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Though since I have 8 tuners this really doesn't come up that often!
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I'm thinking that out of the box it'll choke on dts connected direct to my TV but will pass through to my AVR and play that way. I'm going to test both.
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I'm thinking that out of the box it'll choke on dts connected direct to my TV but will pass through to my AVR and play that way. I'm going to test both.

Do us a favor, if you don't already have an MKV ripped with MakeMKV, could you download and try that with any latest BD? That would be just awesome.
Since most of us havn't received our emails yet, that would answer quite a few questions, I should think.
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Hard to say, even though the Sage extenders passed DTS, a lot of Sage users really wanted DTS decoding support so they could view DTS videos on TVs without AVRs. Personally DTS passthrough would be enough (as far as DTS goes), since I've got an SSP, but for many others that's probably not enough.
That would require a DTS license.

Last I checked the Xbox doesn't support decoding DTS and it downsamples to 2ch just fine.... which allows viewing a file with DTS (I do it and works for me).

I'm still not totally getting the need for the Echo to decode DTS w/out an AVR - don't most TV's just have two speakers? Down sampling to 2Ch would be advantageous in this case as trying to pass a decoded stream w/out the proper speaker setup would produce worse results IMO.
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I have nearly 20Tb of Blu-rays ripped to mkv with MakeMKV containing the HD Audio tracts so that won't be a problem.
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When Xbox 360 is used with HD-DVD drive, it can both decode and re-encode DTS 1.5mbps. But downsampling to 2-ch stereo is the same as decoding DTS which requires a DTS license. Passthough doesn't require a license.
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I just got a lovely surprise from the postman with a big "BETA" label addressed from Ceton. Plan to hook up and give an initial try this afternoon. Unfortunately making money to pay for this comes first. Ill post some additional info once I open and read instructions. More to come..
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Last I checked the Xbox doesn't support decoding DTS and it downsamples to 2ch just fine.... which allows viewing a file with DTS (I do it and works for me). I'm still not totally getting the need for the Echo to decode DTS w/out an AVR - don't most TV's just have two speakers? Down sampling to 2Ch would be advantageous in this case as trying to pass a decoded stream w/out the proper speaker setup would produce worse results IMO.

Foxbat already made the comment but downmixing still requires decoding DTS, so you still need a license. The limitation with the Xbox and 2ch DTS decode is that the Xbox doesn't have multichannel output so it's not possible for it to decode DTS to 5.1 and output it as 5.1, it only has stereo outputs. But it will still decode to 5.1 and then downmix it to stereo. AFAIK even with the HDMI models the output is either stereo or 5.1 DD (encoded on the fly).
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Do us a favor, if you don't already have an MKV ripped with MakeMKV, could you download and try that with any latest BD? That would be just awesome.
Since most of us haven't received our emails yet, that would answer quite a few questions, I should think.

That's one of the first things that I'm going to do. Mine should be here tomorrow.
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... The limitation with the Xbox and 2ch DTS decode is that the Xbox doesn't have multichannel output so it's not possible for it to decode DTS to 5.1 and output it as 5.1, it only has stereo outputs. ...

Ah, not so. With HD cable it has optical. I am assuming you were refering to descretes?
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hes talking about decoding it to discrete analog signals like some bluray players or high end sound cards could do.
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Ah, not so. With HD cable it has optical. I am assuming you were refering to descretes?

HDMI or optical is limited DD 5.1 or PCM 2.0 only. There is no other way for Xbox to output audio. With HD-DVD add-on, you have additional option of DTS 5.1 re-encode. There is also WMAPro output which is capable of 5.1 but there is no WMAPro source as far as I know.

Please note, you don't have to use analog outputs for multi-channel audio output. HDMI is capable of that already, e.g. PS3. But HDMI port on Xbox 360 is hardware limited to what optical port can do which means PCM 2.0 or DD 5.1.
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Thanks guys. i knew someone would clear that up for me. smile.gif
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Thanks for the pics! Can you post one of it in your hand, so we get an idea of its size? Or next to your mouse?
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Fits in the palm of a 5'7 tiny man..hey that sounded wrong

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Fits in the palm of a 5'7 tiny man..hey that sounded wrong
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Does it have any screws for VESA mounting on the other side? That's a feature so easy to implement I'd be disappointed if it weren't included.
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heh...that thing IS small...and so is the Echo! wink.gif
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Does it have any screws for VESA mounting on the other side? That's a feature so easy to implement I'd be disappointed if it weren't included.

No. It's soft and smooth all around. However,it weighs so little that a little a little Velcro would hold it to the backside of a tv. Also, may fit in the mount they sell for the roku boxes. I have one upstairs somewhere ill dig it out.
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No. It's soft and smooth all around. However,it weighs so little that a little a little Velcro would hold it to the backside of a tv. Also, may fit in the mount they sell for the roku boxes. I have one upstairs somewhere ill dig it out.
That's a good point, I didn't even consider velcro.
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My VESA is being used to hang the TV on the wall in the kitchen where this is destined to go. Later, if all goes well, I'll be putting a couple more around but it is so small I don' think it'll be a problem just having it on the counter or whereever the IR remote works with it.

Velcro is a perfect idea. I have my SSD velcroed to the inside of my PC case.. (Thanks to assassin's recommedation)
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How are you going to get IR to it if it is behind the TV? Would be nice if it had IR extender plug. I guess if you had Harmony 900 or similar, that would work.
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If it is close but not too close to the wall it could reflect off the wall?
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I'm excited for you that you got yours already. Looking forward to hear what it can do.
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How are you going to get IR to it if it is behind the TV? Would be nice if it had IR extender plug. I guess if you had Harmony 900 or similar, that would work.

So, I assume that the promised HDMI-CEC didn't make the final cut. I was really hoping to get rid of my Harmony just because my TV takes so long to turn on that using my Harmony to switch inputs is impossible.

Bummer. I will still take 2 to replace my DMA2100 and my DMA2200.
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Put delays between the commands in the Harmony. Problem solved.
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Put delays between the commands in the Harmony. Problem solved.

Let me rephrase that. My TV takes up to 30 seconds to turn on and get to the point where I can change the input. I don't have enough patience to continue to point the remote at the TV for that long and my wife and kids definitely don't have the patience required. This is one of the major reasons that my wife likes the PS3. The HDMI-CEC means that she only needs to turn on the PS3 and everything switches automatically.
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Let me rephrase that. My TV takes up to 30 seconds to turn on and get to the point where I can change the input. I don't have enough patience to continue to point the remote at the TV for that long and my wife and kids definitely don't have the patience required. This is one of the major reasons that my wife likes the PS3. The HDMI-CEC means that she only needs to turn on the PS3 and everything switches automatically.

That's what a URC MX450 and RF receiver are for wink.gif
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That's what a URC MX450 and RF receiver are for wink.gif

Or I can just hope that people begin using the HDMI-CEC protocol.

I am still hopeful that HDMI-CEC made it in but that it is such a back-of-the-mind thought for most people that it wouldn't be published in the specs. If any of the Beta testers could verify I would really appreciate it.
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I was under the impression HDMI CEC was rather hit-or-miss between manufacturers since it wasn't a well defined standard.
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