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post #3691 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Biggen_PCB View Post

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Isn't that the point of the beta? To fix issues BEFORE release? Look, I have been around long enough to know that it is impossible to to fix every bug before release. But Ceton thought it would be wise to work on getting it to support Android instead of fixing the numerous bugs that were well documented on this forum, their forum, and elsewhere...
So it just seems to hard to swallow the "everyone be calm its bleeding edge" routine while they were off working on Android. And lets be honest, there is no such thing as a bleeding edge MCX. The Xbox has been doing it for years now.

I don't think fixing MCX bugs and working on Android are mutually exclusive. There are two totally different programming languages involved, and it is likely that the resources working on Android aren't specialized in programming the MCX part of the firmware. Also, visiting the Freescale website shows that they basically provide the basic source for Android, so there probably isn't much work to do in order to get it running anyway.
post #3692 of 7721
Oh I love a good flaming now and then so Bring It!!

But right now I need to get some work done..
post #3693 of 7721
Looks like the PCB has a spot for a wifi chip, or bluetooth, or both. Just above that spot you see some sort of antenna built into a PCB trace.

edit: also, the spot for the sata port also kinda hints that it's not the lite CPU, since that doesn't have onboard sata according the the spec posted in the review.
post #3694 of 7721
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Originally Posted by jeonunh View Post

... visiting the Freescale website shows that they basically provide the basic source for Android, so there probably isn't much work to do in order to get it running anyway.

Especially if the base os is already Android. There is alway's that possibiltiy. And it's just not expossed as yet. Just a thought.
Edited by skybolt - 11/30/12 at 10:00am
post #3695 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Oh I love a good flaming now and then so Bring It!!
But right now I need to get some work done..

No flame, I think we all know how you feel about the Echo and Ceton in general. I think there may have been a little disconnect with "Bleeding Edge" tech.

This thread has been a bit more heated then most. Everyone has there day, mine was the other day. rolleyes.gif
post #3696 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Diverge View Post

Looks like the PCB has a spot for a wifi chip, or bluetooth, or both. Just above that spot you see some sort of antenna built into a PCB trace.
edit: also, the spot for the sata port also kinda hints that it's not the lite CPU, since that doesn't have onboard sata according the the spec posted in the review.

I am having a real hard time seeing anything in that picture. I downloaded it an loaded it up in Windows Photo Viewer to enlarge it but the pixels are not tight enough to read the text. How are you guys doing this?
post #3697 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Ahh, The xBox v Echo discussion again. I don't think the xBox will EVER run android but the Echo will and sooner rather than later.

I'm not so sure what Android can bring it to the table. I got multiple Android phones and tablets. But when it comes to TV set top boxes, Google has nothing but failed product history: Google TV and Q.
post #3698 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

I am having a real hard time seeing anything in that picture. I downloaded it an loaded it up in Windows Photo Viewer to enlarge it but the pixels are not tight enough to read the text. How are you guys doing this?

put mouse pointer on the picture, and you'll see a + icon to the top right of it that lets you view zoomed in version.
post #3699 of 7721
ceton's going to have me send back my echo. i went through their "recovery" mechanism, and the echo locked up and never came back - even after rebooting.

and this one's basically on me, but my plasma now has some nifty burn-in from the static "ceton" text on the recovery screen. 6 years of using it, and this is how it gets dinged for the first time. blargh.
post #3700 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Diverge View Post

put mouse pointer on the picture, and you'll see a + icon to the top right of it that lets you view zoomed in version.

Thanks. Still hard to see. Maybe that is why I don't see the 1080i issue as much as the rest of you!
post #3701 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

I'm not so sure what Android can bring it to the table. I got multiple Android phones and tablets. But when it comes to TV set top boxes, Google has nothing but failed product history: Google TV and Q.

The Q hasn't been released. What does that have to do with Google anyhow? And it doesn't have to have anything to do with Google TV either. Ceton can do what they wish with android, don't you think? Think outside the tablet, phone or Google TV.
post #3702 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

The Q hasn't been released. What does that have to do with Google anyhow? And it doesn't have to have anything to do with Google TV either. Ceton can do what they wish with android, don't you think? Think outside the tablet, phone or Google TV.

He's talking about Google's Q device. Which was released then put on hold. It was a stupid concept anyway. It was just a media streamer when it should have been Google's own version of Google TV.
post #3703 of 7721
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Originally Posted by motz2k1 View Post

The reason that Android is coming in a future update is that our primary focus through the beta and currently is on the extender software on Echo.

Are you adding Android app support through something like Alien Dalvik or some flavor of Dalvik or are you really going to run Android in some way?
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On a side note, according to this page, the SoC is supposed to be 1GHz, not 1.2GHz like the slides in the review showed http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/taxonomy.jsp?code=IMX6X_SERIES

but then here it says up to 1.2... http://www.freescale.com/files/graphic/block_diagram/IMX6X_FAMILY_BD2.html?keepThis=true&TB_iframe=true&height=480&width=950
post #3705 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

I'm not so sure what Android can bring it to the table. I got multiple Android phones and tablets. But when it comes to TV set top boxes, Google has nothing but failed product history: Google TV and Q.

Errr - XBMC?! Netflix?! HBO Go?!

xnappo
post #3706 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Diverge View Post

He's talking about Google's Q device. Which was released then put on hold. It was a stupid concept anyway. It was just a media streamer when it should have been Google's own version of Google TV.

Oh, I never knew that existed because I always thought the whole Google TV concept was lame so I never followed it much. I was too busy configuring an HTPC and optimizing my network to care I guess.
post #3707 of 7721
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Originally Posted by xnappo View Post

Errr - XBMC?! Netflix?! HBO Go?!
xnappo

PLEX too.
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I did some more digging trying to find the datasheet for the exact SoC in the echo and came across this from one of their datasheets.


Seems the echo is a prototype sample, dual core, Automotive grade and 1.0GHz w/o HDCP.

PCIMX6D6AVT 10AC
post #3709 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Diverge View Post

I did some more digging trying to find the datasheet for the exact SoC in the echo and came across this from one of their datasheets.

Seems the echo is a prototype sample, dual core, Automotive grade and 1.0GHz w/o HDCP.
PCIMX6D6AVT 10AC

Well that is how I read that too, but something's got to be different because it obviously supports HDCP?
post #3710 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Well that is how I read that too, but something's got to be different because it obviously supports HDCP?

who's to say that the extender needs to if it's all over RDP or whatever it uses.

edit: obviously I don't know much about the extender spec's and if it needs HDCP or not. But according to the part-number it doesn't have it so I guess it's not required confused.gif
Edited by Diverge - 11/30/12 at 11:10am
post #3711 of 7721
Epic Fail

Got the Echo, it replaced an Xbox360 that was running as an extender. Upon firing it up, it seemed to update OK. I got the WMC code for adding it as an extender.

The firmware listed was 2012.1127.2101, is that the latest?

After entering the code, it seemed to link up fine to the Host PC. The MC menu was displayed on the Echo/TV, but the remote keys didn't seem to work; I couldn't move around the menu.

Off key worked fine (like the On key did when I booted it the first time). Now when I hit the On key, I get the Ceton logo, and underneath 'recovering...'.

And there it sits, probably for all eternity, as least as far as I can discern.

Also, the Echo WMC plug in won't show up in Extras Library. Bummer. I put in a Support Ticket. Now I wait.

***Ahh, I see you have to access the Plug in from the extender, not the Host PC, do I have that right?***

***Well, bummer, RMA time. Guess the Xbox360 goes back in place***
Edited by flipper59 - 11/30/12 at 12:43pm
post #3712 of 7721
The extender is connected to my AVR and HDTV via HDMI so doesn't it need HDCP?
post #3713 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Diverge View Post

I did some more digging trying to find the datasheet for the exact SoC in the echo and came across this from one of their datasheets.

Seems the echo is a prototype sample, dual core, Automotive grade and 1.0GHz w/o HDCP.
PCIMX6D6AVT 10AC

Very interesting. What is this "EPD" that it doesn't have? Probably not important since it looks like most versions don't have it. The HDCP part has me a bit worried.... Is it possible to support HDCP through software?
post #3714 of 7721
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Originally Posted by jeonunh View Post

Very interesting. What is this "EPD" that it doesn't have? Probably not important since it looks like most versions don't have it. The HDCP part has me a bit worried.... Is it possible to support HDCP through software?

EPD doesn't pertain to the echo's use. " Electronic Paper Display (EPD) for eBooks" or "ElectroPhoretic Display" https://community.freescale.com/community/the-embedded-beat/blog/2012/08/16/electronic-paper-illuminates-a-larger-set-of-apps

edit: I'm more concerned about them being prototype samples rather than production parts. That's usually when the device is still in development and bugs aren't always found, and ATE test's aren't always complete or production ready.
Edited by Diverge - 11/30/12 at 11:27am
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As long as Freescale has started regular production and didn't need to make any revision changes I'm not concerned that these are tagged as prototypes. I'm sure Freescale wouldn't have let the chips into the wild if they had planned more changes. Ceton probably just took what was available on the shelf to hit the delivery date.
post #3716 of 7721
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Originally Posted by radams927 View Post

ceton's going to have me send back my echo. i went through their "recovery" mechanism, and the echo locked up and never came back - even after rebooting.
and this one's basically on me, but my plasma now has some nifty burn-in from the static "ceton" text on the recovery screen. 6 years of using it, and this is how it gets dinged for the first time. blargh.

FYI, Plasmas are subject to temporary image retention - if you leave text on them for 10-15 minutes, you will see this. After about an hour of normal TV viewing, it will go away.
post #3717 of 7721
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Originally Posted by xnappo View Post

Errr - XBMC?! Netflix?! HBO Go?!
xnappo

Yes but that's through a differant interface other than WMC. If WMC interface is not used, you can get that from other device's? I really don't see the point of Android either, it just clogs up the device.

Unless your now wanting an android tablet on you're TV that supports WMC. They have that already, it's called Pivos, but instead of WMC it supports XBMC.
post #3718 of 7721
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Originally Posted by dexter999 View Post

Since these are shipping from Amazon & newegg, wouldn't that imply that the beta is over?
You would think so, but we were informed by Ceton that the units being shipped do not yet have the final firmware and neither do the beta testers. I would assume that it will be distributed in the next few days or so.

FWIW, the beta testing program is still in progress. I'm not sure how this will work but I get the impression that the beta testers will be guinea pigs for new features before the rest of the population. The question remains that if this holds true, how do we update our Echoes without everyone else getting it?
Edited by captain_video - 11/30/12 at 11:45am
post #3719 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Bryan_CoxPHX View Post

Three Quick Questions:
1) Are there any Cox customers that have tested the Echo with the Plus Package (H.264) Copy-Once channels, and do they display correctly.
2) Does the Echo support 1080i yet.
3) Does the Echo support 1080p MP4 and MKV

1) Tested on Comast so I can't speak for Cox
2) The current firmware does not output 1080i native. 1080i is supported in 720p and 1080p, but the stutter issue is not resolved.
3) H.264 MP4 playback is poor at the moment. 720p and 1080p are a no go for sure. Some DVD rips don't play well.
post #3720 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Diverge View Post

... edit: I'm more concerned about them being prototype samples rather than production parts. That's usually when the device is still in development and bugs aren't always found, and ATE test's aren't always complete or production ready.

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