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post #5131 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

They looked almost the same to me but can you upload maybe a minute clip rather than a 15 second clip?

Maybe the new firmware has fixed the problem. You would have to be blind not to notice the difference with the old firmware.

I sure hope that's the case.
post #5132 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Win7 does everything I need for HTPC use and PC use as well for that matter.

How long will it be sold? Might as well stock up. Oh wait already did that.

lol, the future is Windows 7. For you maybe...
post #5133 of 7721
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Originally Posted by t-c View Post

lol, the future is Windows 7. For you maybe...

Why use Win8 when Win7 does everything I need to do already? Why go through a bunch of crap to set things up when things are already very functional. Win7 is by leaps and bounds the best OS that MS has produced. It has some issues but it is very stable and reliable so why bother with a new OS that doesn't even do some of the things I want to do?

I have a bunch of Win7 licenses so there's no reason for me to shell out more $$ for Win8 so that I can hassle with setting it up for my HTPC.
post #5134 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Roginator View Post

Maybe the new firmware has fixed the problem. You would have to be blind not to notice the difference with the old firmware.

I sure hope that's the case.

The problem is that it took about 5 seconds to sync on the echo (too long, I know) but after that it looked fine and then ended. I'm thinking a longer clip will allow me to watch it longer to see if there are other issues besides the initial sync.
post #5135 of 7721
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Originally Posted by t-c View Post

lol, the future is Windows 7. For you maybe...

Win 8 is junk. Fine for a tablet device, but not a PC. I don't know how they expect the business community to ever adopt Win 8. It will be like Vista. They'll catch enough flack for releasing a horrid OS, and Windows 9 will be the answer.
post #5136 of 7721
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Originally Posted by hub1 View Post

Best yet....

I am anxious for this to become available. It looks like it has corrected the 720p up-convert issues which I have... 108i is really good so I am hopeful!

Come on Ceton, put this out to Beta! smile.gif
post #5137 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Roginator View Post

Would you be willing to download a 17MB file to see if you can see the same non deinterlacing I see?

https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=CEBAA15A6CFAA508!1978&authkey=!AHqREBzb_yzdyTI

I hope that worked...

The short video segment plays fine on HTPC, but on the Echo? fuggedaboutit.

BTW, I do NOT have the latest Omega firmware you have.

I just tried this again this morning after rebooting the echo.

The playback was perfect and the syncing only took about 500 milliseconds.
post #5138 of 7721
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Originally Posted by RockinRay View Post

I am anxious for this to become available. It looks like it has corrected the 720p up-convert issues which I have... 108i is really good so I am hopeful!

Come on Ceton, put this out to Beta! smile.gif

Soon I am sure. It is working very well.. New settings app coming too.
post #5139 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Soon I am sure. It is working very well.. New settings app coming too.

2013.116.1545 is on the beta channel.
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See..
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YAY! Cannot wait to try it out when I get home from work!
post #5142 of 7721
My plasma TV is a 1080i Panasonic. So naturally, I've been setting the Echo at "Native" and hoping for the best.

I just got the new 116 beta to try. SAME DAMN RESULTS AS BEFORE!!! 29/59 bug and no deinterlacing on my test videos! Cursing Sammy, I thought I'd hook the Echo directly to the TV - bypassing my HTIB (Home Theater In a Box for you acronym haters). NO DIFFERENCE -- except I had to turn the AC-3 bitstreaming off to keep from being blasted by static.

While my TV is not a 1080p TV, I figured I'd try the "1080p" setting next. I hooked my HTIB up again. NO DIFFERENCE!

Then I thought, "Didn't Sammy have a 720p TV?" So I tried the "720p" setting next.

OMG! OMG! OMG! It works at 720p!!!! The awful combing from the Malta clip was gone! The 29/59 stuttering on an HBO movie was pretty much eliminated!

Now... how about fixing 1080i???

(note: this involves very limited testing on my part)



After my Echo experience, I've been thinking about getting a new Xbox 720 when they come out. Can someone verify that some versions of the Xbox 360 can act as a wireless-N extender at 1080i? I'm hoping that by THE END OF 2013 when the Xbox 720 arrives, the Echo will be functional and I can use the Xbox upstairs wirelessly.
post #5143 of 7721
The echo only outputs in progressive right now so 720p is really the only one that will work with a 1080i TV. My TV is 1080p so native works but it is upscaling content from 720p or 1080i to 1080p to my TV.
post #5144 of 7721
The built-in wifi adapters on Xbox 360 are always 2.4GHz only. You have to buy a standard alone 360 wifi adapter (which may no longer be made) to have the 5GHz/dual band support. Without 5G support, wifi will not be very useful as TV extenders.

BTW, your TV, a fixed-pixel plasma, can not be 1080i native. Only the early CRT TVs can have 1080i native. Fixed-pixel TV are alway progressive by definition. But ultimately, how well the TV handles different signal is up the processing circuit.
post #5145 of 7721
I am also in hopes that this firmware will correct the issue that I have running native... 1080p is fine, 720p reverts to 4x3 screen.

Here is to hoping!!
post #5146 of 7721
Ok, after all this time I finally looked more closely at my TV. It's a Panasonic TH-50PZ700U. Apparently is IS a 1080P display...

"FULL HD 1080P
With a maximum resolution of 1920x1080 (16:9), the widescreen Panasonic TH50PZ700U fully supports up to HDTV 1080p (1920x1080, progressive) for a truly high-definition experience."

Maybe I was looking at the non-HDMI capabilities. I guess I should look at my relatively-new Blu-ray player settings. Duh.

Anyway, the Echo still can't seem to play properly at anything above 720P for me.
post #5147 of 7721
Wow, no public updates or improvements going on 5 weeks now? Sorry, but you guys really don't inspire much confidence that you have the competence to get this done...
post #5148 of 7721
If by play properly you mean it works consistently that is my experience too but when I can get native to work it looks fantastic.
post #5149 of 7721
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Originally Posted by crbaldwin View Post

Wow, no public updates or improvements going on 5 weeks now? Sorry, but you guys really don't inspire much confidence that you have the competence to get this done...

There have been at least 3 updates in the last month. Do you have the echo set to the beta channel for updates?
There is a update that was just released today. 2013.116.1545
post #5150 of 7721
Not sure if I am seeing the 29/59 bug on the echo since the 2013.116.1545 update but some things are now extremely blurry. Watch Family Guy on TOON network... Will the echo ever show the Presentation portion of the DEBUG screen (411 INFO)?? Trying to figure out of the blur is 29/59 bug related or just a separate issue...
post #5151 of 7721
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Originally Posted by snoop168 View Post

Not sure if I am seeing the 29/59 bug on the echo since the 2013.116.1545 update but some things are now extremely blurry. Watch Family Guy on TOON network... Will the echo ever show the Presentation portion of the DEBUG screen (411 INFO)?? Trying to figure out of the blur is 29/59 bug related or just a separate issue...

I don't think "blur" was ever anything to do with the 29/59 bug. That bug is normally a stuttering caused by a rapidly-changing frame rate sent by the broadcaster.

Blur sometimes just means you are being sent a standard-definition picture rather than a high-definition picture. Maybe you are watching episodes created before they switched to high-definition?
post #5152 of 7721
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Originally Posted by crbaldwin View Post

Wow, no public updates or improvements going on 5 weeks now? Sorry, but you guys really don't inspire much confidence that you have the competence to get this done...

This is flat out incorrect. We released the 2012.1219 update around December 23rd, the 2012.1228 update last week and just pushed a new update to beta today. There were also updates before the 2012.1228 well within 5 weeks.
post #5153 of 7721
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I don't think "blur" was ever anything to do with the 29/59 bug. That bug is normally a stuttering caused by a rapidly-changing frame rate sent by the broadcaster.

Blur sometimes just means you are being sent a standard-definition picture rather than a high-definition picture. Maybe you are watching episodes created before they switched to high-definition?

I watch on my HTPC and no blur is noticed... The content is definitely 1080 content. 411info shows 1920x1080 (59.9401) The blur seems to actually be the Echo not erasing the old frames from the screen quick enough so when an animation moves just a little bit or their mouths move you don't see the edges clearly.. Imagine Frame1, Frame2 and Frame3, if the video is currently displaying frame 3, you still see shadows of frame 1 and 2 thereby making the portion of the screen that changed between frame 1-3 appear to be a blur. This is extremely worse during a screen pan, because at that point everything is moving and you start to see about 2 of every edge at the same time.

The latest update had this problem on top of the interlacing problem so its significantly better since the recent beta update but now its just left with the blur.
post #5154 of 7721
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Wow, no public updates or improvements going on 5 weeks now? Sorry, but you guys really don't inspire much confidence that you have the competence to get this done...

The echo still has its issues but the support team seems to be working hard on it. There is no sense for them to put out an update just for the sake of putting an update out. I would rather wait a few weeks for great changes than to have an update that makes things worse because they were testing something and the public is just screaming for an update... I think in the end the Echo will be a great product. If only they could reduce the price a bit I think I would buy more...
post #5155 of 7721
In my case, this beta seems to have fixed my issues! I can now run in Native mode ail my Pioneer panels and 720p up-convert to 1080p is excellent. Smooth as glass.

YAY - finally a working set of Echo units! Way to go Ceton!!!
post #5156 of 7721
That's sweet! Report back on stability. Do a couple system reboots. What is your set up, BTW? Do you have an AVR in the mix?
post #5157 of 7721
Anyone taking bets on how long before the "Its still broke!" comments come after the premature "They fixed it all!!" comments have been posted? Mid-day?
post #5158 of 7721
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Originally Posted by erickotz View Post

This is flat out incorrect. We released the 2012.1219 update around December 23rd, the 2012.1228 update last week and just pushed a new update to beta today. There were also updates before the 2012.1228 well within 5 weeks.

I apologize. I didn't notice these 2 non-beta updates that (I guess) were still to get basic playback working correctly. I can only guess since there were no announcements or release notes that I have seen. Where is "State of the Echo #3"? I'm not feeling the excitement or confidence anymore from your announcement about the extended return period if this is all we will get in 5 weeks time.
post #5159 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

That's sweet! Report back on stability. Do a couple system reboots. What is your set up, BTW? Do you have an AVR in the mix?

Will do - will watch for the next few nights and pay attention to things! smile.gif

My setups are simple... Echo, Pioneer Panels. No AVR in between. rolleyes.gif

At least I can finally watch 720p content without feeling sick! This is great.
post #5160 of 7721
No comment on the preview window bug? Anyone else seeing this? I just took the latest firmware update and still have it. The menu screen just overlays the entire image versus shrinking it down. My Xbox 360 Slim shows it. I'm debating just getting a second Xbox (same price as the Echo right now). I like the silence and low energy consumption of the Echo, but the 360 is just flawless.

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