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post #2941 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

So is this streaming that 28Mbps average mkv to your xBox without issue? Have you tried it with the Echo yet?
My Echo hasn't arrived yet.
post #2942 of 7721
So I remuxed to m2ts with AVC and AC-3. The Echo gave me the codec not available error (although MS makes that cryptic and once upon a time i didn't now wth it meant, I do now) then the Echo locked up. The mwts plays fine on my HTPC using MPC-HC with LAV. I haven't tried it in the native WMC player yet because the Movies thing in WMC is lame because you cannot get the media details so I don't know which Casino Royale to pick. I suppose I could temporarily disable MPC-HC as the player in MB but the Lakers are on in 2 minutes..
post #2943 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

So I remuxed to m2ts with AVC and AC-3. The Echo gave me the codec not available error (although MS makes that cryptic and once upon a time i didn't now wth it meant, I do now) then the Echo locked up. The mwts plays fine on my HTPC using MPC-HC with LAV. I haven't tried it in the native WMC player yet because the Movies thing in WMC is lame because you cannot get the media details so I don't know which Casino Royale to pick. I suppose I could temporarily disable MPC-HC as the player in MB but the Lakers are on in 2 minutes..

Like I mentioned before, if you have Shaky007 installed, the default Shaky007 setting will not let you stream m2ts to any client, WMC or DLNA. You can play locally on the PC but streaming is totally broken. I have to tweak a few settings to get my m2ts back. One of the reason why I don't want to install 3rd party codec in the first place.
Edited by Foxbat121 - 11/9/12 at 8:03pm
post #2944 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

Like I mentioned before, the default Shaky007 setting will not let you stream m2ts to any client, WMC or DLNA. You can play locally on the PC but streaming is totally broken. I have to tweak a few settings to get my m2ts back. One of the reason why I don't want to install 3rd party codec in the first place.

What settings did you use? Maybe post a screenshot? The thing is is that I don't want to break HD Audio playback and I want to keep LiveTV working too on my HTPC. I think the Echo should work with a pretty typical HTPC setup like mine without me having to remux files and tweak codecs that work perfectly fine on my HTPC right now.
post #2945 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

What settings did you use? Maybe post a screenshot? The thing is is that I don't want to break HD Audio playback and I want to keep LiveTV working too on my HTPC. I think the Echo should work with a pretty typical HTPC setup like mine without me having to remux files and tweak codecs that work perfectly fine on my HTPC right now.
to tell you the truth, I can't nail it down to the exact setting. The problem here is not Echo but your PC side that can only stream one format and corrupt the other. To stream both m2ts and mkv requires black magic to configure the stupid codec pack.

I have to remote desktop to my PC to make changes then try it on my xbox native video player, not extender mode(it is easier to test this way without WMC in the middle). Back and forth many times to make it work. The default suggested setting on Shaky007 tries to disable Media Foundation which will break WMC TV playback. Fortunately, it didn't work in 64-bit mode.
post #2946 of 7721
I'm not breaking LiveTV to playback catalog titles from my library on my Echo. This is something that should just work. Period.
post #2947 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

What settings did you use? Maybe post a screenshot? The thing is is that I don't want to break HD Audio playback and I want to keep LiveTV working too on my HTPC. I think the Echo should work with a pretty typical HTPC setup like mine without me having to remux files and tweak codecs that work perfectly fine on my HTPC right now.
to tell you the truth, I can't nail it down to the exact setting. The problem here is not Echo but your PC side that can only stream one format and corrupt the other. To stream both m2ts and mkv requires black magic to configure the stupid codec pack.

I have to remote desktop to my PC to make changes then try it on my xbox native video player, not extender mode(it is easier to test this way without WMC in the middle). Back and forth many times to make it work. The default suggested setting on Shaky007 tries to disable Media Foundation which will break WMC TV playback. Fortunately, it didn't work in 64-bit mode.

Odd! I have never had an issue with using Shark007 (only been using for a few weeks) but no issue here. I have been able to do both MKV and M2TS as well as Live TV fine. I have greater success today with files to my xbox360 than my echo but that's expected given current echo audio/video limitations
post #2948 of 7721
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Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

Odd! I have never had an issue with using Shark007 (only been using for a few weeks) but no issue here. I have been able to do both MKV and M2TS as well as Live TV fine. I have greater success today with files to my xbox360 than my echo but that's expected given current echo audio/video limitations

Yeah, I cant get 720p mkv's with AC-3 with low bit rates to play but the 1080p HD ones with 20~30Mbps are not playing at all. Can you get this bit rate to stream to the xBox now?
Edited by Sammy2 - 11/10/12 at 7:40am
post #2949 of 7721
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Odd! I have never had an issue with using Shark007 (only been using for a few weeks) but no issue here. I have been able to do both MKV and M2TS as well as Live TV fine. I have greater success today with files to my xbox360 than my echo but that's expected given current echo audio/video limitations

Yeah, I cant get 720p mkv's with AC-3 with low bit rates to play but the 1080p HD ones with 20~30Mbps are not playing at all. Can you get this bit rate to stream to the xBox now?

some do some don't. I posted an example of one I did earlier.
Edited by mariob33 - 11/10/12 at 7:42am
post #2950 of 7721
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some do some don't. I posted an example of one I did earlier.

I meant to say "can" instead of "can't". Fixed now.

EDIT1: I saw that you did that file earlier 15Mpbs isn't too bad. The one I'm trying to force to play is 25Mbps once I went from PCM (30Mbps, total) to AC-3 and switched it to m2ts (which is apparently a change in file extension but not necessarily a change in container.. whatever that means). Of course this is lossless to lossy which is less than ideal.

EDIT2: What splitter are you using? I'm using LAV for MB/MPC-HC but am not sure if that is what is loading natively in WMC. Either way, it is playing on my HTPC and not on my echo.
Edited by Sammy2 - 11/10/12 at 7:57am
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m2ts is natively supported by Win7. mkv is not. With an extender, there is really no difference between m2ts and mkv because extender's can't use the chapter points and subtitles that mkvs support anyway. The Shaky codec pack is really problematic for me on both my Win7 WMC machine and WHS server. If all I have on the network is Echo, honestly, I will convert to m2ts files. Unfortunately, I have a Sony BD player that can stream full bit rate BD rip. So, I need to setup one of my PC to stream mkv in order to have proper chapter browsing and subtitle.
post #2952 of 7721
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Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

some do some don't. I posted an example of one I did earlier.

I meant to say "can" instead of "can't". Fixed now.

EDIT1: I saw that you did that file earlier 15Mpbs isn't too bad. The one I'm trying to force to play is 25Mbps once I went from PCM (30Mbps, total) to AC-3 and switched it to m2ts (which is apparently a change in file extension but not necessarily a change in container.. whatever that means). Of course this is lossless to lossy which is less than ideal.

EDIT2: What splitter are you using? I'm using LAV for MB/MPC-HC but am not sure if that is what is loading natively in WMC. Either way, it is playing on my HTPC and not on my echo.


1. I have been able to play via the xbox360 many high bit rate file types. Some like Avengers remuxed in both m2ts and WTV @ greater than 25Mbps play beautifully on the Xbox but completely hose the echo.

A perfect example is a recent Madagascar remux I made for the kiddies to watch via Xbox upstairs in the bedroom. the Xbox had no problem handling the WTV file and just spits out the lossy core for the audio and a decent 1080p/60 picture. The WTV version played fine but the m2ts stuttered badly.

I rendered both via graphstudio on the htpc and its identical. So, IMO it's a combination of things and not just the codec pack.

2. I am using LAV for everything via the Shark pack. Try using graphstudio and see how things are rendering, should give a solid idea.

By the way, before installing shark recently I had 0 problems using only LAV via the htpc. As a matter of fact all of my htpc minus this one only use LAV standalone.
post #2953 of 7721
I just got my echo and can't access the forums so I'm going to post this question here. I plugged in the echo and it never gets past the ceton screen. Any fix for this?
post #2954 of 7721
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Originally Posted by tkole View Post

I just got my echo and can't access the forums so I'm going to post this question here. I plugged in the echo and it never gets past the ceton screen. Any fix for this?

You have network cable also plugged in? Try it direct to TV Also if you happen to be going through avr.
post #2955 of 7721
I have it connected directly with network cable plugged in. It's been hung up on the ceton screen for over 10 minutes. It responds to the on/off commands but nothing else.
post #2956 of 7721
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Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

1. I have been able to play via the xbox360 many high bit rate file types. Some like Avengers remuxed in both m2ts and WTV @ greater than 25Mbps play beautifully on the Xbox but completely hose the echo.
A perfect example is a recent Madagascar remux I made for the kiddies to watch via Xbox upstairs in the bedroom. the Xbox had no problem handling the WTV file and just spits out the lossy core for the audio and a decent 1080p/60 picture. The WTV version played fine but the m2ts stuttered badly.
I rendered both via graphstudio on the htpc and its identical. So, IMO it's a combination of things and not just the codec pack.
2. I am using LAV for everything via the Shark pack. Try using graphstudio and see how things are rendering, should give a solid idea.
By the way, before installing shark recently I had 0 problems using only LAV via the htpc. As a matter of fact all of my htpc minus this one only use LAV standalone.

m2ts stuttering is a typical synptom of interferences from splitters. I had such problem with halli splitter in the past.
post #2957 of 7721
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Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

1. I have been able to play via the xbox360 many high bit rate file types. Some like Avengers remuxed in both m2ts and WTV @ greater than 25Mbps play beautifully on the Xbox but completely hose the echo.
A perfect example is a recent Madagascar remux I made for the kiddies to watch via Xbox upstairs in the bedroom. the Xbox had no problem handling the WTV file and just spits out the lossy core for the audio and a decent 1080p/60 picture. The WTV version played fine but the m2ts stuttered badly.
I rendered both via graphstudio on the htpc and its identical. So, IMO it's a combination of things and not just the codec pack.
2. I am using LAV for everything via the Shark pack. Try using graphstudio and see how things are rendering, should give a solid idea.
By the way, before installing shark recently I had 0 problems using only LAV via the htpc. As a matter of fact all of my htpc minus this one only use LAV standalone.

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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

m2ts stuttering is a typical synptom of interferences from splitters. I had such problem with halli splitter in the past.

Here's the graphs:





I'm wondering if the Echo is crashing because I have LAV video set to do CUVID hardware acceleration with my nVidia GT 430 video card?
post #2958 of 7721
Your echo is suppose to decode the H.264 video by itself, not depending on your PC to do it. If your PC is decoding it, it has to re-encode it into another format that is possible to send over the network. I know Echo currently doesn't support MPEG1 video from the known bug list.

Here is my graph

Edited by Foxbat121 - 11/10/12 at 6:39pm
post #2959 of 7721
If that's a 1080 rip the echo will crash. Every 1080 I have sent to the echo no matter has crashed it. Until they get mpeg support its moot trying to get the echo to do anything with it.
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Here's the graph for the wtv file that I just created from the m2ts that I created earlier which plays on the echo but has some drops and macrobloching:

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It looks like as long as Microsoft DTV-DVD video decoder is used, it will play on extenders.
post #2962 of 7721
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Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

If that's a 1080 rip the echo will crash. Every 1080 I have sent to the echo no matter has crashed it. Until they get mpeg support its moot trying to get the echo to do anything with it.

This is a 1080p24 wtv file. It did not crash but it was not completely watchable either so I stopped watching it and don't know if it would crash later.

It took 3½ hours to make it too. It plays well on my HTPC.
Edited by Sammy2 - 11/10/12 at 7:55pm
post #2963 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

Your echo is suppose to decode the H.264 video by itself, not depending on your PC to do it. If your PC is decoding it, it has to re-encode it into another format that is possible to send over the network. I know Echo currently doesn't support MPEG1 video from the known bug list.
Here is my graph

I could not get the file I'm testing to play in m2ts format. It looks like you did.
post #2964 of 7721
I uploaded two sample H.264 1080p Handbrake encodes for the Ceton team per their request. It does not appear this will make the next firmware.
post #2965 of 7721
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Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

If that's a 1080 rip the echo will crash. Every 1080 I have sent to the echo no matter has crashed it. Until they get mpeg support its moot trying to get the echo to do anything with it.

This is a 1080p24 wtv file. It did not crash but it was not completely watchable either so I stopped watching it and don't know if it would crash later.

It took 3½ hours to make it too. It plays well on my HTPC.

what is the audio/video (wtv like mkv etc)? The challenge with WTV is that the content is normally stored MPEG-2 video and either MPEG-1 Layer II or AC-3 (DD).
post #2966 of 7721
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Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

what is the audio/video (wtv like mkv etc)? The challenge with WTV is that the content is normally stored MPEG-2 video and either MPEG-1 Layer II or AC-3 (DD).

I made the wtv from the following m2ts which was made from an mkv that was ripped from my disc.
Code:
General 
ID : 1 (0x1) 
Complete name : R:\Public Video\Bond\Casino Royale (2006)\Casino_Royal_t00.m2ts 
Format : MPEG-TS 
File size : 25.8 GiB 
Duration : 2h 24mn 
Overall bit rate mode : Variable 
Overall bit rate : 25.6 Mbps 
Maximum Overall bit rate : 35.5 Mbps 

Video 
ID : 4113 (0x1011) 
Menu ID : 1 (0x1) 
Format : AVC 
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec 
Format profile : High@L4.1 
Format settings, CABAC : Yes 
Format settings, ReFrames : 2 frames 
Codec ID : 27 
Duration : 2h 24mn 
Bit rate mode : Variable 
Bit rate : 23.9 Mbps 
Width : 1 920 pixels 
Height : 1 080 pixels 
Display aspect ratio : 16:9 
Frame rate : 23.976 fps 
Color space : YUV 
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 
Bit depth : 8 bits 
Scan type : Progressive 
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.480 
Stream size : 24.0 GiB (93%) 

Audio 
ID : 4352 (0x1100) 
Menu ID : 1 (0x1) 
Format : AC-3 
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3 
Mode extension : CM (complete main) 
Codec ID : 129 
Duration : 2h 24mn 
Bit rate mode : Constant 
Bit rate : 448 Kbps 
Channel(s) : 6 channels 
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE 
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz 
Bit depth : 16 bits 
Compression mode : Lossy 
Stream size : 462 MiB (2%)

Media info doesn't read the metadata from wtv files, apparently.
post #2967 of 7721
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what is the audio/video (wtv like mkv etc)? The challenge with WTV is that the content is normally stored MPEG-2 video and either MPEG-1 Layer II or AC-3 (DD).

WTV can support h264 or mpeg2. I have all of my moves in wtv containers encoded in h264/ac3 medium bitrate (10-15mb/s). All but a handful are 1080p. Plays back great on the echo or xbox, complete w/ rew and ff. No splitter or codec pack necessary.
post #2968 of 7721
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Media info doesn't read the metadata from wtv files, apparently.

ffprobe can read wtv streams.
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I found the download page for ffprobe but it is command line. I'm having difficulty finding the command line syntax to analyze a particular file. Do you know where this is or do you know what commands to execute to get the results I am looking for? I'm pretty sure it is something like
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"path"/ffprobe.exe "path"/mediafilename.wtv
, am I correct?
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A different question for those of you that have the Echo...

Will it send a "Wake on LAN" or "Magic Packet"? I have one of these on pre-order, but my MC Box sleeps unless it is called to record. It is in my basement.

I sure hope I can wake it up with the Echo - if not, that would be a show-stopper for me.

Thanks for any feedback!

Ray
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