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post #1831 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

I am not familiar with WOL??
If your PC is sleep, can Echo wake it up when you power up the echo. So far, only Xbox can send WOL packets to wake up the hosting PC.
post #1832 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

I am not familiar with WOL??

Sorry mate, Wake On Lan - if you don't let your HTPC / Server sleep then you won't be!

I have an HTPC that sleeps when not being used, when I fire up an XBOX it wakes it up. I can do the same with my DMA2100, but only using a DD-WRT script in my router.

I was hoping that this did it "out the box".

Looking forward to reading your thoughts on the device over the next few days when you get more use of it.
post #1833 of 7721
Oh, Wake on LAN. I was thinking it was some sort of container or codec because that is where my mind is right now.

I probabaly won't test this because my HTPC and PC are both on 24/7. Maybe somebody else will be testing this.
post #1834 of 7721
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Originally Posted by mcpedro View Post

Does it handle WOL like the XBOX360?

Really keen on getting a few of these if they can sort out MKV playback.

Thanks in advance, no doubt you will get bombarded for answers smile.gif

No UI no method to test this.
post #1835 of 7721
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Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

No UI no method to test this.
WOL packets are automatically sent when host is not reachable if such feature is supported. No UI needed.
post #1836 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Oh, Wake on LAN. I was thinking it was some sort of container or codec because that is where my mind is right now.
I probabaly won't test this because my HTPC and PC are both on 24/7. Maybe somebody else will be testing this.

No problem, will appreciate any feedback you might have on all things codec / extender regadless smile.gif
post #1837 of 7721
Well that is unfortunate. Does it at least playback lower bit rate mkv content like the xbox does or does it just choke? Looks like I will be building another HTPC instead of the getting the Echo for the bedroom. Thanks.
post #1838 of 7721
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Originally Posted by G-- View Post

Well that is unfortunate. Does it at least playback lower bit rate mkv content like the xbox does or does it just choke? Looks like I will be building another HTPC instead of the getting the Echo for the bedroom. Thanks.

Because it doesn't now doesn't mean it won't ever.
post #1839 of 7721
I haven't tried too much as I just got done watching Denver SPANK San Diego. I don't have low bit ratr mkv's except some TV shows buti cannot access them right now because of some sharing issues.
post #1840 of 7721
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Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

Because it doesn't now doesn't mean it won't ever.

A wise man once said, never buy a product based on what it might eventually do, buy the product based on what it actually does...there is no guarentee for the future.
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Does anyone know yet what Colorspace the Echo uses. It is 4-2-2, or 4-4-4?
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Any comments on the general PVR function? "works fine and didn't give it a second thought" is what I'm hoping for.
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Yes, and how is the general playback? Any jitter, out of sync audio like xbox? I am hoping for better networking then xbox. Is it 100/1000?
post #1844 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

It firmly chokes on mkv playback at this time so I didn't get far enough to see what it does with dts. We'll see how that goes going forward in the beta.

Do you have any other extenders that do do MKVs or have you never tried before? If you do, and the Echo is the only one that doesn't, then that pretty much settles it, it's not worth my time, Ceton's time, or one of Ceton's "scarce" beta units for me to beta test. Unfortunate.
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Remember guys this is basically the first day of the beta and it does what was advertised..

It does what the spec sheet says, but I wouldn't go so far as to say it does what was advertised. I only signed up for the beta in the first place because Ceton folks "assured" or at least hinted that it would do a lot more than the Xbox360 as an extender, well it turns out it doesn't.
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Hopefully in the next few weeks it will change in regard to mkv and dts playback.

I'm not counting on it.
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Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

Because it doesn't now doesn't mean it won't ever.

I wouldn't get your hopes up at this point.
post #1845 of 7721
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Originally Posted by gtgray View Post

Does anyone know yet what Colorspace the Echo uses. It is 4-2-2, or 4-4-4?

I'm seeing 4-4-4 all the time.
post #1846 of 7721
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Originally Posted by dah12 View Post

Any comments on the general PVR function? "works fine and didn't give it a second thought" is what I'm hoping for.

For PVR functions they seem to all be there. Play, record, manage recordings, Pause, RW, FF, Resume, skip etc. if your looking for core WMC PVR functionality then the echo has it covered.
post #1847 of 7721
Wow, no HD .mkv playback ability... What about the ability to play lower bitrate .mkv's? Also, what about native DVD rip support (i.e. Video_TS/Audio_TS)? Can it play back that structure? Any third party support like Netflix? Any of you guys running an AVR between the Echo and your TV? Just curious if it is passing any kind of DTS/DD through to the AVR. I guess it doesn't matter if it isn't passing DTS-MA/Dolby TrueHD as it can't play BD rips anyway...

Sorry for bombarding you with questions. Just trying to see what else it can do.

I'm sorry, but there is no way this will be a commercial success at this price point with only the ability to play live/recorded TV. It needs to be sub-$100 for this to be relevant. I'm thinking somewhere along the lines of $79. I'd buy it for that price and then pair it with a Boxee or something simliar that can actually play my local media.
Edited by Biggen_PCB - 10/16/12 at 5:10am
post #1848 of 7721
Relax.. It just arrived yesterday, is still in beta and some of us actually work long days. I bearlly got 30 minutes with mine because I wanted to see the game. I did watch and record the game with it though. There were a few hiccups but there's a new f/w coming out very soon to fix some of the reported problems.
post #1849 of 7721
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Originally Posted by gtgray View Post

Does anyone know yet what Colorspace the Echo uses. It is 4-2-2, or 4-4-4?

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Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

I'm seeing 4-4-4 all the time.

Where were you able to ascertain this?
post #1850 of 7721
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Originally Posted by stanger89 View Post

Do you have any other extenders that do do MKVs or have you never tried before? If you do, and the Echo is the only one that doesn't, then that pretty much settles it, it's not worth my time, Ceton's time, or one of Ceton's "scarce" beta units for me to beta test. Unfortunate.
It does what the spec sheet says, but I wouldn't go so far as to say it does what was advertised. I only signed up for the beta in the first place because Ceton folks "assured" or at least hinted that it would do a lot more than the Xbox360 as an extender, well it turns out it doesn't.
I'm not counting on it.
I wouldn't get your hopes up at this point.

I've never used an extender before. If that is the way you feel then that is okay. You're entitled to your feelings. Give ceton some time to get things settled. Jeez the thing hit beta yesterday and it is getting flamed as if it were a seasoned product. If it never supports mkv, I'm okay with that but yeah the price will need to come down if it is only a PVR extender.
post #1851 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Biggen_PCB View Post

Wow, no HD .mkv playback ability... What about the ability to play lower bitrate .mkv's? Also, what about native DVD rip support (i.e. Video_TS/Audio_TS)? Can it play back that structure? Any third party support like Netflix? Any of you guys running an AVR between the Echo and your TV? Just curious if it is passing any kind of DTS/DD through to the AVR. I guess it doesn't matter if it isn't passing DTS-MA/Dolby TrueHD as it can't play BD rips anyway...
Sorry for bombarding you with questions. Just trying to see what else it can do.
I'm sorry, but there is no way this will be a commercial success at this price point with only the ability to play live/recorded TV. It needs to be sub-$100 for this to be relevant. I'm thinking somewhere along the lines of $79. I'd buy it for that price and then pair it with a Boxee or something simliar that can actually play my local media.

Yeah, sounds like this thing can't do anything more than an Xbox, but actually a lot less. Low power is nice and all, but it looks like I'll be waiting on the rumored "X-box lite" now to replace the current 360 slims. Unless Ceton can work some magic & make this more capable, or drops the price by about $100, I for one will be passing. I was really rooting for Ceton when this (and the Q) were first announced, but now, I don't see the echo being very successful. The market for these is going to dry up very quickly, especially without a Q.
post #1852 of 7721
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Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

For PVR functions they seem to all be there. Play, record, manage recordings, Pause, RW, FF, Resume, skip etc. if your looking for core WMC PVR functionality then the echo has it covered.

Does it do fast-play with audio at 1.4x speed (AFAIK no previous extender has supported this - certainly my DMA2100s don't)?

Thanks!
post #1853 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

I've never used an extender before. If that is the way you feel then that is okay. You're entitled to your feelings. Give ceton some time to get things settled. Jeez the thing hit beta yesterday and it is getting flamed as if it were a seasoned product.

First, notice I phrased it in the form of a question, I originally had it typed up as a statement but realized you might not have your PC setup to split MKV for an extender. I'm sorry but Ceton should be able to clarify what it will and won't do and their lack of comment after asking for money now is frustrating. For example if the spec list is just decoded formats, and passed formats are separate, or if that's really the only audio formats it supports. Or (to the container question) even an "if WMC will split it the Echo will handle it", or giving us the maximum bitrates and profiles of video codecs. These are simple questions with relatively simple answers, but we're not getting any answers beyond a rather ambiguous list of formats on the spec list.

That said, based on comments from 8 months ago, in response to direct questions about DTS-HD MA and TrueHD/BD, etc, we were told (maybe implied is more accurate) that the echo was (going to be?) tested with "*cough*popular internet sources*cough*"
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1386351/official-ceton-echo-extender-info-thread/210#post_21589057

Forgive me that if with that response to that particular question, knowing they weren't prepared to list specifics, I got the impression it would work with MKVs and pass HBR audio. If they were planning on doing that on the Q and were not on WMC that's fine, I understand they didn't actually promise anything and I don't fault Ceton for that. But were it not for that post in this thread, I would not have followed, nor signed up for, nor accepted the beta (probably).

Further, if they'd have said up front that they would only commit to matching the Xbox 360 functionality (extender wise) you wouldn't see people complaining (or excited), but they at least hinted at much more than that.
post #1854 of 7721
Now that it's out there, this is from an email I received prior to making the decision to go ahead with the Echo:

"MKV is not supported initially. It’s something we’re hoping to add in the future but no guarantees. Please make your decision whether to participate in the beta or not based on the feature set published."

I was and am still okay with that as I'm mostly interested in a PVR/DVR extender. I have a streamer to handle the rest of it at the location I want to have future mkv streaming.. The loft/den. It is a Patriot Box Office that I picked up on newegg SS for $60 and then proceeded to flash it with Medebo (Med8tor) f/w and it does all HD Audio formats.. I will have an Echo at one other location in my house.. the kitchen for TV as it is really not possible to get into a movie in there anyhow.

If the Echo does not do mkv or some of the other goodies then I am sure the price will need to come down considering a STB is $5/month and it takes over 100 months to recover the cost.. But Charter's STB's are HUGE and wouldn't work so well in the kitchen so that advantage should be taken into account.
post #1855 of 7721
Sammy - You need to relize that most of us here are not worried about a kitchen pvr, I am sure we will be using the Echo for that at some point, but that's not it's tartget place, for me anyway.

I think most of us here are looking for that one big catch all box that can do everything in our main view area. There are alot of peole here migrating from Sage, we had that one catch all box. It was called the HD300, it is/was amazing at what it could do. It is hard for some of us to look past the limitations of other companies offerings after having experienced what a small company can do with a little piece of hardware and sell it for $150.

That said, I have to agree with you that this is a completely differant product attaching to a completly differant piece of software (ok I said that not you), and it is in day 1/2 of a beta. We need to address it as such, and those of us compareing it to Sage need to remember that WMC will NEVER be what Sage was, it can't. I feel that pain but we cannot expect Ceton to pick up where Sage left off because WMC has it's limitations as it stands today. Perhaps the Echo will evolve into what the HDx00 series did for Sage who knows.

I for one can't wait to help improve the Echo and help it get to that spot if possible.
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I hear that PVR functionality has just been merged into the main feature branch of XBMC so will be in their next full release. I've never used it. Has anyone? Is it time to look at backing something which is at least developing towards what I've always wanted my HTPC system to be, rather than sticking with the MS ecosystem which is clearly wasting away, even with the addition of the Echo?
post #1857 of 7721
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Does anyone know yet what Colorspace the Echo uses. It is 4-2-2, or 4-4-4?

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Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

I'm seeing 4-4-4 all the time.

Where were you able to ascertain this?

My tv and avr give me the info. My AVR shows me full details of the source, so I trust it more. I also connected the echo direct to my pj and it also reports 4.4.4
post #1858 of 7721
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I hears PVR functionality has just been merged into the main feature branch of XBMC so will be in their next full release. I've never used it. Has anyone? Is it time to look at backing something which is at least developing towards what I've always wanted my HTPC system to be, rather than sticking with the MS ecosystem which is clearly wasting away, even with the addition of the Echo?
Until XBMC supports copy-protected channels, I have to stick with WMC. there is no sense to switch to something That only can watch half the channels.
post #1859 of 7721
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Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

For PVR functions they seem to all be there. Play, record, manage recordings, Pause, RW, FF, Resume, skip etc. if your looking for core WMC PVR functionality then the echo has it covered.

Does it do fast-play with audio at 1.4x speed (AFAIK no previous extender has supported this - certainly my DMA2100s don't)?

Thanks!

No.
post #1860 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

Until XBMC supports copy-protected channels, I have to stick with WMC. there is no sense to switch to something That only can watch half the channels.

+1

That's why I am not sticking with Sage for tV ...
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