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post #1141 of 7721
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Originally Posted by lockdown571 View Post

Is there some way to still get into the beta for the remote software? I applied right when the beta opened and never got in. I have an android phone and tablet.

I was wondering that too. I have a Galaxy Nexus, Nexus 7, and an Nexus S that the app would be pretty useful on.

Hopefully they release it soon, or at least extend the beta to their participants of their Echo beta.
post #1142 of 7721
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Originally Posted by lockdown571 View Post

If you read the description at the top it says the beta is private, and the desktop software needed to use the companion app requires a key to install.
Oh I'm sorry man. I don't remember I don't think that's actually true. Just looked again at the guide on the ceton forum and it mentions nothing of a key. I never got one in the email either. It does say the app expires after a while. I'm going to PM you.
post #1143 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Diverge View Post

I was wondering that too. I have a Galaxy Nexus, Nexus 7, and an Nexus S that the app would be pretty useful on.
Hopefully they release it soon, or at least extend the beta to their participants of their Echo beta.

I thought these apps were supposed to release towards the end of August? At least, that's what I thought I heard/read from Motz.
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That's good news... Just in time for the Echo beta.
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I just came across this earlier today. It seems great, and I'm sizing this up as a possible alternative to a full HTPC. But I'd like to know a few things:

What are the real hardware specs? I'm assuming it's Atom, Celeron, or E-series APU without a dedicated GPU (and if so my next question isn't really needed, but hey).
Can you access Windows outside of WMC (which is obviously what the software's backbone is)?
Can you access the internet, not just including "Internet TV" sites like Youtube, Hulu, and Netflix?
Will a Unified Search software add-on to WMC be an option to buy separately? That's a feature that really sticks out to me (though for all I know there might be 1000 free add-ons), but it might be nice to have a fully fledged HTPC instead of the Q.
Will extenders will be available with disk drives? Early in the thread it appeared that that would be the case, but I'm not seeing it on the Ceton site...
What's the expected price? I'd certainly hope it can more-than compete with a 7MC box which can also do basic Steam gaming (running around $450, including a CableCARD tuner).

Can anybody answer these? Sorry if these have been answered previously, but I haven't had time yet to read through the thread. I'll do that now smile.gif
Edited by ImThat1Guy - 8/15/12 at 6:30pm
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Don't know yet. The full spec's haven't been released yet as the product is still in development with a beta program set to start next month.

The Q basically is an out of the box HTPC.

This is the Echo thread and the Echo is a WMC extender and has no tuner itself as that will be in the HTPC or Q. It will have an MSRP of $180.
post #1147 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Don't know yet. The full spec's haven't been released yet as the product is still in development with a beta program set to start next month.
The Q basically is an out of the box HTPC.
This is the Echo thread and the Echo is a WMC extender and has no tuner itself as that will be in the HTPC or Q. It will have an MSRP of $180.
My bad, for some reason I thought this was a unified thread.

Anyways, I guess I can wait until "Holiday 2012".
post #1148 of 7721
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Originally Posted by ImThat1Guy View Post

Anyways, I guess I can wait until "Holiday 2012".
That's just for the Echo - they haven't really announced any release date ballpark for the Q yet.
post #1149 of 7721
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

That's just for the Echo - they haven't really announced any release date ballpark for the Q yet.

Their website says coming in 2012 at least, so holiday 2012 would be last resort I guess.
post #1150 of 7721
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Originally Posted by werd View Post

Their website says coming in 2012 at least, so holiday 2012 would be last resort I guess.
It does, but the wording in their newsletter suggests that 2012 isn't very likely for the Q. There also hasn't been even a hint of a beta for the Q which would need to start pretty soon if they're going to ship it this year (assuming they'll have some sort of beta for it). Erickotz posted "I will likely go to Intel HD4000 graphics in my next HTPC, I am holding out on a re-build for a Q though" yesterday which suggests that even he doesn't have a Q to play with yet. I'll be very surprised if the Q ends up shipping in 2012.
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Does anyone know if Ceton is going to have an off-site presence at CEDIA?
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While off topic, My guess is that Ceton is going to wait and see how well the Echo is recieved before they commit to a dedicated MC box. I think a true extender like what the Echo seems to promise will hieghten MC's attraction.

A dedicated MC box like the Q would have to offer a whole more then what you can do with 7MC and some hacking.
post #1153 of 7721
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Originally Posted by skybolt View Post

While off topic, My guess is that Ceton is going to wait and see how well the Echo is recieved before they commit to a dedicated MC box. I think a true extender like what the Echo seems to promise will hieghten MC's attraction.
A dedicated MC box like the Q would have to offer a whole more then what you can do with 7MC and some hacking.
The Q will be intended for the Tivo crowd that just wants to buy something that's ready to go out of the box without the need to do any configuring beyond entering your zip code for guide data and activating the CableCard. It's not intended for those of us who are comfortable with building our own PC and getting everything up and running on our own. So I think they're committed to shipping it unless they run into some sort of showstopper issue.
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Originally Posted by skybolt View Post

My guess is that Ceton is going to wait and see how well the Echo is recieved before they commit to a dedicated MC box.
i'm pretty sure they are already dedicated to it. i would be extremely surprised if the Q ended up vaporware.
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

The Q will be intended for the Tivo crowd that just wants to buy something that's ready to go out of the box without the need to do any configuring beyond entering your zip code for guide data and activating the CableCard. It's not intended for those of us who are comfortable with building our own PC and getting everything up and running on our own. So I think they're committed to shipping it unless they run into some sort of showstopper issue.

Yeah, I didn't mean to imply they wern't going to build the product. I just think there going to wait a bit to see what comes of the initial Echo roll out. I don't see them releasing a product such as the Q with out support (Echo) for there launch. Perhaps Q1 of 2013? Just speculation.

You make an iteresting point about the Tivo crowd. I forget that's still a thriving venue, that alot of people still like. we will have to see what the Q offers over the standard 7MC hacked box.
Edited by skybolt - 8/16/12 at 10:13am
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Originally Posted by skybolt View Post

Yeah, I didn't mean to imply they wern't going to build the product. I just think there going to wait a bit to see what comes of the initial Echo roll out. I don't see them releasing a product such as the Q with out support (Echo) for there launch. Perhaps Q1 of 2013? Just speculation.
I really don't see the need of the Echo to "support" the Q as the Q would be all that many customers would need. There are lots of potential customers with just 1 TV who wouldn't need any extenders (Echo). Remember, the Q will be fully functional on its own, while the Echo needs a WMC box to connect to (either a Q or a PC running WMC). It would seem more logical to me to release the Q first and the Echo second if they were concerned about needing one to support the other. I suspect the Q is just a bigger task to accomplish.

As for timing, if they don't even have a Q available for someone like Eric yet, I would think no earlier than mid to late Q1 2013. But who knows - if it's just a minor amount of tweaking to the "standard" Windows 7 embedded install, things could move relatively quickly if they're using reasonably common hardware.

What I want to know is when the InfiniTV 6 PCIe tuner will be available for purchase as I'd be very tempted to replace my pair of InfiniTV 4's with 1.
post #1157 of 7721
I don't think the target customer for the q is a cable sub with just one tv. those type of people get their dvrs from the provider.

people with one tv aren't looking for multi-room dvrs. smile.gif

I'm not sure about the tivo crowd, either. ime, nowadays people with tivos are die-hard tivo lovers. I don't see them ditching their much loved (and expensive) tivos for something that has less features (7mc doesn't have the auto recording based on thumbs up/down) and by the time the q launches, tivo's extender should already be out on the market. the only feature the q may have over a tivo might be a bd player, but I'm not seeing how ceton could get a license to extend the bd player to the echos.

I think the q is kind of neat, but I'm not sure if they will sell many of them, if it ever ships.
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Originally Posted by Derek K. View Post

I don't think the target customer for the q is a cable sub with just one tv. those type of people get their dvrs from the provider.
people with one tv aren't looking for multi-room dvrs. smile.gif
I'm not sure about the tivo crowd, either. ime, nowadays people with tivos are die-hard tivo lovers. I don't see them ditching their much loved (and expensive) tivos for something that has less features (7mc doesn't have the auto recording based on thumbs up/down) and by the time the q launches, tivo's extender should already be out on the market. the only feature the q may have over a tivo might be a bd player, but I'm not seeing how ceton could get a license to extend the bd player to the echos.
I think the q is kind of neat, but I'm not sure if they will sell many of them, if it ever ships.
When I wrote Tivo, I really meant people who have DVR's in general whether it be the one from the cable company, a Tivo, or something else (other than a PC running WMC). The Q will give the user 6 CableCard tuners, which no other DVR I'm aware of, other than a PC running WMC is capable of. Even though 6 tuners sounds like a lot for just a single TV, that depends on the user. In my case, I watch very little live and record everything I want to watch. Some nights, there's nothing on that I care about and then there are times when all 6 tuners would be recording something at the same time - either shows that are on at the same time or shows that overlap when you factor in 2 minutes of padding at the start and 10 minutes at the end. Unless one gets a lifetime sub with a Tivo, the Q will have the advantage of no ongoing guide fees which will probably lure at least some away and give the user more tuners than any of Tivo's products currently offer. And compared to the cable company DVR's, the Q will typically save someone between $15 and $20 a month (which would eventually pay for the Q), give 6 tuners instead of (typically) 2, and a bigger hard drive so more programs can be recorded. Time will tell just how much of a market there is for the Q - I don't see many of us die-hard types buying them as many of us already have the equivalent up and running.
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Tivo for me is 13 bucks a month so I'm fine with it. I can't complain too much about 50 Mbps internet (unlimited no stupid caps), mid level cable subscription, free showtime, and Tivo for 87 a month from RCN. The price goes up a few bucks next year, and it's like 100-110 in the 3rd year.

I'm scared to use my HTPC for tv recording, I've had issues with updates to things making a mess out of other things. At least if something happens with my cable box, I drive down to RCN and get a new one, if something happens to my pc it can take some time to troubleshoot, order and wait for parts.

You can attach an external hard drive to the tivo box for additional storage. But only 2 tuners does kind of suck.
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I haven't had any issues recording with my HTPC. Set updates to be manual and do them when there's no recordings scheduled. That TiVo fee is forever and getting a tuner card for you HTPC or Q will pay for itself quickly.

So let's get this discussion back on the Echo..

Is the beta still on target for mid-September?
Edited by Sammy2 - 8/16/12 at 2:56pm
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Originally Posted by wyen78 View Post

Tivo for me is 13 bucks a month so I'm fine with it. I can't complain too much about 50 Mbps internet (unlimited no stupid caps), mid level cable subscription, free showtime, and Tivo for 87 a month from RCN. The price goes up a few bucks next year, and it's like 100-110 in the 3rd year.
I'm scared to use my HTPC for tv recording, I've had issues with updates to things making a mess out of other things. At least if something happens with my cable box, I drive down to RCN and get a new one, if something happens to my pc it can take some time to troubleshoot, order and wait for parts.
You can attach an external hard drive to the tivo box for additional storage. But only 2 tuners does kind of suck.

RCN offers Stand-Alone TiVo Qs which are 4-Tuner Premieres with a 500GB HDD, w/ onboard MoCA
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r27333751-TiVo-Any-update-on-whether-or-not-the-Q-will-be-available-alon
http://www.tivo.com/assets/pdfs/business/Generic_SS-2011_Q.pdf

TiVo today added the same model as the TiVo Q for retail sale called the Premiere 4, a 4-Tuner, 500GB HDD, w/ onboard MoCA for $250 and Lifetime service is $500 or $400 w/ Multi Service Discount or $14.99/mo
https://www3.tivo.com/store/premiere-4.do
http://www.tivo.com/assets/images/abouttivo/resources/downloads/brochures/TiVoPremiere4-Datasheet.pdf

I only paid $300 though for my TiVo Elite/XL4, 4-Tuner, 2TB HDD, w/ onboard MoCA and $400 for Lifetime service.
Edited by Bryan_CoxPHX - 8/16/12 at 3:43pm
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Well yeah, but that was a woot.com closeout deal on the Elite. Normal price for the XL4 is in the $350 range.

I am having a hard time figuring out why they cheaped out on the 500GB HD for the new Premiere 4 though, it should be 1TB minimum for any 4-tuner DVR.

Back on topic - I think the lack of any news of a beta or anything else for the Q means that it's going to miss the Christmas season, so agree that it will be Q1 next year at earliest. I also don't think the success (or not) of the Echo should have anything to do with the Q.
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

What I want to know is when the InfiniTV 6 PCIe tuner will be available for purchase as I'd be very tempted to replace my pair of InfiniTV 4's with 1.

I have actually run into the problem of having all 4 of my tuners busy due to the way Microsoft forces us to do the overlap to prevent messing up our recordings. Have they given a price estimate on the 6 tuner yet?
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I have actually run into the problem of having all 4 of my tuners busy due to the way Microsoft forces us to do the overlap to prevent messing up our recordings. Have they given a price estimate on the 6 tuner yet?
Not that I've seen, but I'm guessing it will be in the ballpark of $300-350 given the current price of the InfiniTV 4. I'm kind of torn on switching though as my system is currently working quite well and gives me 8 tuners instead of 6 for those extremely rare cases where I actually need more than 6 tuners (I could get around this by assigning a couple of my HDHomeRun OTA tuners to the PC). It also gives me the ability to keep my system going if one of the cards fails. Of course I could go completely nuts and replace the pair of 4's with a pair of 6's biggrin.gif. We'll see what happens.
Edited by gsr - 8/17/12 at 2:53pm
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I think you are completely justified on getting two sixes. I say do it, do it nao!!!
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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post

I think you are completely justified on getting two sixes. I say do it, do it nao!!!
Why stop at 2? Cram ~40 InfiniTVs in one PC biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by erickotz View Post

Why stop at 2? Cram ~40 InfiniTVs in one PC biggrin.gif
So when can I place my order? biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by erickotz View Post

Why stop at 2? Cram ~40 InfiniTVs in one PC biggrin.gif

Well, I personally only have room for 4 I think...then I run out of slots. biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post

Well, I personally only have room for 4 I think...then I run out of slots. biggrin.gif
Clearly, you need to upgrade your motherboard. eek.gif
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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post

Well, I personally only have room for 4 I think...then I run out of slots. biggrin.gif
Clearly, you need to upgrade your motherboard. eek.gif

You gents are sick biggrin.gif .
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