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Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

both devices require line of sight for the remote to work. so hiding either is a 50/50 proposition

You can use a repeater as well.

USB Powered IR Repeater
post #3992 of 7721
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Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

both devices require line of sight for the remote to work. so hiding either is a 50/50 proposition
I don't know about the xbox, but the Ceton works fine behind the TV without an IR repeater/extender.
post #3993 of 7721
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Originally Posted by pnkflyd51 View Post

Has anyone programmed the Echo to work with a Logitech Harmony Remote yet? I bought some refurbed Harmony 300i's on Newegg... There are a few options for MCE equipment- was wondering if anyone has already done my homework for me to figure out which existing profile works best for the Echo...
Ceton- if you're reading, it would be a good thing to work with Logitech to get a Harmony profile going for the Echo. The refurbed 300i is short money...

I use my H-900 as programed for my HTPC and it works just fine. I have to unplug the HTPC dongle to prevent unwanted commands from getting to the HTPC though. It is programmed for the Media Center PC Special Edition codes.
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Originally Posted by kmp14 View Post

Seems that people think the stutter (chugging) is network related. I don't think so. If it was, then the problem would happen when the echo was set to output 720p, but from what I am seeing it only happens when the echo is set to 1080i or p. My assumption is that the raw file is served to the echo, and that the echo takes that file and ouputs it at the resolution option selected. It seems unlikely that the server pc is actually transcoding the file to the echo resolution setting.
In other words, the recording is streamed to the echo as a raw file, and the echo converts to 720p or 1080(i,p) as defined in the settings, so the same number of bits are going from server to echo, regardless of echo resolution setting.
Sure seems like that would be the way it would work, but I might be wrong.
I just dont want people wasting time tinkering with network config if that is not what causes this (which I doubt since my old DMA2100s work fine off the same switch as my stuttery echo).

Maybe, but the settings for video are in the application loaded on the PC so maybe the work is being done there. Michael knows. He programed it.
post #3995 of 7721
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Originally Posted by pnkflyd51 View Post

Has anyone programmed the Echo to work with a Logitech Harmony Remote yet? I bought some refurbed Harmony 300i's on Newegg... There are a few options for MCE equipment- was wondering if anyone has already done my homework for me to figure out which existing profile works best for the Echo...
Ceton- if you're reading, it would be a good thing to work with Logitech to get a Harmony profile going for the Echo. The refurbed 300i is short money...

I used Media Center PC, Microsoft, and typed in "Media Center Extender" for the model. I got a warning saying it may not work but I continued anyway. After the device was entered I had to connect my harmony with the USB cable and do a few button presses with the echo remote. It's working well for me.
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Originally Posted by tlniec View Post

Watching very closely for video artifacts, or for potential wardrobe malfunctions? biggrin.gif
Let's just say I was watching closely for everything. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by EAS View Post

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Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

So what! That Would work on an Xbox as well. So your position is what? I can pay more to get a feature that is free via Xbox. Ever hear of Xbox smartglass?
http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/4/3062660/microsoft-xbox-smart-glass-app
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/smartglass

Well. You said:
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Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

The ability to hide or place behind isn't that relative due to both requiring an RF extender to place behind anything. .

I'm just saying that isn't true.

I can be a little clearer and say that its difficult to put an xbox behind a tv mounted to the wall and have it be appealing.

I think you just want to argue.

Not trying to argue. The reaction was to your assertion of who the "target" of the echo was/is. And because the OP wasn't willing to tout the virtues of the echo he was somehow not Ceton's target. All I was saying is you need to do more than just stick it to the back of the TV and bang.

IMO, sometimes the baby is really that ugly and it might take a few years (or not) for the kid to get cute.
Edited by mariob33 - 12/5/12 at 3:08pm
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Originally Posted by P Seastrand View Post

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Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

both devices require line of sight for the remote to work. so hiding either is a 50/50 proposition
I don't know about the xbox, but the Ceton works fine behind the TV without an IR repeater/extender.

Not my unit and It was stated over and over on the Beta forum (and I have tried) how the echo required/s the remote to be pointed directly at the unit or else the commands are very spotty.
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Originally Posted by EAS View Post

I fixed that for you.
Actually you didn't fix it for me - I meant exactly what I wrote. Ceton has announced that Android support will be added, so that means that the Echo should be more than just an extender before too long. At that point it comes down to a choice between extender + gaming + some apps (as long as you pay for XBOX Live) or extender + android support (whatever that ends up actually meaning, of course) + small + silent + runs cool.
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At least color code it copycat.
Agreed - if you edit a quote at least make it clear where the edit was. It's not at all cool to change someone's words, but still attribute the modified post to their name without making it very clear what was changed.
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

The beta program was too short but I think these issues will be hammered out soon.
IMHO, the public beta started too soon relative to where they were in their development cycle. As others have mentioned before, a public beta should actually be very close to production ready and have most, if not all, major functionality working. The point should be to identify issues that can only be found with a larger sample set of interactions between hardware to work with. Basic stuff like 1080p output and bitstreaming Dolby Digital should have been working.
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Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

both devices require line of sight for the remote to work. so hiding either is a 50/50 proposition
There are several ways to deal with line of sight, some of which have already been mentioned. They include using an IR repeater system, the Ceton Companion app, a Windows Media Center USB IR receiver plugged into the Echo's USB port, and any other smart phone app out there that can control an XBOX. Ceton has also said that they'll be providing HDMI CEC control at some point - assuming that happens, you would be able to use the TV's remote to control the Echo.
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

That is a good point. Can multiple smart phones have the companion running on them to control the same device?
Yes - I have the Ceton Companion App installed on both my iPad and iPhone.
post #4000 of 7721
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Actually you didn't fix it for me - I meant exactly what I wrote. Ceton has announced that Android support will be added, so that means that the Echo should be more than just an extender before too long. At that point it comes down to a choice between extender + gaming + some apps (as long as you pay for XBOX Live) or extender + android support (whatever that ends up actually meaning, of course) + small + silent + runs cool.

Android isn't on the product page nor is the "feature" described in any detail about what it might be. I think its safer to say that the product as launched is the product as described on its product page which is a WMC extender only. Anyone that bought one assumed it was only a WMC extender. If you buy one today that is all you get, No?
Edited by EAS - 12/5/12 at 4:13pm
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Ceton posted a good status update on the Echo over on their blog. To Ceton guys following this thread, thanks! This is pretty much the kind of communication I was looking for more of during the beta.
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Originally Posted by reggie14 View Post

Ceton posted a good status update on the Echo over on their blog. To Ceton guys following this thread, thanks! This is pretty much the kind of communication I was looking for more of during the beta.

Thanks for posting this! Great acknowledgment and acceptance by Ceton.
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Originally Posted by reggie14 View Post

Ceton posted a good status update on the Echo over on their blog. To Ceton guys following this thread, thanks! This is pretty much the kind of communication I was looking for more of during the beta.

Yes, continued communication like this would be much appreciated. Otherwise, they leave themselves open to the conjecture and rumors that have plagued this thread since the beta. Acknowledgement that they are working on the issues that plague early adopters go a long way towards appeasement.
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Originally Posted by hogues View Post

I fixed it for you.

I think this practice of altering a forum members quoted text should be banned.
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Originally Posted by kmp14 View Post

Seems that people think the stutter (chugging) is network related. I don't think so. ...

It definetly is not network releated. I just bought a new 4gb slim last week, it plays perfect (TV, not stream) . I hook the echo to the same feed and wow, not watchable.
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Originally Posted by EAS View Post

Android isn't on the product page nor is the "feature" described in any detail about what it might be. I think its safer to say that the product as launched is the product as described on its product page which is a WMC extender only. Anyone that bought one assumed it was only a WMC extender. If you buy one today that is all you get, No?
Did you actually READ my post??? I wrote:

"that means that the Echo should be more than just an extender before too long. At that point"

Note that I wrote "should be" and "at that point" - meaning that the feature doesn't exist on the product today.

Ceton employees have mentioned it here and it's mentioned on their blog:
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In addition to the Windows Media Center improvements above, we’re are also hard at work readying a Winter update that will bring Android to your Ceton Echo. Please stay tuned for more information on that!

If I were in the market for an extender and was considering an Echo or XBOX, would I buy an Echo today assuming that Android will show up in a few weeks? Absolutely not because stuff can happen that could cause the feature to never show up and it's not yet clear what the exact functionality will be. And as just an extender today, I wouldn't buy it until the core extender functionality is working properly. Would I hold off on deciding between an Echo and an XBOX until I see how the Echo feature set and bugs get sorted out? Absolutely. In my case I would be replacing an XBOX and I'm not sure I really care all that much about the Android support anyway, so there's no hurry.

I find it a bit amusing that you suggested that someone else just wanted to argue. rolleyes.gif
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Originally Posted by t-c View Post

I think this practice of altering a forum members quoted text should be banned.

I agree, poor judgment on my part. I deleted it.
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Originally Posted by t-c View Post

I think this practice of altering a forum members quoted text should be banned.
Yeah - it's one thing to trim down a long post to only include the relevant context that's being replied to. It's yet another to re-word things and attribute the new text to the original poster. If it were to get out of hand, the best solution is for the person being misquoted / edited to report the post and ask the moderators to handle it.
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Did you actually READ my post???

Yes. I wasn't responding to your follow up. Just clarifying the original response where I qualified your statement by injecting "only". It was simple and not complicated. I hope that helps. You went on to include other things.
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Yeah - it's one thing to trim down a long post to only include the relevant context that's being replied to. It's yet another to re-word things and attribute the new text to the original poster. If it were to get out of hand, the best solution is for the person being misquoted / edited to report the post and ask the moderators to handle it.

Do you guys use other forums?

Google FTFY. Its a pretty common thing in forums.
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Originally Posted by reggie14 View Post

Ceton posted a good status update on the Echo over on their blog.

Unfortunately no mention of Windows 8 or DTS but hopefully those are high on the list anyways...
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Originally Posted by EAS View Post

Do you guys use other forums?
Google FTFY. Its a pretty common thing in forums.

Yea I use other forums whose moderators have already banned this crap.
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Originally Posted by t-c View Post

Yea I use other forums whose moderators have already banned this crap.
Yeah - I never thought the "everyone else is doing it" argument was a very good one. "Everyone else is doing drugs, and you won't be considered cool if you don't." I guess I'm happy with not being cool smile.gif. Seriously though, there's a fine line between a mild FTFY edit (usually intended to add some levity) and completely re-wording something to completely lose what the original comment meant that shouldn't be crossed.
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Yeah - I never thought the "everyone else is doing it" argument was a very good one. "Everyone else is doing drugs, and you won't be considered cool if you don't." I guess I'm happy with not being cool smile.gif. Seriously though, there's a fine line between a mild FTFY edit (usually intended to add some levity) and completely re-wording something to completely lose what the original comment meant that shouldn't be crossed.

Ride the fine line all you want but it's total crap to alter someone elses quoted text in a forum thread. It degrades the whole forum and the moderators should ban the practice.
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Originally Posted by t-c View Post

Ride the fine line all you want but it's total crap to alter someone elses quoted text in a forum thread. It degrades the whole forum and the moderators should ban the practice.

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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Yeah - I never thought the "everyone else is doing it" argument was a very good one. "Everyone else is doing drugs, and you won't be considered cool if you don't." I guess I'm happy with not being cool smile.gif. Seriously though, there's a fine line between a mild FTFY edit (usually intended to add some levity) and completely re-wording something to completely lose what the original comment meant that shouldn't be crossed.

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Originally Posted by EAS View Post

Do you guys use other forums?
Google FTFY. Its a pretty common thing in forums.

Will all of you please shut up? Nobody cares except you. Take it to PM and you can argue with each other all day.
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Originally Posted by Munkee Boy View Post

Will all of you please shut up? Nobody cares except you. Take it to PM and you can argue with each other all day.
Thank you Mr. Moderator wink.gif. Seriously though, point taken and I certainly have no interest in continuing that line of discussion - PM or otherwise.
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+1 Munkee Boy wink.gif
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I am very happy to see this information from Ceton! They really needed to post a blog with updates.

They will make these units right!

Ray
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Originally Posted by pnkflyd51 View Post

Has anyone programmed the Echo to work with a Logitech Harmony Remote yet? I bought some refurbed Harmony 300i's on Newegg... There are a few options for MCE equipment- was wondering if anyone has already done my homework for me to figure out which existing profile works best for the Echo...
Ceton- if you're reading, it would be a good thing to work with Logitech to get a Harmony profile going for the Echo. The refurbed 300i is short money...

I have the remote you listed and I am using the basic Media Center profile. Works fine.
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Originally Posted by realtight View Post

I have the remote you listed and I am using the basic Media Center profile. Works fine.

+1. I'm using the same profile with my Harmony that i had for my HTPC and it works great, didn't have to change a thing. It's been years since i set it up, but i think i just chose a generic microsoft media center pc as the profile.
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