly submits. Image dead.
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Fox Confirms Nicki Minaj, Keith Urban as 'Idol' Judges

Randy Jackson to remain on panel for 12th season alongside Mariah Carey

By Andrea Morabito -- Broadcasting & Cable, 9/16/2012 10:15:00 AM

Rapper Nicki Minaj and county star Keith Urban will join American Idol as judges for the Fox reality stalwart's upcoming 12th season, the network confirmed Sunday, rounding out a revamped panel that includes the previously announced Mariah Carey.

Randy Jackson, who has been a judge since the series' inception will also remain on the now four-person panel, after previous speculation that he might transition to a mentor role. Jackson is Carey's co-manager, and was said to be instrumental in getting her on Idol.

The new judges replace Steven Tyler and Jennifer Lopez, who announced their departure from Idol this summer after two seasons on the show. The panel will appear for the first time on Sunday in New York City for the first day of Idol auditions.

"With an unparalleled star like Mariah, fan-favorite Randy, chart-toppers like Nicki and Keith and our incomparable host Ryan, we've put together one of the most exciting judging panels around," said Mike Darnell, Fox's president of alternative entertainment in a statement.

The judging changes come as Idol declined about 25% in the ratings last season faced with a glut of competition from NBC's The Voice and Fox's own X Factor and caused executives to look for ways to reinvigorate the franchise, which last year was passed as the top-rated show on television by NBC's Sunday Night Football.

"Although we finished show at top once again... our ratings were down. Not being the only game in town now, we need to keep things fresh," said Fox president Kevin Reilly said at the TCA press tour in July.

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/489324-Fox_Confirms_Nicki_Minaj_Keith_Urban_as_Idol_Judges.php
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Everyone's attempting to get the magic that The Voice has. X Factor tried and failed, and I'm guessing this will fail too, but I'll check out the first couple of weeks to see if they have great chemistry together. Feels more desperate than hiring Britney Spears though. Nicki doesn't even sing and Idol doesn't represent the rap genre, or focus on performance. What a lame choice there. Keith Urban is their version of Blake Shelton, except without the personality and charisma. Mariah is Christina, but again without the charisma. Lord knows she can sing though. It's just in interviews that she comes off as a lunkheaded dunce. Keeping Randy and going back to a 4 person judging table is just sad. Do they not remember how awful the show was when they went to 4 person judging in the past?
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Everyone's attempting to get the magic that The Voice has. X Factor tried and failed, and I'm guessing this will fail too, but I'll check out the first couple of weeks to see if they have great chemistry together. Feels more desperate than hiring Britney Spears though. Nicki doesn't even sing and Idol doesn't represent the rap genre, or focus on performance. What a lame choice there. Keith Urban is their version of Blake Shelton, except without the personality and charisma. Mariah is Christina, but again without the charisma. Lord knows she can sing though. It's just in interviews that she comes off as a lunkheaded dunce. Keeping Randy and going back to a 4 person judging table is just sad. Do they not remember how awful the show was when they went to 4 person judging in the past?

Yep, it's quite the complement to the Voice .. what is the saying .. ?? Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery ..
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Everyone's attempting to get the magic that The Voice has. X Factor tried and failed, and I'm guessing this will fail too, but I'll check out the first couple of weeks to see if they have great chemistry together. Feels more desperate than hiring Britney Spears though. Nicki doesn't even sing and Idol doesn't represent the rap genre, or focus on performance. What a lame choice there. Keith Urban is their version of Blake Shelton, except without the personality and charisma. Mariah is Christina, but again without the charisma. Lord knows she can sing though. It's just in interviews that she comes off as a lunkheaded dunce. Keeping Randy and going back to a 4 person judging table is just sad. Do they not remember how awful the show was when they went to 4 person judging in the past?
The "magic" of The Voice resulted in a ratings freefall, as people gave up on the show after the blind auditions. The Voice has nothing to do with this, except maybe for the Urban choice, though that was obviously a Nigel decision. The producers of Idol (and X Factor) have the misguided notion that starpower is needed to attract an audience for these shows, with little regard to the quality of the "judging." One reason why they might be going back to 4 judges is that they have a lot of time to kill in those 2 hour episodes. Filler, filler, filler. Yeah, that'll help the show.
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The "magic" of The Voice resulted in a ratings freefall, as people gave up on the show after the blind auditions. The Voice has nothing to do with this, except maybe for the Urban choice, though that was obviously a Nigel decision. The producers of Idol (and X Factor) have the misguided notion that starpower is needed to attract an audience for these shows, with little regard to the quality of the "judging." One reason why they might be going back to 4 judges is that they have a lot of time to kill in those 2 hour episodes. Filler, filler, filler. Yeah, that'll help the show.

LOL ratings freefall. It was a huge success for NBC. Huge. And their formula is so popular that Idol and X Factor scrambled to match it. Idol is dead creatively. Adding Urban (yawn) and Nicki (LOL), while keeping Randy (LOL again) isn't going to slow their fall.
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LOL ratings freefall. It was a huge success for NBC. Huge. And their formula is so popular that Idol and X Factor scrambled to match it. Idol is dead creatively. Adding Urban (yawn) and Nicki (LOL), while keeping Randy (LOL again) isn't going to slow their fall.
The ratings freefall is why The Voice is making changes this season. And ratings will continue to fall for all 3 shows, as people tire of this overexposed format.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/reality-bites-x-factor-america-talent-voice-ratings-article-1.1161364
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They're making changes to the one portion of the show that reviewers and fans of the show alike have voiced their displeasure with. That's great of them. What has Idol's producers done to fix the many issues people have with that show? Nothing. They're apparently fine with women not having a chance to win anymore. They're fine with judges not judging. I like the singing shows in theory, but not when the shows themselves are bad. X Factor is just atrocious. Idol used to be fun but their goal of being able to claim millions of votes each week has led to a situation where everyone knows who will win and who won't. Only The Voice has a format that's still palatable to me, so I'll enjoy it as long as it exists or until they also destroy the show with stupid ploys. The biggest thing working in Idol's favor is that they're not as bad as X Factor.
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The ratings freefall is why The Voice is making changes this season. And ratings will continue to fall for all 3 shows, as people tire of this overexposed format.
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/reality-bites-x-factor-america-talent-voice-ratings-article-1.1161364

Thank you please add this along with all those stupid reality tv shows, I want to go back to pre 2000's tv
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The ratings freefall is why The Voice is making changes this season. And ratings will continue to fall for all 3 shows, as people tire of this overexposed format.
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/reality-bites-x-factor-america-talent-voice-ratings-article-1.1161364

I firmly believe the producers are not intentionally changing the panel .. the switch to a 2 season per year format prompted Xtina and CeeLo to initiate their own break and both have gone on record as coming back to the show .. Blake has flirted with the same ..
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Not sure why judges complain about doing the live shows. On The Voice that equates to two shows a week for about a month. The auditions and battlerounds are all filmed in the span of a day or two.
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