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post #6241 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Shark007 View Post

To assist those using my software for Extender playback, DO NOT install AC3Filter (or any Divx software). All required software is included. For Extender use, only one setting is required, enable the Divx MF splitter on the MKV TAB. Other functionality required by the Extender is tied to this one checkbox. My software is released in a Windows 7 version and a Windows 8 version. When Extenders are your playback focus, you must use the version that matches your operating system.

For those that need to know, I am working on supporting playback of FLV, MKV etc directly using DLNA (Play To...) - The xbox supports DLNA. At this time, testing is favorable and this functionality will be in my next release. (It is not included in today's release) This functionality will be enabled/disabled using the Windows Filetype Associations button on the Help TAB. The SUGGESTED settings will also enable this functionality.

Here's to hoping the Echo will support DLNA functionality also.

DLNA FACTS: Windows 7 restricts DLNA to Media Foundation components
Windows 8 allows DirectShow filters during DLNA playback meaning the LAV filters get used.
DLNA does not support subtitles.

To enable this you need to have the box not checked because the box says "disable.."
post #6242 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Can you point me to the checkbox in question? I was sure this was what Shark007 was talking about.

In the SWAP tab of the settings app, there is a checkbox named "Disable Media Foundation". It will be checked if you use Suggested Settings in old versions.
post #6243 of 7721
Isn't that Windows MF?

Shark007 was talking about the DivX MF on the MKV tab, AFAIK.
post #6244 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Isn't that Windows MF?

Shark007 was talking about the DivX MF on the MKV tab, AFAIK.

Two different topics and somehow related.

Topic #1: use suggested settings button used to disable Windows Media Foundation.

Topic #2: use Divx MF codec for MKV support in Extenders as Shark007 suggested .Divx MF is a codec plugin for Windows Media Foundation unlike others.
post #6245 of 7721
The one thing I've always liked about shark007 is it appears to uninstall correctly and if I ever make a setting that appears to break WMC, and can't figure out what to switch back, I just uninstall and start over (at least this has always worked for me) as I know the "suggested" settings when one is using live TV always seems to work.
post #6246 of 7721
Now.. A year ago there were no "Suggested Settings" nor any guide on how to set it up. Now it is almost automatic unless you are doing some off the wall codecs.
post #6247 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

Two different topics and somehow related.

Topic #1: use suggested settings button used to disable Windows Media Foundation.

Topic #2: use Divx MF codec for MKV support in Extenders as Shark007 suggested .Divx MF is a codec plugin for Windows Media Foundation unlike others.

Okay. Got it..
post #6248 of 7721
So I am going onto hour # 24 of continuos tv playback to see if I can make this thing lock up. About every 4th hour I would change it to another channel. So far no hiccups. Quality still good.
post #6249 of 7721
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Originally Posted by slowbiscuit View Post

Installing shark's pack broke protected content playback on the PC, is that the issue you're describing? Copy-once channels, in other words.

If I recall correctly, the big issue I was having was bitstreaming HD audio on the local HTPC, and at the same time being able to decode DTS and HD audio for the extender. But I really didn't mean to push this so off topic. biggrin.gif
post #6250 of 7721
That is not off topic at all. Having the echo work well without breaking playback on the host HTPC is tantamount to success.
post #6251 of 7721
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Originally Posted by jhoff80 View Post

If I recall correctly, the big issue I was having was bitstreaming HD audio on the local HTPC, and at the same time being able to decode DTS and HD audio for the extender. But I really didn't mean to push this so off topic. biggrin.gif

I've heard people having issues with the Disable/Enable DivxMF option in the Shark007 MKV tab, but I've had absolutely no issues with that option unchecked (enabled - Shark really needs to rename this as it's backwards IMO, lol) and bitstreaming on the local PC with HD audio...also no issues with live tv playback. It may just come down to what cpu/mobo combo people are using?
post #6252 of 7721
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Originally Posted by tgrinch View Post

I've heard people having issues with the Disable/Enable DivxMF option in the Shark007 MKV tab, but I've had absolutely no issues with that option unchecked (enabled - Shark really needs to rename this as it's backwards IMO, lol) and bitstreaming on the local PC with HD audio...also no issues with live tv playback. It may just come down to what cpu/mobo combo people are using?

But is it really working? Does DTS work on your Echo? I also see no negative effect, but DTS doesn't work at all on my Echo either way.

xnappo
post #6253 of 7721
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Originally Posted by xnappo View Post

But is it really working? Does DTS work on your Echo? I also see no negative effect, but DTS doesn't work at all on my Echo either way.

xnappo

I've probably mentioned this a few times already in this thread and over at the Ceton beta forums, but to repeat - it all depends on definition of work. smile.gif

Does Echo decode non-HD DTS? - No...

Does non-HD DTS audio play on extenders (Echo/360/etc) connected directly to the TV in combination with a lower bitrate (<=15mbs/re-encoded) MKV? - Yes, audio/video play perfectly fine for me.

Does non-HD DTS audio play on extenders (Echo/360/etc) connected directly to the TV in combination with HBR (high bit rate) MKVs? - I haven't tested this yet - my library is more HBR w/HD audio now. I'd have to re-rip/remux the audio tracks to try, but haven't really been to keen on even trying b/c it's pointless b/c the Echo chokes on HBR video to begin with...

So DTS "working" is more/less an experiment IMO - but technically it does in some situations.
post #6254 of 7721
I have yet to playback any mkv that contains dts in any form on my echo.
post #6255 of 7721
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Originally Posted by tgrinch View Post

Shark really needs to rename this as it's backwards IMO, lol

as requested... it shall be done.
It will be renamed to 'Enable...' and will be unchecked by default so that checking the box, enables the splitter.
post #6256 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

I have yet to playback any mkv that contains dts in any form on my echo.

Yeah, me either... When I try it actually crashes my Echo.

xnappo
post #6257 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Shark007 View Post

as requested... it shall be done.
It will be renamed to 'Enable...' and will be unchecked by default so that checking the box, enables the splitter.

You rock Shark, thanks!! biggrin.gif
post #6258 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

That is not off topic at all. Having the echo work well without breaking playback on the host HTPC is tantamount to success.

Except I don't even have an Echo yet, I'm waiting to see how the Android stuff turns out. biggrin.gif
post #6259 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Shark007 View Post

as requested... it shall be done.
It will be renamed to 'Enable...' and will be unchecked by default so that checking the box, enables the splitter.

Now I will be all confused as I just figured that out now.. J/K.
post #6260 of 7721
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Originally Posted by tgrinch View Post

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Originally Posted by xnappo View Post

But is it really working? Does DTS work on your Echo? I also see no negative effect, but DTS doesn't work at all on my Echo either way.

xnappo

I've probably mentioned this a few times already in this thread and over at the Ceton beta forums, but to repeat - it all depends on definition of work. smile.gif

Does Echo decode non-HD DTS? - No...



Does non-HD DTS audio play on extenders (Echo/360/etc) connected directly to the TV in combination with HBR (high bit rate) MKVs? - I haven't tested this yet - my library is more HBR w/HD audio now. I'd have to re-rip/remux the audio tracks to try, but haven't really been to keen on even trying b/c it's pointless b/c the Echo chokes on HBR video to begin with...

So DTS "working" is more/less an experiment IMO - but technically it does in some situations.

how, better yet Any chance you could post one of the mediainfo details? I think we are all curious to understand "What the magic sauce eek.gif is". I have remuxed about 10 or so low bit rate MKV's + (non-HD) DTS and my echo crashes immediately.
post #6261 of 7721
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Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

I think we are all curious to understand "What the magic sauce eek.gif is". I have remuxed about 10 or so low bit rate MKV's + (non-HD) DTS and my echo crashes immediately.

The secret sauce is not to use H264 (avc) video.
All of my samples that play with DTS audio (on the xbox) contain either VC1 (a Microsoft format) or MPEG2 video.
EDIT: I was testing with Windows 8 /xbox360 - I don't have time to test with a Windows 7 machine right now.
Edited by Shark007 - 2/25/13 at 6:49pm
post #6262 of 7721
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Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

how, better yet Any chance you could post one of the mediainfo details? I think we are all curious to understand "What the magic sauce eek.gif is". I have remuxed about 10 or so low bit rate MKV's + (non-HD) DTS and my echo crashes immediately.

Here's the mkv w/DTS that plays on the Echo for me - I'm not advocating that this is full proof or anything, but what works for me (with Shark's wonderful codecs!):

General
Complete name : Ratatouille (2007).mkv
Format : Matroska
Format version : Version 2
File size : 6.29 GiB
Duration : 1h 50mn
Overall bit rate : 8 141 Kbps

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 5 frames
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration : 1h 50mn
Bit rate : 6 630 Kbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 802 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 2.40:1
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.180
Stream size : 5.00 GiB (79%)
Writing library : x264 core 114 r1913 5fd3dce
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=5 / deblock=1:-1:0 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=umh / subme=10 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=24 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=6 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=8 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=23 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=2pass / mbtree=0 / bitrate=6630 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / vbv_maxrate=32000 / vbv_bufsize=40000 / nal_hrd=none / ip_ratio=1.40 / pb_ratio=1.30 / aq=1:1.00 / zones=151468,158228,q=26,deblock=1:2
Default : Yes
Forced : No

Audio
ID : 2
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Codec ID : A_DTS
Duration : 1h 50mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 1 510 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 24 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 1.17 GiB (19%)
Language : English
Default : Yes
Forced : No
post #6263 of 7721
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Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

how, better yet Any chance you could post one of the mediainfo details? I think we are all curious to understand "What the magic sauce eek.gif is". I have remuxed about 10 or so low bit rate MKV's + (non-HD) DTS and my echo crashes immediately.

From what I've read and experienced, the magic sauce has a lot of ingredients

1) No high bitrate MKVs
2) No DTS audio*
3) No variable frame rate
4) Keep the RefFrames/B-Frames at 8 or lower.
5) And with some contenet you might need CBR video instead of CQ.

I have the BBC Planet Earth series, and no matter how I try to encode it with CQ settings, the Echo chokes on certain scenes. Even with "just" 720p. I've tried it in MKV, MP4 and MT2S containers. They have enough detail and panning to spike the bitrate into the "uh oh!" range.
With CBR settings it will play, but those same scenes look like crap.

*I haven't played around with Shark's codecs yet as everything had been very stable and happy on my Media Center and I didn't want to muck about with it, but after an SSD debacle I'm rebuilding and might look into it. That being said, my understanding is that videos with DTS audio will play, but not with DTS audio, it will be downmixed to stereo (please correct me if I'm wrong) but I'm still unclear if this will happen on just the extenders or on the host PC too. On an unrelated note, many many thanks to Shark007 for the hard work you've put into the codec pack. I do use it on all of my other PCs and laptops and it is a huge time saver on what used to be major headache.

All of the above is assuming H.264 video. I haven't tried MPEG-2 or VC-1 at all.
post #6264 of 7721
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Originally Posted by ajhieb View Post

*I haven't played around with Shark's codecs yet as everything had been very stable and happy on my Media Center and I didn't want to muck about with it, but after an SSD debacle I'm rebuilding and might look into it. That being said, my understanding is that videos with DTS audio will play, but not with DTS audio, it will be downmixed to stereo (please correct me if I'm wrong) but I'm still unclear if this will happen on just the extenders or on the host PC too. On an unrelated note, many many thanks to Shark007 for the hard work you've put into the codec pack. I do use it on all of my other PCs and laptops and it is a huge time saver on what used to be major headache.

All of the above is assuming H.264 video. I haven't tried MPEG-2 or VC-1 at all.

You are correct regarding DTS on extenders - it is downmixed to 2ch. However it is not downmixed on my HTPC - it bitstreams to my AVR just fine w/out any additional settings or changes in Sharks codec pack.
post #6265 of 7721
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Originally Posted by tgrinch View Post

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Originally Posted by ajhieb View Post

*I haven't played around with Shark's codecs yet as everything had been very stable and happy on my Media Center and I didn't want to muck about with it, but after an SSD debacle I'm rebuilding and might look into it. That being said, my understanding is that videos with DTS audio will play, but not with DTS audio, it will be downmixed to stereo (please correct me if I'm wrong) but I'm still unclear if this will happen on just the extenders or on the host PC too. On an unrelated note, many many thanks to Shark007 for the hard work you've put into the codec pack. I do use it on all of my other PCs and laptops and it is a huge time saver on what used to be major headache.

All of the above is assuming H.264 video. I haven't tried MPEG-2 or VC-1 at all.

You are correct regarding DTS on extenders - it is downmixed to 2ch. However it is not downmixed on my HTPC - it bitstreams to my AVR just fine w/out any additional settings or changes in Sharks codec pack.

So you use shark. I am not but maybe ill give it a go again. I am using just LAV.
post #6266 of 7721
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Originally Posted by tgrinch View Post

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Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

how, better yet Any chance you could post one of the mediainfo details? I think we are all curious to understand "What the magic sauce eek.gif is". I have remuxed about 10 or so low bit rate MKV's + (non-HD) DTS and my echo crashes immediately.

Here's the mkv w/DTS that plays on the Echo for me - I'm not advocating that this is full proof or anything, but what works for me (with Shark's wonderful codecs!):

General
Complete name : Ratatouille (2007).mkv
Format : Matroska
Format version : Version 2
File size : 6.29 GiB
Duration : 1h 50mn
Overall bit rate : 8 141 Kbps

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 5 frames
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration : 1h 50mn
Bit rate : 6 630 Kbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 802 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 2.40:1
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.180
Stream size : 5.00 GiB (79%)
Writing library : x264 core 114 r1913 5fd3dce
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=5 / deblock=1:-1:0 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=umh / subme=10 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=24 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=6 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=8 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=23 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=2pass / mbtree=0 / bitrate=6630 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / vbv_maxrate=32000 / vbv_bufsize=40000 / nal_hrd=none / ip_ratio=1.40 / pb_ratio=1.30 / aq=1:1.00 / zones=151468,158228,q=26,deblock=1:2
Default : Yes
Forced : No

Audio
ID : 2
Format : DTS
Format/Info : Digital Theater Systems
Codec ID : A_DTS
Duration : 1h 50mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 1 510 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 24 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 1.17 GiB (19%)
Language : English
Default : Yes
Forced : No

Thanks!
post #6267 of 7721
No subtitles?

Pretty small file size. Is that compressed? Most of my Blu-ray rips are at least 4 times as big as that.
post #6268 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

No subtitles?

Pretty small file size. Is that compressed? Most of my Blu-ray rips are at least 4 times as big as that.

Sure - he said up front only low bitrate works. Thing is I have similar files that do not work... Hmm...
Edited by xnappo - 2/26/13 at 8:00am
post #6269 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

No subtitles?

Pretty small file size. Is that compressed? Most of my Blu-ray rips are at least 4 times as big as that.

Apparently, this is another one of those things where we are all different. I prefer high quality HD or DVD compressed rips and wouldn't even consider uncompressed rips on these smaller t.v.'s 40" and under. I would not want to deal with the huge files for storage, difficultly with simultaneous playback and playback devices to do so. The really large t.v.'s deserve full Blu-ray playback on a Blu-ray player to enjoy the full experience of sight and sound.

I hope Ceton can get Subtitles to work on the Echo via Android (XBMC works great) as part of the full media playback experience, it would be a big feather in their cap. My wife and I suspect many others suffer from some sort of hearing impairment.
post #6270 of 7721
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Originally Posted by Haba View Post

Apparently, this is another one of those things where we are all different. I prefer high quality HD or DVD compressed rips and wouldn't even consider uncompressed rips on these smaller t.v.'s 40" and under. I would not want to deal with the huge files for storage, difficultly with simultaneous playback and playback devices to do so. The really large t.v.'s deserve full Blu-ray playback on a Blu-ray player to enjoy the full experience of sight and sound.

I hope Ceton can get Subtitles to work on the Echo via Android (XBMC works great) as part of the full media playback experience, it would be a big feather in their cap. My wife and I suspect many others suffer from some sort of hearing impairment.

I prefer to not have compressed video at all and I have an older 40" LCD.. Sure wish I had the Benjamins for an upgrade right now though.

BTW, I have heard that VS Filter, the most popular subtitle renderer, possibly causes stability issues with extenders for some reason. Is there a way to disable VS Filter using Shark007 or other method so that I can test this hypothesis?
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