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Originally Posted by ljo000 View Post

From the site:
$179
Available Holiday 2012
Technical Specifications:
Outputs: HDMI, Optical Digital Cable, Composite Audio/Video, 2x USB 2.0
Network: 10/100/1000 Mbps Ethernet, MoCA, DHCP or Static IP Address
Standards: TCP/IP, UPnP AV 1.0, USB 2.0
Media Streaming Protocol: HTTP, RTSP
Audio Formats: AIFF, MP3, WMA, WAV, Playlists: M3U, PLS, WPL
Photo Formats: BMP, GIF, JPEG, PNG, TIFF
Movie/Video Formats: AVI, DVR-MS, DVR-MS HD, H.264, MPEG-1, MPEG-2, MPEG-4, VC-1, WMV9, WTV
Digital Rights Management: Windows Media Player 11, WMDRM-11
Power: TBA
Dimensions & Weight: TBA
1-year limited warranty
IIRC that's been showing since even before the announcement.
post #1322 of 7721
Ceton is killing me with this wait.
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I feel the pain!
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Eric:
Can you give an update to the beta testers? Thanks.
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Well Ceton managed to get a press release out on the Companion app yesterday, so I guess thier not ready to tell us anything on the Echo just yet.

Man, do I hope I am wrong.

http://cetoncorp.com/company/press/
post #1326 of 7721
They cant keep putting this off too much longer if they plan to release this unit before Christmas. It takes quite a bit of man hours to ship 1000 units for beta testing. We could be into October before any real beta testing takes place.
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I just saw the specs for the Echo on the Ceton website. The Q DVR has a built-in Blu-Ray player and it appears that the Echo supports the various Blu-Ray video formats. However, I didn't see any mention of whether it supports playback of Blu-Ray movies ripped to an mkv container. Has anyone heard anything more definitive on this? I'm signed up for the beta test, but if this thing won't play mkv's I'm going to opt out and save my money.
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No MKV's = no go for my either.
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Yeah, i'm dying to find out if it will support MKV's also. If it doesnt support MKV I'm out as well
post #1330 of 7721
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Originally Posted by captain_video View Post

I just saw the specs for the Echo on the Ceton website. The Q DVR has a built-in Blu-Ray player and it appears that the Echo supports the various Blu-Ray video formats. However, I didn't see any mention of whether it supports playback of Blu-Ray movies ripped to an mkv container. Has anyone heard anything more definitive on this? I'm signed up for the beta test, but if this thing won't play mkv's I'm going to opt out and save my money.

The expectation is yes- I think one of the Ceton guys said, or at least strongly suggested, that there would be mkv support. But that was a long time ago. But I think something weird is going on. Since May, Ceton has been oddly quiet about the Echo's capabilities, despite repeated suggestions that news was just around the corner. I'm guessing MKV support is probably a safe bet, but there's probably some other features they've struggled with (either for technical or legal/licensing reasons).
post #1331 of 7721
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Originally Posted by skybolt View Post

Well Ceton managed to get a press release out on the Companion app yesterday, so I guess thier not ready to tell us anything on the Echo just yet.
Man, do I hope I am wrong.
http://cetoncorp.com/company/press/

Actually, the last press release was on the 7th. The left hand column is press releases, the right hand column is articles elsewhere about Ceton. So we still don't have a press release yet. frown.gif
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I personally do not care about mkv - but I recognize its importance to others so I hope it is in there to make the product a success. I personally want it to simply allow me to have a second user using the HTPC while a first user uses it - and displays the same thing you would see while sitting infront of the normal HTPC. Yes, I want it all - and I want it now!
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I hope the best for Ceton and wishes them a big success with this echo/q system. But as an ex-Sage HD300 user my expectations are proably too high but the least I expect from the Echo is to be able to play MKV's DVD and Blu-Ray even if I have to buy "addons" to make that hapend.
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Originally Posted by Yraen View Post

Actually, the last press release was on the 7th. The left hand column is press releases, the right hand column is articles elsewhere about Ceton. So we still don't have a press release yet. frown.gif

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to correct me on that. I noticed it this morning when I checked again. My bad. At least the link is usable ...
post #1335 of 7721
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Originally Posted by reggie14 View Post

The expectation is yes- I think one of the Ceton guys said, or at least strongly suggested, that there would be mkv support. But that was a long time ago. But I think something weird is going on. Since May, Ceton has been oddly quiet about the Echo's capabilities, despite repeated suggestions that news was just around the corner. I'm guessing MKV support is probably a safe bet, but there's probably some other features they've struggled with (either for technical or legal/licensing reasons).

I still don't get it? With the exception of HBR Audio (only DTS at best) MKV's already work, I say this because most of the downloaded MKV's work just fine for me already. You need to use Haali Splitter. Most of the video out is still only 5.1.

Granted I would love to see the higher bit rate audio supported, but h.264 works pretty well on the 360 with a little work. So I would hope the Echo will have no problem supporting it.

Pretty big disappointment on the no info front though...
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Originally Posted by skybolt View Post

I still don't get it? With the exception of HBR Audio (only DTS at best) MKV's already work, I say this because most of the downloaded MKV's work just fine for me already. You need to use Haali Splitter. Most of the video out is still only 5.1.

My understanding is the Xbox doesn't support blu-ray bit rate H.264 video. And I can't imagine it supports PGS subtitles, so good luck playing a blu-ray rip of Avatar.
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Originally Posted by skybolt View Post

I still don't get it? With the exception of HBR Audio (only DTS at best) MKV's already work, I say this because most of the downloaded MKV's work just fine for me already.

Well I don't download MKVs (can you download any legally?), I rip the BDs I buy, and I don't want to reduce the quality just to work on a device I have. If I reduce the quality it defeats the entire purpose, I'd rather just play the disc in that case.
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You need to use Haali Splitter. Most of the video out is still only 5.1.

But it's stil lossy, and there is a noticeable difference, at least to some of us.
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Pretty big disappointment on the no info front though...

This is why companies never release any information early, if they don't meet their best guess people all over the internet throw a fit.
post #1338 of 7721
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Originally Posted by stanger89 View Post

This is why companies never release any information early, if they don't meet their best guess people all over the internet throw a fit.

Yeah, I know. I certainly don't mean to bash them at all, but I can't help but be curious about what's going on over at Ceton.

That being said, I'm pretty disappointed about timing. I'm moving into a new place this weekend and I didn't want to have to set up my Sage system with a new cable TV provider. Plus football and the fall TV season are just starting up.
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From Ceton:


Progress on the Ceton Echo is going quite well. The hardware is done and has passed the required FCC and CE certifications. We’ve built the first batch of devices and have started alpha testing them. Yes, a bunch of us at Ceton are now running Echos as extenders at home! While the hardware is done, we still have a bit more work to do on the software before we will begin the beta. Things are looking good to start sending out beta units the first week in October, which leaves us on target to release the Echo in November, in time for the holiday shopping season as promised. If you’ve been selected for the beta, keep an eye out for email from us toward the end of September with information on how to order your beta unit.

We’ll send an update with the final Ceton Echo version 1 technical specs as well as an update on the Ceton Q at the end of this month, before the Echo beta ordering process starts.

As always, thanks for all your support and encouragement!
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Is this what they had in mind when they said more info around the 10th? I have to say that I'm a little disappointed.
post #1341 of 7721
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Originally Posted by tkole View Post

 
We’ll send an update with the final Ceton Echo version 1 technical specs as well as an update on the Ceton Q at the end of this month, before the Echo beta ordering process starts.

Yeah, I just got that too. frown.gif

Oh well. There's nothing we can do but wait. I was really expecting a statement about capabilities, though.
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i two just got that email and have to say i was sad not to hear more. but at least they told us something.
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Hey guys, I know it is not the exact info everyone wanted but we knew we needed to tell everyone more details on exactly where we are. If you don't get our newsletter here it is:

http://us2.campaign-archive1.com/?u=d8df9c2734d4388754bd41fd3&id=f9d86f94f7


If anyone has questions about the companion apps as well let me know I will be monitoring this thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1428039/ceton-companion-app-available-now
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Originally Posted by reggie14 View Post

My understanding is the Xbox doesn't support blu-ray bit rate H.264 video. And I can't imagine it supports PGS subtitles, so good luck playing a blu-ray rip of Avatar.

No it isn't perfect, but I stated that. I guess the way I posted I gave the impression this was a perfect solution, it isn't. I was trying to point out that Ceton should not have a hard time delivering full MKV support and should have posted as such ...
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Originally Posted by "stanger89 
But it's stil lossy, and there is a noticeable difference, at least to some of us.

As we have discussed in other threads, I can suffer not having HBR Audio, I am not willing to suffer video loss either ...

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Originally Posted by "stanger89 
This is why companies never release any information early, if they don't meet their best guess people all over the internet throw a fit.

"Pretty big disappointment on the no info front though..." - Not so sure that was a fit ... cool.gif
Edited by skybolt - 9/11/12 at 6:58pm
post #1345 of 7721
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Originally Posted by motz2k1 View Post

Hey guys, I know it is not the exact info everyone wanted but we knew we needed to tell everyone more details on exactly where we are....

Any Idea how long the beta will last, sounds like only a few weeks. Less then a month.
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I am uncertain how they plan to ship out around 1000 units and review all the feedback and still be able to release the unit in early November. They must have some damn good coders and a hell of a shipping department.
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Originally Posted by nebulink View Post

and still be able to release the unit in early November.
Um, they said "November", not "Early November". I do agree that the timing seems a bit tight though - they're going to need things to go pretty smoothly to get it shipped even in mid to late November.
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Originally Posted by hogues View Post

Is this what they had in mind when they said more info around the 10th? I have to say that I'm a little disappointed.

Probably not, they probably figured they'd be able to release full info but things often take longer than planned, they probably just didn't get to where they hoped/needed to be.

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Originally Posted by skybolt View Post

No it isn't perfect, but I stated that. I guess the way I posted I gave the impression this was a perfect solution, it isn't. I was trying to point out that Ceton should not have a hard time delivering full MKV support and should have posted as such ...

They shouldn't, unless the Microsoft extender protocol is a limiting factor.
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As we have discussed in other threads, I can suffer not having HBR Audio, I am not willing to suffer video loss either ...

Well I probably "can't", I've been through that already with my Sage extenders before I got my AVM50V, with my AVM20 I couldn't get HBR audio with the extenders so I opted to use my BD player and play the disc from the shelf rather than play the rip. So I already know that if the replacement solution doesn't do HBR audio, it's basically a non-starter.
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Originally Posted by nebulink View Post

I am uncertain how they plan to ship out around 1000 units and review all the feedback and still be able to release the unit in early November. They must have some damn good coders and a hell of a shipping department.

Doesn't seem that unrealistic, even if they take a week to ship them all, that's "only" 200 per day, shipping takes a couple days, so they'd be getting feedback within a week, and they'd still have at least 4 weeks of feedback. I know SageTV was always really quick turn around on issues reported on their extenders, I see no reason why Ceton couldn't do the same.
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Um, they said "November", not "Early November". I do agree that the timing seems a bit tight though - they're going to need things to go pretty smoothly to get it shipped even in mid to late November.


Yeah that's pretty tight. But not impossible. The hardware must be final (which I think they said somewhere). It's just the software/firmware that needs to get right via the beta process. The units can be manufactured and shipped with older version and upgraded with final software by the end user if need be.

Now if during alpha a HW problem is discovered, trust me that they will push the beta, as that makes no sense to ruin the experience for even the 1000 beta users that would give bad pr. I believe the beta has already been pushed a few times from their original PM plan. End of sept is our new date. We shall see how the alpha impacts this.

Now if during the beta a minor HW issue is discovered. They have only impacted a 1000 users who willfully signed up to take on risk of beta. But my guess is that during beta there's going to be a milestone for production ramp up to begin barring no major HW defects being discovered.

You have to believe ceton wants to get this out the door as bad as we want it. Espicially with holiday season motivation . But I dont believe they are willing to sacrifice quality, brand reputation just to meet a date and that's how it should be (most organizations subscribe to this paradigm). They could have been like apple and not told us anything until 2 weeks before shipdate. Or be even worse and do make their original dates but ship a crap product.
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Originally Posted by gustovier View Post

Now if during the beta a minor HW issue is discovered. They have only impacted a 1000 users who willfully signed up to take on risk of beta. But my guess is that during beta there's going to be a milestone for production ramp up to begin barring no major HW defects being discovered.
In the (hopefully very unlikely, for timing's sake) event they identify a hardware problem during the beta, I'm sure they'll provide the beta testers with updated hardware one way or another, but that would probably kill the timing for November. The only "risk" associated with signing up for the beta should be running into bugs that are inconvenient until they're fixed - the beta group shouldn't have any expectation that they'll be stuck with a bad Echo in the end, even if they aren't identical to production units.
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You have to believe ceton wants to get this out the door as bad as we want it. Espicially with holiday season motivation . But I dont believe they are willing to sacrifice quality, brand reputation just to meet a date and that's how it should be (most organizations subscribe to this paradigm). They could have been like apple and not told us anything until 2 weeks before shipdate. Or be even worse and do make their original dates but ship a crap product.
Agreed, but keep in mind that I wasn't complaining, just observing that the timing is tight and there's no room for anything but relatively minor issues if they're going to meet their goal of shipping for the holiday season wink.gif.
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