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post #5551 of 7721
I haven't noticed any random reboots on my echo but I've made it a habit to always exit out of everything so that no instances of the guide or any other menus are open when going from one thing to another. I wonder if the reboots are from having to many things open in the background causing the echos memory to fill up and crash.
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The reality is that Comcast is still sending out low quality HD using the additional bandwidth for other services such as their own unlimited in network streaming service via the Xbox 360, VOIP, Home Alarm systems etc. all at increasing costs with additional fees and poor service. Since all t.v.s now require a STB, as of Jan 1, Comcast is now charging a rental fee on all boxes in addition to the package fee. The STB's are so bad, they are beyond comprehension. There is a reason Comcast is one the lowest rated and most complained about companies in America. Be careful what you wish for.

I second that. The FCC could help in one regard: Defining HD picture simply in terms of the number of pixels is ridiculous. Years ago when HD was new we saw what it really looked liked at shows, store demos etc. i.e. uncompresssed. It was jaw dropping. The the Comcasts come along and water it down with compression, but they can still market it as HD. To me, the FCC should allow, say a small % of compression and beyond that it has to be labeled MD (medium def) or something else. Imagine you ask your child to bring home some milk and he walks in with some stuff in a can . "See, Dad it, this is same stuff....says milk right on it."...only it's condensed of course (that's dairy speak for compression, right?). You would be pretty PO'ed if they could put that stuff in a milk bottle and sell it as regular milk, right? That's what's happening across the country right now in cable tv land.
post #5553 of 7721
It's all stupid games. TV is one big flustercuck.

The carriers should be crucified for messing with the signals. They should transport ALL signals completely unmolested. If the original signal is low bit rate then so be it, atleast the consumers know who to blame/pick/not watch. Right now, it is impossible to determine (at the consumer end) what an "original" TV channel signal looks like.
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Originally Posted by kapone View Post

It's all stupid games. TV is one big flustercuck.

The carriers should be crucified for messing with the signals. They should transport ALL signals completely unmolested. If the original signal is low bit rate then so be it, atleast the consumers know who to blame/pick/not watch. Right now, it is impossible to determine (at the consumer end) what an "original" TV channel signal looks like.

I'm looking at moving house in the next 6 months and am concerned that my investment in infinitv4 and dual echoes will be wasted if I can't get cable and am forced to get dish or directv or similar. Anyone know if there is a solution to that allows the use of wmc and echoes with satellite? Just now starting to get teh bugs ironed out of my setup - I'd hate to have to send it all back...
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I'm looking at moving house in the next 6 months and am concerned that my investment in infinitv4 and dual echoes will be wasted if I can't get cable and am forced to get dish or directv or similar. Anyone know if there is a solution to that allows the use of wmc and echoes with satellite? Just now starting to get teh bugs ironed out of my setup - I'd hate to have to send it all back...

There is but it isnt the most fun to set up, you have to use dvblink and either the hauppauge colossus or the hauppauge hd-pvr. One "tuner" per stream needed. It's kind of expensive, though i used it with cable prior to the ceton coming out and it worked pretty well.
post #5556 of 7721
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Originally Posted by dsurkin View Post

Earlier in the Echo's development, I read that some codec installations were breaking live TV and copy-protected recordings. Right now, live TV and recorded TV work pretty well for me. I'd like to start ripping some DVDs to my server, and access them through WMC and my two Echos. I do NOT want to do anything that will break what I already have.

I have read through the thread here and on The Green Button, and I see much advice, but much of it deals with prior versions of Echo firmware. I have not yet found a guide for recent firmware. Can anyone point me to one? Thanks.

if you are just doing DVD and not bluray you should use Video Redo to turn your discs into .wtv files. you will be able to fast forward and rewind and wont have to do a thing with codecs, since every dvd has mpeg2 video and ac3 audio, which are digital cable requirements built into wmc.
post #5557 of 7721
Is anyone using an HD-PVR with an Echo successfully? I've seen some people complaining about choppy playback, although that was a while ago. I don't know if any of the recent firmware updates fixed that. I have an HD-PVR, but its hooked up to my Sage server (and I'm not going to take it down to test it with my WMC server).

The HD-PVR works pretty well with my SageTV setup,but I kind it a little finicky. You need to have a set top box and an HD-PVR for however many simultaneous recordings you want to be able to do. Then you need to control the set top box automatically so that it changes channels on the STB when a recording starts, typically through IR blasting. The HD-PVR comes with an IR blaster, but you can only use on in your computer. So, if you want to control two STBs for two HD-PVRs, you need to come up with some other method for controlling the second STB. You can generally get it to work OK, but you'll run into problems every now and then. Sometimes it might mistune a channel, although that's perhaps less frequent than you might expect. I have more problems with the STB going to sleep, and then I'll have a handful of recordings the next day with just a black screen. There are typically ways to mitigate that problem, although I don't know of any foolproof ways.

Plus, that assumes the Echo is fixed to work with HD-PVR recordings.

Anyways, based on what the Echo can do today, I don't see much of a reason to go with an WMC+Echo system over a DishNetworks Hopper system. A big advantage for the Echo should have been being able to play back ripped content, but in reality the Echo doesn't appear much better at playing back ripped content than the Hopper boxes are.
post #5558 of 7721
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Originally Posted by reggie14 View Post

...but in reality the Echo doesn't appear much better at playing back ripped content than the Hopper boxes are.

Sincerely hoping that will change...
post #5559 of 7721
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Originally Posted by reggie14 View Post

Is anyone using an HD-PVR with an Echo successfully? I've seen some people complaining about choppy playback, although that was a while ago. I don't know if any of the recent firmware updates fixed that. I have an HD-PVR, but its hooked up to my Sage server (and I'm not going to take it down to test it with my WMC server). ...

Assuming there are differant PC's, Sage should be fine if shut down first. I was going to try this out at some point, I need to get USB passed into a Hyper-V enviroment first (already have solution). I ended up hosing my sage setup by adding the HD-PVR. Now all Hauppauge cards are seen by Sage as the same type. You just can't win. Just glad 7MC is up and running fine at this point.
post #5560 of 7721
I have to admit, this latest beta firmware is working very well for me. I am running in native mode, no lock ups, excellent picture. Very pleased....

Last night, the Super Bowl looked stellar! I should state that I only run OTA and I have two HDHomeRun units. OTA looks amazing!

Great work Ceton, very excited to see what is coming for these units.

For me, now it is very close to Sage performance. biggrin.gif
post #5561 of 7721
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Originally Posted by RockinRay View Post

I have to admit, this latest beta firmware is working very well for me. I am running in native mode, no lock ups, excellent picture. Very pleased....

Last night, the Super Bowl looked stellar! I should state that I only run OTA and I have two HDHomeRun units. OTA looks amazing!

Great work Ceton, very excited to see what is coming for these units.

For me, now it is very close to Sage performance. biggrin.gif

I don't have a Sage box but doesn't SageTV playback all ripped content whereas the echo still stumbles on it?
post #5562 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

I don't have a Sage box but doesn't SageTV playback all ripped content whereas the echo still stumbles on it?

To be honest, I do not know. I have only used Sage / WMC for OTA DVR - nothing else. We just buy the other content via iTunes, then it is always in the cloud for us... That works very well.

We have DirecTV and I am looking to dump them. I just need a very stable DVR solution then we will cut the cord! The Echo is getting us close to finally taking the plunge.
post #5563 of 7721
Pretty sure the iTunes cloud server isn't giving you full HD 1080p video or HD Audio on that content.
post #5564 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Pretty sure the iTunes cloud server isn't giving you full HD 1080p video or HD Audio on that content.

Agreed, but it is quite close. Hard to tell the difference. Both TV shows and movies look very good!

When the Echo has the new front end, I am in hopes that Netflix as well as Vudo will be there...
post #5565 of 7721
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Originally Posted by RockinRay View Post

Agreed, but it is quite close. Hard to tell the difference. Both TV shows and movies look very good!

When the Echo has the new front end, I am in hopes that Netflix as well as Vudo will be there...

You'd need every bit of an internet connection that is 30mbps to get close, higher if you want Blu-ray quality.
post #5566 of 7721
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You'd need every bit of an internet connection that is 30mbps to get close, higher if you want Blu-ray quality.

Apple seems to know how to do some compression that does a fairly good job. Mac Rumors had a very good thread going (with examples) a while back. The new Apple TV is capable of 1080p and it does look good...

One of these days I might consider putting up some sort of content server though as I know in the long run, that would be a better solution. But for now, I am cheap and I do not want to spend the money to build one nor the money on the power to drive one! Right now, I run about 52 watts when my WMC machine is running... And, I have it go back to sleep 10 min after we are finshed watching or recording a show. wink.gif
post #5567 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

I don't have a Sage box but doesn't SageTV playback all ripped content whereas the echo still stumbles on it?

Yes, you are correct. But I think OP was comparing viewing of OTA through HDHR.
post #5568 of 7721
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Originally Posted by pittsoccer33 View Post

if you are just doing DVD and not bluray you should use Video Redo to turn your discs into .wtv files. you will be able to fast forward and rewind and wont have to do a thing with codecs, since every dvd has mpeg2 video and ac3 audio, which are digital cable requirements built into wmc.

Or Auto Rip N Compress can do that as well and it integrates into WMC allowing you to either rip a disc that has been inserted or to just watch the movie. It is also free. A huge plus for me.
post #5569 of 7721
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Originally Posted by RockinRay View Post

Apple seems to know how to do some compression that does a fairly good job. Mac Rumors had a very good thread going (with examples) a while back. The new Apple TV is capable of 1080p and it does look good...

One of these days I might consider putting up some sort of content server though as I know in the long run, that would be a better solution. But for now, I am cheap and I do not want to spend the money to build one nor the money on the power to drive one! Right now, I run about 52 watts when my WMC machine is running... And, I have it go back to sleep 10 min after we are finshed watching or recording a show. wink.gif

ATV uses h.264 but is only about 8mbps versus Blu-ray's max of 40mbps. It is 60fps vs 24fps which means it is using a 3:2 pulldown scheme. It doesn't support HD Audio. Engadget's review was mixed saying some content looked fantastic while other content was full of dancing artifacts in the background.
post #5570 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

ATV uses h.264 but is only about 8mbps versus Blu-ray's max of 40mbps. It is 60fps vs 24fps which means it is using a 3:2 pulldown scheme. It doesn't support HD Audio. Engadget's review was mixed saying some content looked fantastic while other content was full of dancing artifacts in the background.

Yep - I agree with this. Some content does look better than others. But it is easy and works and the WAF is very high!

I must be getting old... cool.gif
post #5571 of 7721
mkv's work too but not on the echo yet. I guess apple makes some great stuff but I don't know as I don't have any iDevices.
post #5572 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Your TV's must have good receivers or their location is such that something is bouncing off the wall or ceiling and getting to it.

Turns out I was wrong. Most o the time, standing or sitting, sending a command to TV2 started up both TV's. (The loft has a slanted gabled ceiling) I found that the Harmony 880 was programmed with standard (factory) command for TV 2, but TV1 I had set up using a learned command. I just went back and had the 880 learn the command from Tv2's remote and now there are no conflicts. This is why TV1 never started up TV2, apparently: Net: Logitech's learned commands are different in their intensity, or so it seems, that the standard commands, at least for Sony TV's.
post #5573 of 7721
I see Ceton published a blog post on Friday, but its basically just a high-level FAQ for people new to WMC and extenders. I was really hoping to see another "State of the Echo" post by now. The last one (from December 18th) said to expect another blog post on the Echo after a few weeks. It would be nice to hear a little more about what's going on before the return period ends.
post #5574 of 7721
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Originally Posted by reggie14 View Post

... It would be nice to hear a little more about what's going on before the return period ends.

I am serisouly considering going back on my "I'm going to keep it" statement. There is just too much time between the "Release" and now with little to no real change on any of the important changes. I really thought by this time they would have extended play back working. Bu there is no sign of this in the future, let alone near future. It seems playback is enough of a challange. We'll have to see what the next week or so brings, or it's going to be returned. Right now it's unplugged for many reasons, not just playback.
post #5575 of 7721
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Originally Posted by skybolt View Post

There is just too much time between the "Release" and now with little to no real change on any of the important changes.

That's not entirely true. They did get TV working well enough that the Echo isn't a complete embarrassment.

I'm still surprised they went forward with the release knowing that playback of interlaced content was horribly broken.

But, like you, I was expecting much more progress by now.
post #5576 of 7721
It seems like Ceton makes some announcement or puts out some upgrade when their backs are against the wall. I have a couple more weeks before the Beta warranty runs out. So, I would expect some movement soon before my return is initiated.
post #5577 of 7721
After deciding to get an XBox and shelve the Echo for the time being, I also got an XBox 360 Media Remote. Nicer-looking than the Ceton remote, it has one incredible omission - a STOP button! I suppose to get a STOP button you should get the XBox 360 Media CENTER remote.

The only apparent workaround I can see is to hit fast forward 4 times until the recorded show reaches the end. So very lame.

Otherwise I haven't had problems with recorded TV playback on the XBox except for bad broadcasts. Maybe I'll test out the wireless capability now...

[Edit after testing wireless operation...]

It seems to work perfectly at a test distance of 15 feet. I couldn't detect any difference in speed compared to a wired connection. (I just unplugged at the router and rebooted the XBox, then entered my router password. Then it decided to do an update and that took quite a while...10 minutes or more.)

Assuming they get the Echo working satisfactorily, I will probably use that downstairs and put the XBox upstairs attached to a new TV. Or just buy another XBox if they have another sale. I should probably hold off to see what miracles the XBox 720 has in store for us.
Edited by Roginator - 2/5/13 at 7:31pm
post #5578 of 7721
The echo is probably dead unless Ceton has some sort of "Hail-Mary" update.

Also, it's wierd that that they don't even host their own product forums...
post #5579 of 7721
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Originally Posted by t-c View Post

The echo is probably dead unless Ceton has some sort of "Hail-Mary" update.

Also, it's wierd that that they don't even host their own product forums...

They will.. For me it works well as a multi-room DVR but I really want something more for the price.

It is probably cheaper to sponsor TGB than to have their own forum.
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Originally Posted by caeguy View Post

It seems like Ceton makes some announcement or puts out some upgrade when their backs are against the wall. I have a couple more weeks before the Beta warranty runs out. So, I would expect some movement soon before my return is initiated.

Android, maybe?
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