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post #6091 of 7721
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Originally Posted by xnappo View Post

I would guess it will have DLNA and DTCP-IP, and possibly the ability to record DTCP-IP streams. Cable and Sat are going to be moving to providing Home Media gateways, which is one box that provides cable modem, tuners capabilities and storage. I do not think that the new XBOX will have any ability to connect coax or using a cable card.

Yeah, that's a good point. I could imagine MS working with some cable/satellite companies so that it could be used as a sort of extender for their DVRs. I'd be awfully surprised if the Xbox itself recorded TV, but it might be able to play back recorded TV from the media gateway.
post #6092 of 7721
Right now for a mere $100 your Xbox will work with your Uverse DVR or you can rent an "extender" from at&t for $7/mo that is a power hog and quite large compared to the echo.

EDIT: I guess they no longer offer this because it didn't work well but it also required a gold memebership and a $35 installation charge.. not cheap.
Edited by Sammy2 - 2/21/13 at 6:12pm
post #6093 of 7721
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Originally Posted by reggie14 View Post

Yeah, that's a good point. I could imagine MS working with some cable/satellite companies so that it could be used as a sort of extender for their DVRs. I'd be awfully surprised if the Xbox itself recorded TV, but it might be able to play back recorded TV from the media gateway.

There has been talk of 2 Xbox consoles being released in 2013. Many are not using the hardcore gaming component, so Microsoft is hinting of an low cost XBOX TV unit that will be able to do everything but hardcore gaming. Microsoft is working on their own exclusive streaming content. They could create a Cloud based DVR solution like the new Boxee unit (Boxee charges $15 per month). The new unit is supposed to be an always on low powered device. Microsoft is also talking about producing all new interactive t.v. shows using the Xbox Kinect. I highly doubt that will include WMC Extender service in the Xbox t.v. Microsoft seems to be really focused on their own closed ecosystem box(s), and fees and want to dominate the living room. All I can see is companies focused on monthly fees, and additional fees for everything else. I guess I am paranoid, but I wouldn't trade WMC for any of this crap.
post #6094 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Roberyu View Post

I just bought an Echo, even with all of the complaining I see on the forums. All I want is a low-power device than can play my HDHomerun tuners with WMC...

As does a 4+ year old Linksys DMA2100 bought used on fleabay for around $100 less. That's the real problem here - if all you want is an extender that's fine, but we should be way past that now given the price of the Echo.
post #6095 of 7721
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Originally Posted by slowbiscuit View Post

As does a 4+ year old Linksys DMA2100 bought used on fleabay for around $100 less. That's the real problem here - if all you want is an extender that's fine, but we should be way past that now given the price of the Echo.

That's my problem with the Echo.... I can't see anything justifying the replacement of my DMA's as they are rock solid and do everything the Echo does. I REALLY want to upgrade but it just doesn't make sense for me at this point. If the Echo's end up doing more then my DMA's then I am all over it.

Greg
post #6096 of 7721
Does the DMA do wake on LAN? And if not, how do you handle that?
post #6097 of 7721
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

Does the DMA do wake on LAN? And if not, how do you handle that?

I don't think it does but that is not a feature I would use even if they did. The DMA's are low powered similar to the Echo (probably not as much though) so leaving them on all the time is not an issue.
post #6098 of 7721
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Originally Posted by McLuvin View Post

I don't think it does but that is not a feature I would use even if they did. The DMA's are low powered similar to the Echo (probably not as much though) so leaving them on all the time is not an issue.
I was more concerned about their ability to wake my PC, not the other way around. Xbox and Echo will do that, but I've read the DMA will not. My PC is always sleeping unless I'm watching or recording something. If I got a DMA and it did send WOL, I would have to first wake my PC with my iPhone, which is an extra step I'd rather not have to take. That's really the only thing that's kept me from getting a DMA.
post #6099 of 7721
I am interested in the echo but I am trying to sort through all of the info about it. Can I get some clarification on some points?

1. Does it support MKV playback support? If not, will it?

2. Is it "snappy" enough or does it lag alot.

3. Over all WAF?

4. Can I playback all recorded TV content? (no DRM issues?)

5. Overall, does it work as it should or are alot of people finding it "buggy" still?

Thanks, I have never used an extender but would really like to. In fact, I was seriously considering going with a whole house DVR system with the cable company (which makes me sick to my stomach) until lI read more about the echo.

My HTPC is working very well with the InfiniTV in it and I would love the same interface in the other rooms. I am just a little bummed because I dont think it supports MKV. I have been ripping using MKV for a while now and cant imagine remuxing... Although if I went with the cable co's DVR system I still wouldnt have my movies...
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

I was more concerned about their ability to wake my PC, not the other way around. Xbox and Echo will do that, but I've read the DMA will not. My PC is always sleeping unless I'm watching or recording something. If I got a DMA and it did send WOL, I would have to first wake my PC with my iPhone, which is an extra step I'd rather not have to take. That's really the only thing that's kept me from getting a DMA.

Ah, ok... yes, I misunderstood then. I leave my HTPC on all the time so it still wouldn't benefit me.
post #6101 of 7721
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Originally Posted by doozer12 View Post

I am interested in the echo but I am trying to sort through all of the info about it. Can I get some clarification on some points?

1. Does it support MKV playback support? If not, will it?

2. Is it "snappy" enough or does it lag alot.

3. Over all WAF?

4. Can I playback all recorded TV content? (no DRM issues?)

5. Overall, does it work as it should or are alot of people finding it "buggy" still?

Thanks, I have never used an extender but would really like to. In fact, I was seriously considering going with a whole house DVR system with the cable company (which makes me sick to my stomach) until lI read more about the echo.

My HTPC is working very well with the InfiniTV in it and I would love the same interface in the other rooms. I am just a little bummed because I dont think it supports MKV. I have been ripping using MKV for a while now and cant imagine remuxing... Although if I went with the cable co's DVR system I still wouldnt have my movies...

My opinions:

1a. Kinda sorta. Less than my XBOX360. In general I don't bother trying anymore.
1b. Maybe. Earlier there were comments about Android that could potentially help. Ceton has not been clear on this.
2. It is snappier than the XBOX360 in MB for me. Interface is about the same. There are some graphic errors in MB though
3. Low. Movies, even AVIs that play fine on XBOX do not play. It crashes some times. My wife will only use the XBOX now. Calls the Ceton 'Satan'.
4. No issues playing it, though some channels have jitteryness compared to XBOX
5. It is very close to being as good as a Linksys extender. It is fairly close to being as good as an XBOX. It is pretty far away from being an all-in-one box for WMC recorded content plus local media.

Ceton has gone dead quiet on their plans. I personally am going to put in for a return today. It just isn't worth $160 for what it does right now. If Ceton was being more transparent with their plans, I would reconsider, but I don't have the patience for the silence.

xnappo
Edited by xnappo - 2/22/13 at 11:58am
post #6102 of 7721
Thanks for your honest input. I hope some others will chime in also. I may just go ahead and try it out for our bedroom TV as the cost isnt much. Although I will have to run cat5 to my bedroom from the living room. Unless there is a reliable way to run it through the existing cable line for a test period.
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Originally Posted by doozer12 View Post

Thanks for your honest input. I hope some others will chime in also. I may just go ahead and try it out for our bedroom TV as the cost isnt much. Although I will have to run cat5 to my bedroom from the living room. Unless there is a reliable way to run it through the existing cable line for a test period.
For testing purposes, you could just go with a long cat5/cat6 patch cable rather than running it through the walls. Just be careful not to trip over it smile.gif.
post #6104 of 7721
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

Does the DMA do wake on LAN? And if not, how do you handle that?

The DMA does not do WOL but if there is a router hack that enables it.
post #6105 of 7721
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

Does the DMA do wake on LAN? And if not, how do you handle that?
If you have a decent router with aftermarket firmware (DD-WRT or tomato) it's pretty easy to work around the DMA's lack of WOL with a script that sends it to the PC on behalf of the DMA when it sees it come up on the LAN. You can google this, it's been posted before.
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One other thing I forgot to ask... If Im watching live tv through the Echo, is it using one of the 4 tuners on the InfiniTV? Does one get dedicated to the echo upon initial setup?

Just want to make sure One person can watch live tv in one room and wont be affected by someone changing the channel on the main PC TV in the other room. Is the performance of the Echo affected by what the main HTPC is doing at the same time?
post #6107 of 7721
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Originally Posted by doozer12 View Post

One other thing I forgot to ask... If Im watching live tv through the Echo, is it using one of the 4 tuners on the InfiniTV? Does one get dedicated to the echo upon initial setup?

Just want to make sure One person can watch live tv in one room and wont be affected by someone changing the channel on the main PC TV in the other room. Is the performance of the Echo affected by what the main HTPC is doing at the same time?

Tuners are dynamically allocated and you won't be affected by other ppl using the same PC. What's even better that WMC automatically shares the same tuner between extenders and recordings or desktop WMC if they all tune to the same channel. If you or other ppl happen to tune to other channels a new tuner is allocated. You will only be deprived of your current tuner if all tuners are busy and a scheduled recording comes up. Recordings have priority over live TV watching.
post #6108 of 7721
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Originally Posted by doozer12 View Post

One other thing I forgot to ask... If Im watching live tv through the Echo, is it using one of the 4 tuners on the InfiniTV? Does one get dedicated to the echo upon initial setup?


Just want to make sure One person can watch live tv in one room and wont be affected by someone changing the channel on the main PC TV in the other room. Is the performance of the Echo affected by what the main HTPC is doing at the same time?

You are an independent user for the most part on the Extender. You would only notice a performance issue if you have the HTPC CPU buried i.e. playing hardcore games or encoding.
post #6109 of 7721
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Originally Posted by khubo View Post

The DMA does not do WOL but if there is a router hack that enables it.
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Originally Posted by slowbiscuit View Post

If you have a decent router with aftermarket firmware (DD-WRT or tomato) it's pretty easy to work around the DMA's lack of WOL with a script that sends it to the PC on behalf of the DMA when it sees it come up on the LAN. You can google this, it's been posted before.
Thanks to you both. I've used DD-WRT in the past on other routers. It won't work with my current one. Good to know there is some kind of workaround out there. Looks like the best option for me at the moment is to keep my Xboxes.
post #6110 of 7721
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Originally Posted by doozer12 View Post

Thanks for your honest input. I hope some others will chime in also. ...

Yeah, what he said ... I sent mine back for chronic freezeing and pixelation. PQ was ok, the color space is still off.
post #6111 of 7721
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Originally Posted by reggie14 View Post

... I could imagine MS working with some cable/satellite companies so that it could be used as a sort of extender for their DVRs. ...

We're talking about MS right? They don't work with anyone, everyone else has to work with them. I mean it would be nice to think MS would do something like that though.
post #6112 of 7721
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Originally Posted by skybolt View Post

We're talking about MS right? They don't work with anyone, everyone else has to work with them. I mean it would be nice to think MS would do something like that though.

No, in this case, the cable/satellite companies actually have way more power. Apple, Google, and Microsoft have all tried to provide the sort of a-la-cart solution to TV that so many of us want, but the media companies are beholden to the current providers due to the convoluted structure that exists whereby completely unprofitable "networks" get big paychecks cut for them by being bundled with more profitable "networks". I use the term network in quotations because, quite frankly, half the channels we are paying for just show repeats of programming that showed up on another network. So, yeah, Microsoft will have to make nice with the networks here.

I honestly think the whole concept of networks/channels will have to go away before we see the power shift away from cable and satellite providers.
post #6113 of 7721
New State of The Echo:

http://cetoncorp.com/blog/state_of_echo_3/

I'd like to see an Extender built into a Roku box myself! I plan on cutting the cable and using OTA with my Roku for primary viewing.
post #6114 of 7721
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Originally Posted by xnappo View Post

My opinions:

1a. Kinda sorta. Less than my XBOX360. In general I don't bother trying anymore.
1b. Maybe. Earlier there were comments about Android that could potentially help. Ceton has not been clear on this.
2. It is snappier than the XBOX360 in MB for me. Interface is about the same. There are some graphic errors in MB though
3. Low. Movies, even AVIs that play fine on XBOX do not play. It crashes some times. My wife will only use the XBOX now. Calls the Ceton 'Satan'.
4. No issues playing it, though some channels have jitteryness compared to XBOX
5. It is very close to being as good as a Linksys extender. It is fairly close to being as good as an XBOX. It is pretty far away from being an all-in-one box for WMC recorded content plus local media.

Ceton has gone dead quiet on their plans. I personally am going to put in for a return today. It just isn't worth $160 for what it does right now. If Ceton was being more transparent with their plans, I would reconsider, but I don't have the patience for the silence.

xnappo

Thanks for honest review/opinion.
post #6115 of 7721
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Originally Posted by doozer12 View Post

Thanks for your honest input. I hope some others will chime in also. I may just go ahead and try it out for our bedroom TV as the cost isnt much. Although I will have to run cat5 to my bedroom from the living room. Unless there is a reliable way to run it through the existing cable line for a test period.

Mine is connected using a coax MoCA adapter & it works just as well as my Xbox with cat5. I've had no problems with the echo used solely as WMC extender for live & recorded TV. Ripped content is hit & miss -- mostly miss.
post #6116 of 7721
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Originally Posted by BenJF3 View Post

New State of The Echo:

http://cetoncorp.com/blog/state_of_echo_3/

I'd like to see an Extender built into a Roku box myself! I plan on cutting the cable and using OTA with my Roku for primary viewing.

Do I see netflix in echo? see last image ceton watch from "recorded TV", NetFlix
post #6117 of 7721
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Originally Posted by mcturkey View Post

I honestly think the whole concept of networks/channels will have to go away before we see the power shift away from cable and satellite providers.
It seems like that is starting to happen but is going to be a *very* slow process.
post #6118 of 7721
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Originally Posted by BenJF3 View Post

New State of The Echo:

http://cetoncorp.com/blog/state_of_echo_3/

I'd like to see an Extender built into a Roku box myself! I plan on cutting the cable and using OTA with my Roku for primary viewing.

That is a serious undertaking and was my hope (and probably everyone's) for what they were doing. Given the scope, I have to think it's still months away, but it looks incredible.
post #6119 of 7721
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Originally Posted by BenJF3 View Post

New State of The Echo:

http://cetoncorp.com/blog/state_of_echo_3/

I'd like to see an Extender built into a Roku box myself! I plan on cutting the cable and using OTA with my Roku for primary viewing.

Bad luck for those who already RMA's makes me glad I decided to keep my two. smile.gif

Thanks for the update Ceton, even if it is about a month late.
post #6120 of 7721
Well 'State of the Echo #3' will hold me off from returning the Echo.

I hope they pull it off! I honestly am shocked at the scope of the project! Much more than I expected.

xnappo
Edited by xnappo - 2/22/13 at 12:53pm
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