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post #5191 of 7721
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Originally Posted by CorporateASH View Post

I've been following this thread for a while and seriously, I wish people would take a drag on a cigarette or whatever they need to do to relax. Yeah, you've spent money on a product with a lot of promise. ...

My Echo works perfectly in feeding my TV, pictures, and music back to my bedroom and I understand that's not the case for everyone, but for The. Love. Of. God., people... RELAX and let the people at Ceton do their job!

/rant

So I guess only fan boys should post here, and speak nicely of the great new product. My comments have nothing to do with money, I am not looking for anything to be free. There have been many others posting about cost. Mine have been about my experience with Ceton and the Echo beta.

I think the fan boys need to RELAX and take everyones comments for what they are, opinions and some fact. BTW, comments here are NOT stopping anyone from doing there job.
Edited by skybolt - 1/24/13 at 10:01am
post #5192 of 7721
I prefer to look at what it does today rather than look back at what an epic fail the beta was. There's no reason griping about that anymore. Mine is working great right now and that is all that matters... Of course mkv's could be better but I can play TV shows and the like that have been converted to mkv right now. It is the HBR stuff that still needs work and I realy think that it is a limitation of extenders on WMC but the android solution will work around this. I think that ceton is looking into launching an android player from within WMC on the extender but they don't really want to do that. They may have to though because their hands are tied by MS; we will see.
post #5193 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

This omega f/w is smooth as silk. Running in native mode with AC-3 and I did numerous system shut downs, including over night with no green monster or audio drop outs or chipmonk voices. The video is incredible now too. Every bit as good as my GT-430 puts out for CableTV.

Thanks Michael!

I hope now you can move on to fixing a few other things like HBR mkv and those android things..

Based on your remarks, I am super excited for this one to hit the beta channel! My picture on both Pioneer panels is very good but sounds like further improvements have been made.

Can't wait!
post #5194 of 7721
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Originally Posted by RockinRay View Post

Based on your remarks, I am super excited for this one to hit the beta channel! My picture on both Pioneer panels is very good but sounds like further improvements have been made.

Can't wait!

Stability and audio improvements. It seems to have fixed the issues I was having. I sent ceton about 10 diag logs on Monday and they were already working on this f/w improvement at the same time.
post #5195 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Of course mkv's could be better but I can play TV shows and the like that have been converted to mkv right now. It is the HBR stuff that still needs work

Sammy, just got my Echo the other day, hoping to set it up this weekend. I had a question about the MKV file compatibility. Would you say that someone who's library of movies was mainly uncompressed DVD rips with AC3 audio via MakeMKV or some similar tool that simply re-containers the video will work for the most part? I am wondering if its mainly user created MKV's using things like Handbrake are what causes issues. HBR mkv's and DTS would be awesome, and i don't care how they figure it out so long as it happens eventually.

Also for those of us who merely re-container and not re-encode movies is there a format that works better? WTV, MKV or m2ts?
post #5196 of 7721
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Originally Posted by VikingCrown View Post

Sammy, just got my Echo the other day, hoping to set it up this weekend. I had a question about the MKV file compatibility. Would you say that someone who's library of movies was mainly uncompressed DVD rips with AC3 audio via MakeMKV or some similar tool that simply re-containers the video will work for the most part? I am wondering if its mainly user created MKV's using things like Handbrake are what causes issues. HBR mkv's and DTS would be awesome, and i don't care how they figure it out so long as it happens eventually.

Also for those of us who merely re-container and not re-encode movies is there a format that works better? WTV, MKV or m2ts?

DVD rips work well for the most part for me but I don't have many of those. Most of my library is Blu-Ray rips with HD Audio. The echo doesn't support HD Audio or dts in any form right now. I think re-encode or down muxing will cause issues if it isn't a quality re-encode. WTV and MKV work if they aren't VBR or HBR from what I can tell. I have not had an m2ts play. It locks up the echo to where it needs a soft-reboot with the echo. I did test some of these last night on the latest f/w and there is no change there as would be expected; the changelog didn't indicate anything about it.

If I were you, I'd install the echo and put it on the beta channel for f/w and the settings app. BTW, make sure you instal the settings app with WMC closed on the host machine and the echo off as well.
post #5197 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

I prefer to look at what it does today rather than look back at what an epic fail the beta was. There's no reason griping about that anymore. ...

I more or less agree with that statment. It's more then just false promises however, it's how issues are handled, or just ignored which still exist.

I guess if my results were more like yours, I would be silent, but based on posts here it looks split. Some are happy and some are not. Most of the happy ones are willing to "live with" some issue that other's are not, or have expectations not set as high as others.

I mean lets face it, releaseing a new extender in this market requires a knock out release. MS has pretty much secured third party failure, which is why no one eles is doing this. JMO.
post #5198 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

WTV and MKV work if they aren't VBR or HBR from what I can tell.

Hmm, looking at the MediaInfo for just a random sample of 10 MKV rips, all seem to have a Bit Rate Mode of Variable. Guess i'm just gonna have to give it a shot as these make up the bulk of my library (300+ titles) that i'd rather not have to encode just to get them to play. Hope this isn't the case otherwise i'll just wait it out and keep using the 360 for my movie viewing.
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

If I were you, I'd install the echo and put it on the beta channel for f/w and the settings app. BTW, make sure you instal the settings app with WMC closed on the host machine and the echo off as well.

Great suggestions, I will definitely do that.
post #5199 of 7721
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Originally Posted by VikingCrown View Post

... I had a question about the MKV file compatibility. Would you say that someone who's library of movies was mainly uncompressed DVD rips with AC3 audio via MakeMKV or some similar tool that simply re-containers the video will work for the most part? I am wondering if its mainly user created MKV's using things like Handbrake are what causes issues. HBR mkv's and DTS would be awesome, and i don't care how they figure it out so long as it happens eventually. ...

Constant bit rate and under 20mbps with no DTS will give you 100% success on pretty much all extenders from what I see. Even compressing BD rips will play better. Variable bit rate is a killer here. MakeMKV works just fine as does HandBrake if it is setup right.

I have had limited success with M2TS.
post #5200 of 7721
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Originally Posted by VikingCrown View Post

Sammy, just got my Echo the other day, hoping to set it up this weekend. I had a question about the MKV file compatibility. Would you say that someone who's library of movies was mainly uncompressed DVD rips with AC3 audio via MakeMKV or some similar tool that simply re-containers the video will work for the most part? I am wondering if its mainly user created MKV's using things like Handbrake are what causes issues. HBR mkv's and DTS would be awesome, and i don't care how they figure it out so long as it happens eventually.

Also for those of us who merely re-container and not re-encode movies is there a format that works better? WTV, MKV or m2ts?

I would go with WTV if for no other reason then it gives you full FF/RW capability. I haven't moved to the Echo (yet) but that is what I did with my 200+ movies and they play beautifully on my DMA2100/2200's through MediaBrowser.
post #5201 of 7721
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Originally Posted by khubo View Post

I would go with WTV if for no other reason then it gives you full FF/RW capability. I haven't moved to the Echo (yet) but that is what I did with my 200+ movies and they play beautifully on my DMA2100/2200's through MediaBrowser.

Does MB display any metadata for these wtv files?

This is maybe a viable solution for someone starting out but I have 400 titles in mkv and am not going to re-encode them for playback on the echo. I have a test file of wtv that was created from a HBR/VBR mkv and is realtively large (20GB, IIR). It won't play well on the echo; it stutters and pauses.
post #5202 of 7721
I have a mix/match of mkv and wtv for TV series that are all co-located on a network share, some episodes of the same season/series will be one flavor, some the other. I do use metabrowser to grab metadata, so am not certain how well mediabrowser's metadata stuff would work. I use media browser to browse everything, and wtv looks like mkv so far as meta data goes. If MB doesn't get you the metadata you need, I'd think yamm (or metabrowser like I use) would be fine to populate the files MB looks at.
post #5203 of 7721
Media Browser works fine with metadata, it's getting some of the non-free plugins that is the trick. Ther is a plugin that displays the media infomation on the screen with the fanart.


Edited by skybolt - 1/24/13 at 10:39am
post #5204 of 7721
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Originally Posted by jacobsjg View Post

I have a mix/match of mkv and wtv for TV series that are all co-located on a network share, some episodes of the same season/series will be one flavor, some the other. I do use metabrowser to grab metadata, so am not certain how well mediabrowser's metadata stuff would work. I use media browser to browse everything, and wtv looks like mkv so far as meta data goes. If MB doesn't get you the metadata you need, I'd think yamm (or metabrowser like I use) would be fine to populate the files MB looks at.

I use MediaCenterMaster and SB for metadata for TV shows, not MediaBrowser's scraper. My TV shows are in mkv. I don't use metabrowser or mediabrowser's scraper. I converted an mkv to a wtv for testing with the Echo. MCM would not pick up metadata for it and mediainfo does not show anthing either but the native windows right click > Properties does.

I am sorry if I wasn't clear. I was just wondering if you can see the MetaData for wtv in MediaBrowser or mediainfo for that matter.
post #5205 of 7721
So how does one request to be on the "omega" list? I always like the "bleeding edge" stuff!
post #5206 of 7721
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Originally Posted by skybolt View Post

Media Browser works fine with metadata, it's getting some of the non-free plugins that is the trick. Ther is a plugin that displays the media infomation on the screen with the fanart.


I use Diamond, a free plugin, and I get metadata but for a Bond Movie converted from mkv to wtv it isn't showing it. That may be the issue.
post #5207 of 7721
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Originally Posted by RockinRay View Post

So how does one request to be on the "omega" list? I always like the "bleeding edge" stuff!

I think I am in it because my echo is a beta unit since October, but not all beta echos are in it. It is by release and by MAC ID. The whole purpose of omega is to limit the number of units exposed to the f/w if it does bad stuff.
post #5208 of 7721
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Originally Posted by skybolt View Post

So I guess only fan boys should post here, and speak nicely of the great new product. My comments have nothing to do with money, I am not looking for anything to be free. There have been many others posting about cost. Mine have been about my experience with Ceton and the Echo beta.

I think the fan boys need to RELAX and take everyones comments for what they are, opinions and some fact. BTW, comments here are NOT stopping anyone from doing there job.

Who said anything about being a fanboy? All I'm saying is - again - RELAX and let Ceton do their job instead of yelling and screaming about them not doing it fast enough. I certainly hope that my experience with the Echo improves as well. There are certainly things I would like to see come about, but you don't see me in here ripping the developers up one side and down the other. Patience is a virtue. Report your findings, list your hopes, discuss the product, but I find little need for (pardon my paraphrasing) "This product sucks! The XBox is so much better! Why don't the people at Ceton just fix it?! Why haven't they fixed my specific bug yet?! This is outrageous! I bet they just punted this product!" etc, etc, etc, ad infinitum.
post #5209 of 7721
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Originally Posted by skybolt View Post

I more or less agree with that statment. It's more then just false promises however, it's how issues are handled, or just ignored which still exist.

I guess if my results were more like yours, I would be silent, but based on posts here it looks split. Some are happy and some are not. Most of the happy ones are willing to "live with" some issue that other's are not, or have expectations not set as high as others.

I mean lets face it, releaseing a new extender in this market requires a knock out release. MS has pretty much secured third party failure, which is why no one eles is doing this. JMO.

I've had my share of issues. My echo worked well in mid-December and then a couple betas later it was toast all through January until just last night basically. We will see if it has stability on this release..
post #5210 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

WTV and MKV work if they aren't VBR or HBR from what I can tell.

VBR files don't work? Are you sure you don't mean VFR (variable frame rate)? I thought VBR files were (sort of) working as long as the bitrate doesn't get too high.
post #5211 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

I use Diamond, a free plugin, and I get metadata but for a Bond Movie converted from mkv to wtv it isn't showing it. That may be the issue.

I use Media Center Master and have no problem getting the metadata for my movies. I am trying to figure out TV shows still so that it will organize all 18 seasons of Top Gear for me.

Sammy2 - I am not sure that WTV will be a viable solution for you as most of your stuff seems to be HBR rips of BR movies. I am using it only for DVD rips and it works perfectly (almost perfectly, DTS still causes issues). It works so well that I have been able to put all my DVD's in a box and my wife and kids use MediaBrowser with no issues. As an added bonus, I no longer have broken/scratched/slimy DVD's laying around the house.
post #5212 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

I think I am in it because my echo is a beta unit since October, but not all beta echos are in it. It is by release and by MAC ID. The whole purpose of omega is to limit the number of units exposed to the f/w if it does bad stuff.

Yep - totally understand this. I did try to get in on the beta and was passed over... So, I will just wait for things to hit the beta channel...
post #5213 of 7721
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Originally Posted by reggie14 View Post

VBR files don't work? Are you sure you don't mean VFR (variable frame rate)? I thought VBR files were (sort of) working as long as the bitrate doesn't get too high.

There was also some discussion about the number of R-Frames being too high as well so who really knows?
post #5214 of 7721
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Originally Posted by reggie14 View Post

VBR files don't work? Are you sure you don't mean VFR (variable frame rate)? I thought VBR files were (sort of) working as long as the bitrate doesn't get too high.

For me, VBR on BD's didn't work so well. VFR is always an issue I thought, not just for hte echo but all extenders? At least it seems that way.
post #5215 of 7721
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Originally Posted by CorporateASH View Post

Who said anything about being a fanboy? All I'm saying is - again - RELAX and let Ceton do their job instead of yelling and screaming about them not doing it fast enough. I certainly hope that my experience with the Echo improves as well. There are certainly things I would like to see come about, but you don't see me in here ripping the developers up one side and down the other. Patience is a virtue. Report your findings, list your hopes, discuss the product, but I find little need for (pardon my paraphrasing) "This product sucks! The XBox is so much better! Why don't the people at Ceton just fix it?! Why haven't they fixed my specific bug yet?! This is outrageous! I bet they just punted this product!" etc, etc, etc, ad infinitum.

LOL, that's a great ending ... My gripping comes from this thread and all of the previous promises as well as being part of the beta. Your point is taken and I concede, except I didn't rip on the developers, just the state of the product.
post #5216 of 7721
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Originally Posted by skybolt View Post

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+1000

You should have been in the original Alpha, or what they called beta, testing. You don't have to ask me twice to jump on board with that statement.
Mine is unpluged right now, i want to see if I miss it. If I don't I will return it and put the proceeds towards another 4gb slim.


Unfortunately I was wink.gif
post #5217 of 7721
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Originally Posted by realtight View Post

Unfortunately I was wink.gif

You quit?

Nobody likes a quitter!
post #5218 of 7721
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Originally Posted by CorporateASH View Post

Who said anything about being a fanboy? All I'm saying is - again - RELAX and let Ceton do their job instead of yelling and screaming about them not doing it fast enough. I certainly hope that my experience with the Echo improves as well. There are certainly things I would like to see come about, but you don't see me in here ripping the developers up one side and down the other. Patience is a virtue. Report your findings, list your hopes, discuss the product, but I find little need for (pardon my paraphrasing) "This product sucks! The XBox is so much better! Why don't the people at Ceton just fix it?! Why haven't they fixed my specific bug yet?! This is outrageous! I bet they just punted this product!" etc, etc, etc, ad infinitum.

I've had this in my living room for 3 months now. I expected the Echo beta to be where the Echo is at right now... OK, so exactly how long and how much patience do you, the voice of reason, say is an acceptable timeline to have EVERYTHING done? How about the list below?

- HBR movies, MKV's
- DTS
- HD Audio
- Windows 8 support (don't care what people think about it, it needs to be supported)
- No major bugs/audio problems, freezes, restarts
- fluid UI

How much longer?? If Ceton extends the return policy again, then I have no problems, until then... we have problems wink.gif
post #5219 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

You quit?

Nobody likes a quitter!

no, I was only saying I was apart of the horrible beta (alpha) experience... I haven't given up, just expecting better and counting the days until either Ceton steps up and knocks this thing out of the park or I return it for being nothing more then a slightly updated Linksys extender.
post #5220 of 7721
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Originally Posted by realtight View Post

I've had this in my living room for 3 months now. I expected the Echo beta to be where the Echo is at right now... OK, so exactly how long and how much patience do you, the voice of reason, say is an acceptable timeline to have EVERYTHING done? How about the list below?

- HBR movies, MKV's
- DTS
- HD Audio
- Windows 8 support(don't care what people think about it, it needs to be supported)
- No major bugs/audio problems, freezes, restarts
- fluid UI

How much longer?? If Ceton extends the return policy again, then I have no problems, until then... we have problems wink.gif

I think that is not a matter of what anybody "thinks" about it but rather a matter of what M$ has done to the RDP in Win8. I'm not sure if there is a solution that ceton can do for this.

BTW, it isn't as if ceton doesn't already know about these things. Repeating them ad nauseum doesn't change anything. If it doesn't meet your expectations, return it and don't bother wasting your time posting about it because repeating these things doesn't change anything.

I think that only the top three items on your list are still needing to be done at this point anyhow.
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