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post #5341 of 7721
Yes, my purchase was after 1/1/2013. I'm not knocking Ceton here, but having the wife and kids using them would be a problem in their current state. The Xbox in the front room just works flawlessly. I could forgive minor issues, but it's currently unusable. Constant audio skipping being the number one issue along with slowness and lock ups.
post #5342 of 7721
I have played Live TV and played back recorded TV using f/w 2013.122 for hours and hours on end with no issues except the full screen preview during >> and << .
post #5343 of 7721
Don't know, but I running the same firmware and also see bad de-interlacing issues. Along with the other issues I've mentioned.
post #5344 of 7721
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Originally Posted by BenJF3 View Post

Don't know, but I running the same firmware and also see bad de-interlacing issues. Along with the other issues I've mentioned.

What video mode are you using?
post #5345 of 7721
My Xbox just died (RROD). Its either ceton or xbox slim from CL. I can get xbox for around 100, but don't mind 79 extra if ceton is stable and does its work (live TV + home media mkv)

Has the latest firmware fixed the issues?
post #5346 of 7721
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Originally Posted by BenJF3 View Post

Amazon is telling me Feb 4th (Only 30 days with them). I had planned on keeping my Infini4 PCIe card.

Just so people know, I've been working between newegg and ceton for about 3 weeks now to get mine returned outside the newegg return policy and using Ceton's extended return policy. I would guess so long as you have your return request started prior to the extended return date Ceton will take care of you, with the current process don't expect deciding to return it Feb 26 and actually returning it right away.
post #5347 of 7721
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Originally Posted by cnewsgrp View Post

My Xbox just died (RROD). Its either ceton or xbox slim from CL. I can get xbox for around 100, but don't mind 79 extra if ceton is stable and does its work (live TV + home media mkv)

Has the latest firmware fixed the issues?

Yes, to a point. I don't have an Xbox but it my understanding that it doesn't playback all mkv's. Neither does the echo at this point.
post #5348 of 7721
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Originally Posted by cnewsgrp View Post

My Xbox just died (RROD). Its either ceton or xbox slim from CL. I can get xbox for around 100, but don't mind 79 extra if ceton is stable and does its work (live TV + home media mkv)

Has the latest firmware fixed the issues?

Optimistically, the Echo is about 6 months away from performing as well as an xbox (if it ever does). If you're willing to go through all the headaches of a glitchy product, give the echo a try. Not one movie works for me if that helps you at all. The best I can get right now is a very low bit rate mkv that stutters constantly.
Edited by realtight - 1/29/13 at 12:01pm
post #5349 of 7721
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Originally Posted by VikingCrown View Post

[snip]A separate question, what should the display setup be? I assumed since i have a 1080P display that's what i should set it to. What (if any) are the advantages to setting it up as Native?
Setting it to "Native" lets your TV do the scaling. E.g., some stations broadcast HD in 720p and others in 1080i. Your TV will have native resolution of either 720p or 1080p, and its internal scaler is usually much better than the one built into auxiliary equipment like the Echo (though if the TV is very old, the Echo's scaler may actually be better).
post #5350 of 7721
Well, $99.99 to fix my busted old 360 (for the second time). I don't game anywhere near the way I used to (growing up sucks), no way I'm gonna pay that for something that loud that's just gonna break again in 2-4 more years.

The Echo is coming out of *casual*, bedroom sleepy-time-and-morning-news duty and into my Primary Home Theater.

I'm gonna install the Ceton App and give this a go under a closer microscope. I really want Ceton to succeed, and I hate to reward Microsoft for "bad behavior".

Are you guys using the HDMI and Ethernet cable that came with the echo? I noticed the Ethernet is Cat5, and the HDMI seems small/flimsy... I may swap them out for some other cables I've already got lying around the house and see what I think.
post #5351 of 7721
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Originally Posted by psuKinger View Post

Are you guys using the HDMI and Ethernet cable that came with the echo? I noticed the Ethernet is Cat5, and the HDMI seems small/flimsy... I may swap them out for some other cables I've already got lying around the house and see what I think.

Cat5 cable is fine for the way Echo is used. It hardly need Gigabit speed (I'm not sure what hardware port is on the Echo). The HDMI cable comes with my beta Echo is way too thick IMO. I'm actually using my own thiner HDMI cable. It will not make much difference unless you have frequent video drop outs.
post #5352 of 7721
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Originally Posted by dsurkin View Post

Setting it to "Native" lets your TV do the scaling. E.g., some stations broadcast HD in 720p and others in 1080i. Your TV will have native resolution of either 720p or 1080p, and its internal scaler is usually much better than the one built into auxiliary equipment like the Echo (though if the TV is very old, the Echo's scaler may actually be better).

Ideally, Native should mean 1080i station sends out as 1080i, not 1080p so that we can use TV's deinterlacer instead of Echo which is still broken (just check out the Weather Channel, many of their animations/CGIs will produce sever artifacts).

Also, don't forget for most consumer TVs, native also means additional couple seconds of delay when switching channels of different resolution.
post #5353 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

What video mode are you using?

Native
post #5354 of 7721
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Originally Posted by cnewsgrp View Post

My Xbox just died (RROD). Its either ceton or xbox slim from CL. I can get xbox for around 100, but don't mind 79 extra if ceton is stable and does its work (live TV + home media mkv)

Has the latest firmware fixed the issues?

Through the years I have fixed many XBOX 360's with the read ring of death for myself and friends. Not one has ever failed again. I use the following kit purchased through Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004D1PT58/ref=oh_details_o08_s00_i00

They have an online set of instructions you can check out before purchase. It is worth the $24.00
post #5355 of 7721
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Originally Posted by BenJF3 View Post

Native

Try 1080p or 720p and see what happens. The de-interlacer in my echo is doing well this release. As a mtter of fact it has worked well for a while now. It was audio that was giving me fits.
post #5356 of 7721
Any anticipation on the next beat release? I would like to have the full screen scanning back!
post #5357 of 7721
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Originally Posted by jasongrimme View Post

Just so people know, I've been working between newegg and ceton for about 3 weeks now to get mine returned outside the newegg return policy and using Ceton's extended return policy. I would guess so long as you have your return request started prior to the extended return date Ceton will take care of you, with the current process don't expect deciding to return it Feb 26 and actually returning it right away.

Did you initiate the return request with Newegg or Ceton directly? How do you go about doing that?
post #5358 of 7721
How did you guys program your Harmony to control Echo?

I have a 650. And the only way I could figure out to do it was to create a "new device", and with the Echo "unknown", I told the programming software that the Echo was a type of "Media Center PC". And I made up some BS about how my "Media Center PC" changes inputs.

It works... but perhaps not as elegantly as I'd hoped. For one thing, if my wife has her laptop open, starting the "watch Echo" activity fires up WMC on her laptop... obviously not an intended outcome for my home theater/controlling my echo. Is this what everyone else is doing? Or is there a better option?
Edited by psuKinger - 1/29/13 at 5:40pm
post #5359 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Venomnusss View Post

Through the years I have fixed many XBOX 360's with the read ring of death for myself and friends. Not one has ever failed again. I use the following kit purchased through Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004D1PT58/ref=oh_details_o08_s00_i00

They have an online set of instructions you can check out before purchase. It is worth the $24.00

I just purchased this based on your advice here. Thanks. Hope it works!
post #5360 of 7721
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Originally Posted by psuKinger View Post

Well, $99.99 to fix my busted old 360 (for the second time). I don't game anywhere near the way I used to (growing up sucks), no way I'm gonna pay that for something that loud that's just gonna break again in 2-4 more years.

The Echo is coming out of *casual*, bedroom sleepy-time-and-morning-news duty and into my Primary Home Theater.

I'm gonna install the Ceton App and give this a go under a closer microscope. I really want Ceton to succeed, and I hate to reward Microsoft for "bad behavior".

Are you guys using the HDMI and Ethernet cable that came with the echo? I noticed the Ethernet is Cat5, and the HDMI seems small/flimsy... I may swap them out for some other cables I've already got lying around the house and see what I think.

Ok, I am not a 360 advicate, but I can barley use the Echo in the bedroom without endless stutter (deinterlaeing) and lockup/reboot etc.
The 360 is my HT, for now. The 4gb slim is ultra quite and works quite well.

The Echo is a ways off from actually equalling the 360, let alone full playback support.
Thats not to say the Echo won't catch up at some point, but it has had a very slow start.
post #5361 of 7721
My Echo also started locking up yesterday. It can't be the NIC driver Ceton has typically blamed because it worked all this time and happens to be the latest driver.
post #5362 of 7721
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Originally Posted by d3rang3d View Post

Did you initiate the return request with Newegg or Ceton directly? How do you go about doing that?

For the actual return, Ceton. To be fair, I did contact Newegg in early January, just after their standard return period, and they did offer to take it back right then and there even though I was past the standard policy (after some back and forth), but at the time I was just trying to feel things out to see how the process should work. I was still hopeful to use them, which is why I had bought 5 to begin with.

Since Newegg had no awareness of this extended return policy created by Ceton, I think opened a ticket with Ceton just a week or so later to get the ball rolling. At first they indicated I would work direct with Ceton, and within the scope of that ticket I did work with them to troubleshoot a few issues I was having with liveTV playback. I then later decided I in fact did want to return 4 of the 5, at which point Ceton then told me I would have to work directly with the reseller. I pointed out that in this same ticket they had indicated I would do the return through Ceton, and they then asked for my newegg invoice. About 4 or 5 days later (2-3 working days), my ticket was updated to indicate newegg would be contacting me. I came home to a voicemail from newegg and just now finalized my RMA.

So until getting some formal direction, I would recommend going directly to Ceton echo support to get the ball rolling, maybe just attached a copy of your reseller invoice to help move things along. I'm hoping in a couple of months I'll just be reordering them, but couldn't site on $700+ and end up not using it. Kind of concerning though how quit announcements have been, given how chatty things were in Nov and Dec. I'm probably not remebering it correctly, but in my mind I feel like from mid-nov to mid-dec we heard some significant news and/or updates from Ceton on the echo. I don't think we've heard any official comments on the echo since the mid Dec and I guess I thought we were to expect state of the echo updates ever couple to few weeks, but I guess if they are hard at work fixing, probably time better spent.
post #5363 of 7721
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Originally Posted by jasongrimme View Post

For the actual return, Ceton. To be fair, I did contact Newegg in early January, just after their standard return period, and they did offer to take it back right then and there even though I was past the standard policy (after some back and forth), but at the time I was just trying to feel things out to see how the process should work. I was still hopeful to use them, which is why I had bought 5 to begin with.

Since Newegg had no awareness of this extended return policy created by Ceton, I think opened a ticket with Ceton just a week or so later to get the ball rolling. At first they indicated I would work direct with Ceton, and within the scope of that ticket I did work with them to troubleshoot a few issues I was having with liveTV playback. I then later decided I in fact did want to return 4 of the 5, at which point Ceton then told me I would have to work directly with the reseller. I pointed out that in this same ticket they had indicated I would do the return through Ceton, and they then asked for my newegg invoice. About 4 or 5 days later (2-3 working days), my ticket was updated to indicate newegg would be contacting me. I came home to a voicemail from newegg and just now finalized my RMA.

So until getting some formal direction, I would recommend going directly to Ceton echo support to get the ball rolling, maybe just attached a copy of your reseller invoice to help move things along. I'm hoping in a couple of months I'll just be reordering them, but couldn't site on $700+ and end up not using it. Kind of concerning though how quit announcements have been, given how chatty things were in Nov and Dec. I'm probably not remebering it correctly, but in my mind I feel like from mid-nov to mid-dec we heard some significant news and/or updates from Ceton on the echo. I don't think we've heard any official comments on the echo since the mid Dec and I guess I thought we were to expect state of the echo updates ever couple to few weeks, but I guess if they are hard at work fixing, probably time better spent.

Thanks for the details. Newegg is definitely not on-board with the extended return so I have started the process with Ceton and I'm very pleased with the level of support so far.

The last straw for me is the lack of Win8 support. By the time the announcement came out, I was just past the 30-day return so I figured I was screwed. While I hate to give M$ a win here, I don't really want to have to force myself back to Win7 just so I can utilize this $180 device. I'm not really excited about moving to the XBOX option either but, if I'm going to stick with Media Center as my HTPC, that's my only choice. The latest release of XBMC looks pretty cool. I don't have much experience with it but it might just be the solution I've been looking for since it supports LiveTV/PVR now. If it allows me to move off of WMC all together, that would be a huge bonus. :-)

I applaud Ceton for stepping up to make things right for those of us that can't simply wait it out. I fully expect they will end up with a stellar product in the Echo. If something changes in the future, I'll be quick to jump back on later...
post #5364 of 7721
Win8? Blah.. Everything works in Win7 so what do I need Win8 for?
post #5365 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Win8? Blah.. Everything works in Win7 so what do I need Win8 for?

+ 1 - I think Win8 will be just like ME and Vista. It will fade fast and Win9 will replace it.

Win7 is solid and will be supported for years to come. If you think about Win8, how many corporations will adopt? Not many IMHO.
post #5366 of 7721
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Originally Posted by d3rang3d View Post

The last straw for me is the lack of Win8 support. By the time the announcement came out, I was just past the 30-day return so I figured I was screwed. While I hate to give M$ a win here, I don't really want to have to force myself back to Win7 just so I can utilize this $180 device. I'm not really excited about moving to the XBOX option either but, if I'm going to stick with Media Center as my HTPC, that's my only choice. The latest release of XBMC looks pretty cool. I don't have much experience with it but it might just be the solution I've been looking for since it supports LiveTV/PVR now. If it allows me to move off of WMC all together, that would be a huge bonus. :-)

Like Sammy2 and RickinRay, I'm a little confused why Windows 8 support is so important to you. I could see it being a problem in a year or two, but it seems like more of headache right now. I'm surprised that a lack of Windows 8 support would push someone over the edge.

For a desktop machine, I don't see why anyone would be interested in moving to Windows 8. So, it seems like a lack of Windows 8 support would only matter to someone that needs to buy a new machine for their WMC server. And even now its not that difficult to find machines being sold with Windows 7.
post #5367 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Have you timed this? One to two seconds is a long time actually. I notice a delay but it is miliseconds, not one, and definitely not two, seconds.

Sammy, I timed it last night and when doing either a skip back or a skip forward there is a 2- 2.5 second delay for audio to start. I started timing after the skip when the video starts.
post #5368 of 7721
It's odd how people are reporting different experiences with the same firmware. For me, I am definitely still seeing deinterlacing problems. I find it acceptable, but there is significant room for improvement.

I wonder if sometihng like this comes down to refresh rate or whether you're using your tv's smoothing/dejudder filter. I know my TV does absolutely jack as far as smoothing.
post #5369 of 7721
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Originally Posted by reggie14 View Post

Like Sammy2 and RickinRay, I'm a little confused why Windows 8 support is so important to you. I could see it being a problem in a year or two, but it seems like more of headache right now. I'm surprised that a lack of Windows 8 support would push someone over the edge.

For a desktop machine, I don't see why anyone would be interested in moving to Windows 8. So, it seems like a lack of Windows 8 support would only matter to someone that needs to buy a new machine for their WMC server. And even now its not that difficult to find machines being sold with Windows 7.


Maybe because it's a superior operating system to windows 7 with more features?? No one cares about what the win8 haters think.

If Win8 isn't so important, then why didn't Ceton release the Q? After all they could have just used win7 embedded instead :\
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Originally Posted by RockinRay View Post

+ 1 - I think Win8 will be just like ME and Vista. It will fade fast and Win9 will replace it.
There's no reason to assume that Win9 will magically add support back for extenders other than the XBOX, which is the obvious concern in buying the Echo. Buying an Echo basically forces one to stay with Win7 indefinitely. While that may be fine for the next few years or so, people are going to want/need to upgrade to a newer OS eventually and buying the Echo knowing full well that it will most likely never work with anything beyond Win7 should at least make people think twice about that purchase as the Echo ought to (otherwise) be a pretty useful box for more than just a few years.
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Win7 is solid and will be supported for years to come. If you think about Win8, how many corporations will adopt? Not many IMHO.
My company is just finally getting around to supporting Win7 (I've had to pull lots of strings up till recently to get Win7 on my work PC's so I can actually do my job...). But corporate support for new OS's is always slow and is pretty much irrelevant for a product like the Echo which will be used primarily at home where new OS's tend to be adopted more quickly.
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